Hell has FROZEN OVER! And cyclocross stuff

On 12 Sep 2006 06:49:23 -0700, "jerry in vermont" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Ok, So its cross season and i just cant keep myself from posting any
longer. My aplogies to all the armchair drug test experts. Feel free
to kill file me.

First, HOLY [censored] you have to check this out. This is a major shift in
the balance of the universe. Has the dark side finally won the
ultimate battle? You be the judge:

http://rscyclocross.blogspot.com/

Dang baby, how hot is that?

Next topic - the state of US cross.

Ok, old news, but the nationals are still in december, same day as a
GVA trophy and a SP series race. Mr. Page cannot get decent contracts
without signing for the whole season. Every year its the same problem
trying to negotiate each race individually, etc. Considering its these
guys' living, its not a small problem for the elite. That and the
whole peaking totally out of sync with the euros, etc.

But anyway, that is all old news, its a tough issue, blah blah. You
know how i feel about it. So this year Page is not going to come back.
Just said the hell with it. The risk/reward ratio is just out of
wack.

Say what you want about his motives or whatever, that is the deal. Its
a shame cause it takes away from the jersey and more importanly the
excitement of the event, and removes an important benchmark for the
good US based riders (and there are plenty). I think it harms the
development of the sport.

Ok, thats it. Go back to your regularly scheduled programming. T/E
ratios are scintillating...

J

Thanks for the update. And, agreed the scheduling stinks.

Ron

jerry in vermont said:

Ok, old news, but the nationals are still in december, same day as a
GVA trophy and a SP series race. Mr. Page cannot get decent contracts
without signing for the whole season. Every year its the same problem
trying to negotiate each race individually, etc. Considering its these
guys' living, its not a small problem for the elite. That and the
whole peaking totally out of sync with the euros, etc.

I have heard that the UCI has a plan to sync up all the national
championships in late December at some point. Does anyone know if
there's any truth to that?

Bret

Bret said:

jerry in vermont said:

Ok, old news, but the nationals are still in december, same day as a
GVA trophy and a SP series race. Mr. Page cannot get decent contracts
without signing for the whole season. Every year its the same problem
trying to negotiate each race individually, etc. Considering its these
guys' living, its not a small problem for the elite. That and the
whole peaking totally out of sync with the euros, etc.

I have heard that the UCI has a plan to sync up all the national
championships in late December at some point. Does anyone know if
there's any truth to that?

Bret

NEVER HAPPEN. I spoke casually with Peter V the UCI cross guy at
nationals while he was talking to Page about the whole thing, and he
kept suggesting that if the US didnt change dates, the UCI would not
award points for it. I dont see that happening, but its more likely
then europe moving dates to ours.

We take a step forward with getting a world cup here, and then a step
back keeping a contendor away from the big show.

That said, the transition between one really top US guy based in europe
and specializing in cross verses like the top 5 is a tough one. If 5
guys were on JP's schedule, Nationals would likely move to January.
Then again, if nats were in January, you would see more US guys in
Belgium to stay fit for it, and then realize there is money in it if
you are good and make a name for yourself, and then they might be able
to specialize in it like Page instead of their summer gig.

You could argue it all day.

My post was really about Richard Sachs going BLACK on the team kit.
Did no one get that?

jerry in vermont said:

Bret said:

jerry in vermont said:

Ok, old news, but the nationals are still in december, same day as a
GVA trophy and a SP series race. Mr. Page cannot get decent contracts
without signing for the whole season. Every year its the same problem
trying to negotiate each race individually, etc. Considering its these
guys' living, its not a small problem for the elite. That and the
whole peaking totally out of sync with the euros, etc.

I have heard that the UCI has a plan to sync up all the national
championships in late December at some point. Does anyone know if
there's any truth to that?

Bret

NEVER HAPPEN. I spoke casually with Peter V the UCI cross guy at
nationals while he was talking to Page about the whole thing, and he
kept suggesting that if the US didnt change dates, the UCI would not
award points for it. I dont see that happening, but its more likely
then europe moving dates to ours.

We take a step forward with getting a world cup here, and then a step
back keeping a contendor away from the big show.

That said, the transition between one really top US guy based in europe
and specializing in cross verses like the top 5 is a tough one. If 5
guys were on JP's schedule, Nationals would likely move to January.
Then again, if nats were in January, you would see more US guys in
Belgium to stay fit for it, and then realize there is money in it if
you are good and make a name for yourself, and then they might be able
to specialize in it like Page instead of their summer gig.

You could argue it all day.

My source is pretty well connected but maybe he was just talking about
a proposed plan. That and some other things mentioned made it sound
like the UCI is very serious about growing the sport over here.

Quoted message said:

My post was really about Richard Sachs going BLACK on the team kit.
Did no one get that?

If he starts painting the frames black you should really start worrying
about him.

Bret

Bret said:

jerry in vermont said:

Bret said:

jerry in vermont wrote:

> Ok, old news, but the nationals are still in december, same day as a
> GVA trophy and a SP series race. Mr. Page cannot get decent contracts
> without signing for the whole season. Every year its the same problem
> trying to negotiate each race individually, etc. Considering its these
> guys' living, its not a small problem for the elite. That and the
> whole peaking totally out of sync with the euros, etc.

I have heard that the UCI has a plan to sync up all the national
championships in late December at some point. Does anyone know if
there's any truth to that?

Bret

NEVER HAPPEN. I spoke casually with Peter V the UCI cross guy at
nationals while he was talking to Page about the whole thing, and he
kept suggesting that if the US didnt change dates, the UCI would not
award points for it. I dont see that happening, but its more likely
then europe moving dates to ours.

We take a step forward with getting a world cup here, and then a step
back keeping a contendor away from the big show.

That said, the transition between one really top US guy based in europe
and specializing in cross verses like the top 5 is a tough one. If 5
guys were on JP's schedule, Nationals would likely move to January.
Then again, if nats were in January, you would see more US guys in
Belgium to stay fit for it, and then realize there is money in it if
you are good and make a name for yourself, and then they might be able
to specialize in it like Page instead of their summer gig.

You could argue it all day.

My source is pretty well connected but maybe he was just talking about
a proposed plan. That and some other things mentioned made it sound
like the UCI is very serious about growing the sport over here.

Quoted message said:

My post was really about Richard Sachs going BLACK on the team kit.
Did no one get that?

If he starts painting the frames black you should really start worrying
about him.

Bret

Well, my conversation was either last year or the year before at CX
nats, so not too current. I will ask JP when I talk to him cause he
speaks with Peter pretty frequently and is probably landing in Belgium
in a couple hours.

ALL national cross championships will be on the third week in December
starting in the '07-'08 season.

It's too bad that Jon won't be coming back for nationals, but I
understand if it will affect his contracts for the season, then he
should stay in Europe. He's so close to sticking regularly with the
big boys; can't wait for that SP or WC podium. I know it's coming....

Alan

jerry in vermont said:

Bret said:

jerry in vermont said:

Bret wrote:
> jerry in vermont wrote:
>
> > Ok, old news, but the nationals are still in december, same day as a
> > GVA trophy and a SP series race. Mr. Page cannot get decent contracts
> > without signing for the whole season. Every year its the same problem
> > trying to negotiate each race individually, etc. Considering its these
> > guys' living, its not a small problem for the elite. That and the
> > whole peaking totally out of sync with the euros, etc.
>
> I have heard that the UCI has a plan to sync up all the national
> championships in late December at some point. Does anyone know if
> there's any truth to that?
>
> Bret

NEVER HAPPEN. I spoke casually with Peter V the UCI cross guy at
nationals while he was talking to Page about the whole thing, and he
kept suggesting that if the US didnt change dates, the UCI would not
award points for it. I dont see that happening, but its more likely
then europe moving dates to ours.

We take a step forward with getting a world cup here, and then a step
back keeping a contendor away from the big show.

That said, the transition between one really top US guy based in europe
and specializing in cross verses like the top 5 is a tough one. If 5
guys were on JP's schedule, Nationals would likely move to January.
Then again, if nats were in January, you would see more US guys in
Belgium to stay fit for it, and then realize there is money in it if
you are good and make a name for yourself, and then they might be able
to specialize in it like Page instead of their summer gig.

You could argue it all day.

My source is pretty well connected but maybe he was just talking about
a proposed plan. That and some other things mentioned made it sound
like the UCI is very serious about growing the sport over here.

Quoted message said:

My post was really about Richard Sachs going BLACK on the team kit.
Did no one get that?

If he starts painting the frames black you should really start worrying
about him.

Bret

Well, my conversation was either last year or the year before at CX
nats, so not too current. I will ask JP when I talk to him cause he
speaks with Peter pretty frequently and is probably landing in Belgium
in a couple hours.

alan_atwood said:

ALL national cross championships will be on the third week in December
starting in the '07-'08 season.

It's too bad that Jon won't be coming back for nationals, but I
understand if it will affect his contracts for the season, then he
should stay in Europe. He's so close to sticking regularly with the
big boys; can't wait for that SP or WC podium. I know it's coming....

SOURCE Alan? For real? I would be FLOORED. What is the rational?
Change the cycling world to better suit the americans??? Well, that
would be something indeed!

Lets hope that is the case.

J

Maybe everyone is tired of trying to get their kit clean. I wore red
shorts once and by mid-season you look as if you have a bad case of the
'runs'...looks sharp.

CH

jerry in vermont said:

Ok, So its cross season and i just cant keep myself from posting any
longer. My aplogies to all the armchair drug test experts. Feel free
to kill file me.

First, HOLY [censored] you have to check this out. This is a major shift in
the balance of the universe. Has the dark side finally won the
ultimate battle? You be the judge:

http://rscyclocross.blogspot.com/

Dang baby, how hot is that?

Quoted message said:

Maybe everyone is tired of trying to get their kit clean. I wore red
shorts once and by mid-season you look as if you have a bad case of the
'runs'...looks sharp.

yah the full red skinsuit could be overpowering. plus, the bikes are
red. Red on red, in retrospect, now looks heavy handed.

Black is timeless. That will look great in sepia (sp?) photos 😉

Quoted message said:

Maybe everyone is tired of trying to get their kit clean. I wore red
shorts once and by mid-season you look as if you have a bad case of the
'runs'...looks sharp.

I race cross in a white jersey and shorts side panel. The kit was
designed by some roadies in SoCal who apparently never even get caught
in the rain very often. The trick is to get them in the washer asap.

Bret

Bret said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe everyone is tired of trying to get their kit clean. I wore red
shorts once and by mid-season you look as if you have a bad case of the
'runs'...looks sharp.

I race cross in a white jersey and shorts side panel. The kit was
designed by some roadies in SoCal who apparently never even get caught
in the rain very often. The trick is to get them in the washer asap.

Bret

better then a white FRONT AND REAR panel...WTF. Look every one, its
the cross world champions weeney! My yes, it IS a cold rain....

Bret said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe everyone is tired of trying to get their kit clean. I wore red
shorts once and by mid-season you look as if you have a bad case of the
'runs'...looks sharp.

I race cross in a white jersey and shorts side panel. The kit was
designed by some roadies in SoCal who apparently never even get caught
in the rain very often. The trick is to get them in the washer asap.

It's these Socal guys, right?

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=photos/2003/dec03/celopacdec28/1Mens-40>

Ben
I race cyclocross in white shoes. And white tie and tails.

Quoted message said:

Bret said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe everyone is tired of trying to get their kit clean. I wore red
shorts once and by mid-season you look as if you have a bad case of the
'runs'...looks sharp.

I race cross in a white jersey and shorts side panel. The kit was
designed by some roadies in SoCal who apparently never even get caught
in the rain very often. The trick is to get them in the washer asap.

It's these Socal guys, right?

<http://www.cyclingnews.com/cross.php?id=photos/2003/dec03/celopacdec28/1Mens-40>

I wouldn't admit that if it was true. This is the muddiest shot I could
find:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?Q2A3552CD

BTW, that picture is from the site of the upcoming Nov 4 USGP race.
More pictures of the race site here:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?I3F3122CD

Quoted message said:

Ben
I race cyclocross in white shoes. And white tie and tails.

Halloween race?

Bret

On 09/13/2006 12:06 PM, in article
[email hidden], "jerry in vermont"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe everyone is tired of trying to get their kit clean. I wore red
shorts once and by mid-season you look as if you have a bad case of the
'runs'...looks sharp.

yah the full red skinsuit could be overpowering. plus, the bikes are
red. Red on red, in retrospect, now looks heavy handed.

Black is timeless. That will look great in sepia (sp?) photos 😉

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/11/3581/1600/cx-full-side.0.jpg

Hey ... That's my bike!

Seriously ... It's in my garage, right now.

--
Steven L. Sheffield
stevens at veloworks dot com
bellum pax est libertas servitus est ignoratio vis est
ess ay ell tea ell ay kay ee sea eye tee why you ti ay aitch
aitch tee tea pea colon [for word] slash [four ward] slash double-you
double-yew double-ewe dot flahute dot com [foreword] slash

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 09/13/2006 12:06 PM, in article
[email hidden], "jerry in vermont"

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Maybe everyone is tired of trying to get their kit clean. I wore red
shorts once and by mid-season you look as if you have a bad case of the
'runs'...looks sharp.

yah the full red skinsuit could be overpowering. plus, the bikes are
red. Red on red, in retrospect, now looks heavy handed.

Black is timeless. That will look great in sepia (sp?) photos 😉

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/11/3581/1600/cx-full-side.0.jpg

Hey ... That's my bike!

Seriously ... It's in my garage, right now.

I think that was one of the bikes he had at the Handmade Bike show in San Jose'
earlier this year. In which case, I've touched your bike!

--
tanx,
Howard

Never take a tenant with a monkey.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Steven L. Sheffield said:

On 09/13/2006 12:06 PM, in article
[email hidden], "jerry in vermont"

Quoted message said:

[email hidden] wrote:
> Maybe everyone is tired of trying to get their kit clean. I wore red
> shorts once and by mid-season you look as if you have a bad case of the
> 'runs'...looks sharp.
>
yah the full red skinsuit could be overpowering. plus, the bikes are
red. Red on red, in retrospect, now looks heavy handed.

Black is timeless. That will look great in sepia (sp?) photos 😉

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/11/3581/1600/cx-full-side.0.jpg

Hey ... That's my bike!

Seriously ... It's in my garage, right now.

I think that was one of the bikes he had at the Handmade Bike show in San Jose'
earlier this year. In which case, I've touched your bike!

That's weird. Although not as weird as Lafferty meeting Kunich's
ex-wife. That's weird and spooky.

Bob Schwartz