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  1. Hi everyone,

    Sorry, this is the third time I'm sending this, if you got it each time I apologize but they aren't
    showing up for me. I seem to be having trouble with OE.

    I'm wondering--at Curves they have a board with target heart rate on it. For my age my target rate
    is 22-25 while working out. This morning because of the snow I did Sweatin to the Oldies 2 and when
    we did our heart rate for the first time my rate was 28--higher than it would be at Curves. I
    skipped the next song and brought my heart rate down to 22-25 and was able to keep it there the rest
    of the tape. The question--should my heart rate have been that high since I'm doing aerobics or do I
    need to "tone it down" when doing a tape? Any help would be appreciated!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

  2. I'm not an expert in this field, so would be thrilled to see others jump in and correct me if I'm
    wrong ... I am going totally from memory. In order to have the best results in burning fat as well
    as conditioning, you need to be within a specified target heart rate. If you go over that, I believe
    you no longer burn fat - might be burning muscle but don't quote me on that. When I had that same
    problem in the past, I was told to lower arms and try to tone the level down in order to bring my
    heartrate back into the target range.

    I sure hope someone else jumps in here. <grin>

    Joyce

    Janice Kennish said:

    Hi everyone,

    Sorry, this is the third time I'm sending this, if you got it each time I apologize but they aren't
    showing up for me. I seem to be having trouble with OE.

    I'm wondering--at Curves they have a board with target heart rate on it. For my age my target rate
    is 22-25 while working out. This morning because of the snow I did Sweatin to the Oldies 2 and when
    we did our heart rate for the first time my rate was 28--higher than it would be at Curves. I
    skipped the next song and brought my heart rate down to 22-25 and was able to keep it there the
    rest of the tape. The question--should my heart rate have been that high since I'm doing aerobics
    or do I need to "tone it down" when doing a tape? Any help would be appreciated!!

  3. This makes sense Joyce!! Now what I'm wondering is if there is a difference between the target heart
    rate when you focus on weight training (Curves) compared to aerobic exercise (RS tape)?

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not an expert in this field, so would be thrilled to see others jump


    in and

    Quoted message said:

    correct me if I'm wrong ... I am going totally from memory. In order to


    have the

    Quoted message said:

    best results in burning fat as well as conditioning, you need to be within


    a

    Quoted message said:

    specified target heart rate. If you go over that, I believe you no longer


    burn

    Quoted message said:

    fat - might be burning muscle but don't quote me on that. When I had that


    same

    Quoted message said:

    problem in the past, I was told to lower arms and try to tone the level


    down in

    Quoted message said:

    order to bring my heartrate back into the target range.

    I sure hope someone else jumps in here. <grin>

    Joyce

    On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:58:59 GMT, "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,

    Sorry, this is the third time I'm sending this, if you got it each time I apologize but they
    aren't showing up for me. I seem to be having trouble with OE.

    I'm wondering--at Curves they have a board with target heart rate on it. For my age my target
    rate is 22-25 while working out. This morning


    because

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of the snow I did Sweatin to the Oldies 2 and when we did our heart rate


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the first time my rate was 28--higher than it would be at Curves. I


    skipped

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the next song and brought my heart rate down to 22-25 and was able to


    keep

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it there the rest of the tape. The question--should my heart rate have


    been

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that high since I'm doing aerobics or do I need to "tone it down" when


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a tape? Any help would be appreciated!!

  4. That makes sense. I was told to raise my arms above my heart to raise the heart rate. Maybe the
    movements of the Sweatin to the Oldies tape are such that they raise the heart rate too high.

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not an expert in this field, so would be thrilled to see others jump


    in and

    Quoted message said:

    correct me if I'm wrong ... I am going totally from memory. In order to


    have the

    Quoted message said:

    best results in burning fat as well as conditioning, you need to be within


    a

    Quoted message said:

    specified target heart rate. If you go over that, I believe you no longer


    burn

    Quoted message said:

    fat - might be burning muscle but don't quote me on that. When I had that


    same

    Quoted message said:

    problem in the past, I was told to lower arms and try to tone the level


    down in

    Quoted message said:

    order to bring my heartrate back into the target range.

    I sure hope someone else jumps in here. <grin>

    Joyce

    On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:58:59 GMT, "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,

    Sorry, this is the third time I'm sending this, if you got it each time I apologize but they
    aren't showing up for me. I seem to be having trouble with OE.

    I'm wondering--at Curves they have a board with target heart rate on it. For my age my target
    rate is 22-25 while working out. This morning


    because

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of the snow I did Sweatin to the Oldies 2 and when we did our heart rate


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the first time my rate was 28--higher than it would be at Curves. I


    skipped

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the next song and brought my heart rate down to 22-25 and was able to


    keep

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it there the rest of the tape. The question--should my heart rate have


    been

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that high since I'm doing aerobics or do I need to "tone it down" when


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a tape? Any help would be appreciated!!

  5. Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I don't think weight lifting increases
    your heart rate significantly - not enough to be considered aerobic exercise anyway. That's why many
    people have stated that we have to be extremely careful when figuring and adding those activity
    points earned through weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but doesn't really
    increase that heart rate.

    I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm going to guess that they are
    going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If it was strictly weight focused, I don't see the
    need for worrying about heart rate.

    I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have the same *estimating*
    formula. None say anything about heartrates and weight training though - all refer to
    aerobics. dummies.comid 554.html

    Joyce

    Janice Kennish said:

    This makes sense Joyce!! Now what I'm wondering is if there is a difference between the target
    heart rate when you focus on weight training (Curves) compared to aerobic exercise (RS tape)?

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not an expert in this field, so would be thrilled to see others jump


    in and

    Quoted message said:

    correct me if I'm wrong ... I am going totally from memory. In order to


    have the

    Quoted message said:

    best results in burning fat as well as conditioning, you need to be within


    a

    Quoted message said:

    specified target heart rate. If you go over that, I believe you no longer


    burn

    Quoted message said:

    fat - might be burning muscle but don't quote me on that. When I had that


    same

    Quoted message said:

    problem in the past, I was told to lower arms and try to tone the level


    down in

    Quoted message said:

    order to bring my heartrate back into the target range.

    I sure hope someone else jumps in here. <grin>

    Joyce

    On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:58:59 GMT, "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Hi everyone,

    Sorry, this is the third time I'm sending this, if you got it each time I apologize but they
    aren't showing up for me. I seem to be having trouble with OE.

    I'm wondering--at Curves they have a board with target heart rate on it. For my age my target
    rate is 22-25 while working out. This morning


    because

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    of the snow I did Sweatin to the Oldies 2 and when we did our heart rate


    for

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the first time my rate was 28--higher than it would be at Curves. I


    skipped

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    the next song and brought my heart rate down to 22-25 and was able to


    keep

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    it there the rest of the tape. The question--should my heart rate have


    been

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that high since I'm doing aerobics or do I need to "tone it down" when


    doing

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a tape? Any help would be appreciated!!

  6. Curves is a combination of aerobics and weight training and they do want you to raise your heart
    rate although they want us to work hard enough that working on the machines raises it more than the
    platforms. I'm going to assume that the target rate at Curves is what I'm shooting for and tone it
    down with the tapes!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I don't think


    weight

    Quoted message said:

    lifting increases your heart rate significantly - not enough to be


    considered

    Quoted message said:

    aerobic exercise anyway. That's why many people have stated that we have


    to be

    Quoted message said:

    extremely careful when figuring and adding those activity points earned


    through

    Quoted message said:

    weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but doesn't really


    increase

    Quoted message said:

    that heart rate.

    I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm going


    to guess

    Quoted message said:

    that they are going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If it was


    strictly

    Quoted message said:

    weight focused, I don't see the need for worrying about heart rate.

    I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have the same *estimating* formula.
    None say anything about heartrates and weight


    training

    Quoted message said:

    though - all refer to aerobics. dummies.comid 554.html

    Joyce

    On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:12:49 GMT, "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    This makes sense Joyce!! Now what I'm wondering is if there is a


    difference

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    between the target heart rate when you focus on weight training (Curves) compared to aerobic
    exercise (RS tape)?

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm not an expert in this field, so would be thrilled to see others


    jump

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in and

    Quoted message said:

    correct me if I'm wrong ... I am going totally from memory. In order


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have the

    Quoted message said:

    best results in burning fat as well as conditioning, you need to be


    within

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a

    Quoted message said:

    specified target heart rate. If you go over that, I believe you no


    longer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    burn

    Quoted message said:

    fat - might be burning muscle but don't quote me on that. When I had


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    same

    Quoted message said:

    problem in the past, I was told to lower arms and try to tone the level


    down in

    Quoted message said:

    order to bring my heartrate back into the target range.

    I sure hope someone else jumps in here. <grin>

    Joyce

    On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:58:59 GMT, "Janice Kennish"


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    >Hi everyone,
    >
    >Sorry, this is the third time I'm sending this, if you got it each


    time I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >apologize but they aren't showing up for me. I seem to be having


    trouble

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >with OE.
    >
    >I'm wondering--at Curves they have a board with target heart rate on


    it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >For my age my target rate is 22-25 while working out. This morning


    because

    Quoted message said:

    >of the snow I did Sweatin to the Oldies 2 and when we did our heart


    rate

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for

    Quoted message said:

    >the first time my rate was 28--higher than it would be at Curves. I


    skipped

    Quoted message said:

    >the next song and brought my heart rate down to 22-25 and was able to


    keep

    Quoted message said:

    >it there the rest of the tape. The question--should my heart rate


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    been

    Quoted message said:

    >that high since I'm doing aerobics or do I need to "tone it down" when


    doing

    Quoted message said:

    >a tape? Any help would be appreciated!!

  7. Joyce said:

    Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I don't think weight lifting increases
    your heart rate significantly - not enough to be considered aerobic exercise anyway. That's why
    many people have stated that we have to be extremely careful when figuring and adding those
    activity points earned through weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but doesn't
    really increase that heart rate.

    I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm going to guess that they are
    going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If it was strictly weight focused, I don't see the
    need for worrying about heart rate.

    I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have the same *estimating*
    formula. None say anything about heartrates and weight training though - all refer to
    aerobics. dummies.comid 554.html

    I think you'll find that Weight training does raise the heart rate ! It certainly does for me. A 40
    minutes workout cerainly has my heart going, though not all the time.

    I think the problem is that terms are being mixed up. Weight training isn't aerobic but it does help
    cardio fitness. Running on a treadmill is aerobic and also cardio. Aerobic is not the same as cardio
    though the terms are often used to mean the same thing.

    You have to be careful with WT because the amount of calories expended at the time is quite small.
    But if it's done properly, and you are growing because of the WT then there is a much longer term
    expenditure of calories. It's probably not wise to rely on this longer term expenditure, and think
    of it as a bonus. Interestingly high intensity Interval training (HIIT) has a similar effect
    apparently. This is where you sprint for 30 seconds, then walk for 90, then sprint for 30 and so on.
    I assume it's the mixture of aerobic and anaerobic activity that makes it work.

    Ray
    --
    rmnsuk overall - 273/209/182

  8. Again, I'm going to make some assumptions here. Curves suggests a heart rate of
    22-25 ... I assume that is a six-second reading, calculating out to 132-150 beats
    per minute. From the little bit of what I found on google, that appears to be a
    pretty safe assumption <G> for aerobic workouts. So am also assuming this is what
    curves is aiming for ... aerobic workout efforts. Considering that, I would also
    say tone down what you are doing with the tapes at home, you are probably out of
    the aerobic stage (I think they call higher *anaerboic stage*). I found this
    website that explained what each *zone* accomplished a bit better:
    brianmac.demon.co.ukhrm1.htm

    Joyce

    Janice Kennish said:

    Curves is a combination of aerobics and weight training and they do want you to raise your heart
    rate although they want us to work hard enough that working on the machines raises it more than the
    platforms. I'm going to assume that the target rate at Curves is what I'm shooting for and tone it
    down with the tapes!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I don't think


    weight

    Quoted message said:

    lifting increases your heart rate significantly - not enough to be


    considered

    Quoted message said:

    aerobic exercise anyway. That's why many people have stated that we have


    to be

    Quoted message said:

    extremely careful when figuring and adding those activity points earned


    through

    Quoted message said:

    weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but doesn't really


    increase

    Quoted message said:

    that heart rate.

    I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm going


    to guess

    Quoted message said:

    that they are going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If it was


    strictly

    Quoted message said:

    weight focused, I don't see the need for worrying about heart rate.

    I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have the same *estimating* formula.
    None say anything about heartrates and weight


    training

    Quoted message said:

    though - all refer to aerobics. dummies.comid 554.html

    Joyce

    On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:12:49 GMT, "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    This makes sense Joyce!! Now what I'm wondering is if there is a


    difference

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    between the target heart rate when you focus on weight training (Curves) compared to aerobic
    exercise (RS tape)?

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    > I'm not an expert in this field, so would be thrilled to see others


    jump

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in and
    > correct me if I'm wrong ... I am going totally from memory. In order


    to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have the
    > best results in burning fat as well as conditioning, you need to be


    within

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    a
    > specified target heart rate. If you go over that, I believe you no


    longer

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    burn
    > fat - might be burning muscle but don't quote me on that. When I had


    that

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    same
    > problem in the past, I was told to lower arms and try to tone the level
    down in
    > order to bring my heartrate back into the target range.
    >
    > I sure hope someone else jumps in here. <grin>
    >
    > Joyce
    >
    > On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:58:59 GMT, "Janice Kennish"


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    wrote:
    >
    > >Hi everyone,
    > >
    > >Sorry, this is the third time I'm sending this, if you got it each


    time I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >apologize but they aren't showing up for me. I seem to be having


    trouble

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >with OE.
    > >
    > >I'm wondering--at Curves they have a board with target heart rate on


    it.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > >For my age my target rate is 22-25 while working out. This morning
    because
    > >of the snow I did Sweatin to the Oldies 2 and when we did our heart


    rate

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    for
    > >the first time my rate was 28--higher than it would be at Curves. I
    skipped
    > >the next song and brought my heart rate down to 22-25 and was able to
    keep
    > >it there the rest of the tape. The question--should my heart rate


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    been
    > >that high since I'm doing aerobics or do I need to "tone it down" when
    doing
    > >a tape? Any help would be appreciated!!

  9. Ray,

    Reading your post I'm interested to know--I realize building muscle helps burn fat over time, are
    you saying you have to do more than "weight training" to lose weight? Does that mean my adding
    aerobics 2 days a week to the Curves workout I already do should help? I know every bit of exercise
    helps but am I adding the right exercise? I don't know that I could do much more than aerobics but I
    don't want to do something that isn't going to be beneficial!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Joyce said:

    Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I don't


    think weight

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    lifting increases your heart rate significantly - not enough to be


    considered

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    aerobic exercise anyway. That's why many people have stated that we have


    to be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    extremely careful when figuring and adding those activity points earned


    through

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but doesn't really


    increase

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that heart rate.

    I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm going


    to guess

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that they are going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If it was


    strictly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    weight focused, I don't see the need for worrying about heart rate.

    I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have the same *estimating* formula.
    None say anything about heartrates and weight


    training

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    though - all refer to aerobics. dummies.comid 554.html

    I think you'll find that Weight training does raise the heart rate ! It certainly does for me. A
    40 minutes workout cerainly has my heart going, though not all the time.

    I think the problem is that terms are being mixed up. Weight training isn't aerobic but it does
    help cardio fitness. Running on a treadmill is aerobic and also cardio. Aerobic is not the same as
    cardio though the terms are often used to mean the same thing.

    You have to be careful with WT because the amount of calories expended at the time is quite small.
    But if it's done properly, and you are growing because of the WT then there is a much longer term
    expenditure of calories. It's probably not wise to rely on this longer term expenditure, and think
    of it as a bonus. Interestingly high intensity Interval training (HIIT) has a similar effect
    apparently. This is where you sprint for 30 seconds, then walk for 90, then sprint for 30 and so
    on. I assume it's the mixture of aerobic and anaerobic activity that makes it work.

    Ray
    --
    rmnsuk overall - 273/209/182

  10. Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in
    :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I'm going to make some assumptions here. Curves suggests a heart rate of 22-25 ... I assume
    that is a six-second reading, calculating out to 132-150 beats per minute. From the little bit of
    what I found on google, that appears to be a pretty safe assumption
    <G> for aerobic workouts. So am also assuming this is what curves is aiming for ... aerobic
    workout efforts. Considering that, I would also say tone down what you are doing with the
    tapes at home, you are probably out of the aerobic stage (I think they call higher *anaerboic
    stage*). I found this website that explained what each *zone* accomplished a bit better:
    brianmac.demon.co.ukhrm1.htm

    Joyce

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:11:57 GMT, "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    OK quick math primer, 6 seconds is 1/10th of a minute so a rat of 22-25 beats per 6 seconds is 220-
    250 per minute, definitely too high. I believe the 22-25 is for 10 seconds.

    --
    Started Weight Watchers together February 2002: Chris
    332.4/184.6/185 Lifetime since 12/13/03 Pat
    332.4/185/155 2002 combined loss 139 2003 combined loss 33.2 Total combined 172.2 lbs

  11. Thanks Joyce!! After reading the posts I see someone let you know that Curves does a 10 second
    count. I did tone down the aerobics today and kept to the 22-25 beats in 10 seconds!! Thanks for the
    website--I haven't gone yet but will check it out!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I'm going to make some assumptions here. Curves suggests a heart


    rate of

    Quoted message said:

    22-25 ... I assume that is a six-second reading, calculating out to


    132-150 beats

    Quoted message said:

    per minute. From the little bit of what I found on google, that appears


    to be a

    Quoted message said:

    pretty safe assumption <G> for aerobic workouts. So am also assuming this


    is what

    Quoted message said:

    curves is aiming for ... aerobic workout efforts. Considering that, I


    would also

    Quoted message said:

    say tone down what you are doing with the tapes at home, you are probably


    out of

    Quoted message said:

    the aerobic stage (I think they call higher *anaerboic stage*). I found


    this

    Quoted message said:

    website that explained what each *zone* accomplished a bit better:
    brianmac.demon.co.ukhrm1.htm

    Joyce

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:11:57 GMT, "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]>


    Quoted message said:


    Quoted message said:

    Curves is a combination of aerobics and weight training and they do want


    you

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    Quoted message said:

    to raise your heart rate although they want us to work hard enough that working on the machines
    raises it more than the platforms. I'm going to assume that the target rate at Curves is what I'm
    shooting for and tone


    it

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    Quoted message said:

    down with the tapes!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I don't


    think

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    weight

    Quoted message said:

    lifting increases your heart rate significantly - not enough to be


    considered

    Quoted message said:

    aerobic exercise anyway. That's why many people have stated that we


    have

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to be

    Quoted message said:

    extremely careful when figuring and adding those activity points earned


    through

    Quoted message said:

    weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but doesn't really


    increase

    Quoted message said:

    that heart rate.

    I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm


    going

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to guess

    Quoted message said:

    that they are going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If it


    was

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    strictly

    Quoted message said:

    weight focused, I don't see the need for worrying about heart rate.

    I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have the


    same

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *estimating* formula. None say anything about heartrates and weight


    training

    Quoted message said:

    though - all refer to aerobics. dummies.comid 554.html

    Joyce

    On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 22:12:49 GMT, "Janice Kennish"


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    >This makes sense Joyce!! Now what I'm wondering is if there is a


    difference

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    >between the target heart rate when you focus on weight training


    (Curves)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >compared to aerobic exercise (RS tape)?
    >
    >--
    >Janice
    >263/252/150 (maybe 130)
    >
    >
    >"Joyce" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...
    >> I'm not an expert in this field, so would be thrilled to see others


    jump

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    >in and
    >> correct me if I'm wrong ... I am going totally from memory. In


    order

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    Quoted message said:

    to

    Quoted message said:

    >have the
    >> best results in burning fat as well as conditioning, you need to be


    within

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    >a
    >> specified target heart rate. If you go over that, I believe you no


    longer

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    >burn
    >> fat - might be burning muscle but don't quote me on that. When I


    had

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    Quoted message said:

    that

    Quoted message said:

    >same
    >> problem in the past, I was told to lower arms and try to tone the


    level

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >down in
    >> order to bring my heartrate back into the target range.
    >>
    >> I sure hope someone else jumps in here. <grin>
    >>
    >> Joyce
    >>
    >> On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 20:58:59 GMT, "Janice Kennish"


    <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    >wrote:
    >>
    >> >Hi everyone,
    >> >
    >> >Sorry, this is the third time I'm sending this, if you got it each


    time I

    Quoted message said:

    >> >apologize but they aren't showing up for me. I seem to be having


    trouble

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    >> >with OE.
    >> >
    >> >I'm wondering--at Curves they have a board with target heart rate


    on

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    Quoted message said:

    it.

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    >> >For my age my target rate is 22-25 while working out. This morning
    >because
    >> >of the snow I did Sweatin to the Oldies 2 and when we did our heart


    rate

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    >for
    >> >the first time my rate was 28--higher than it would be at Curves.


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >skipped
    >> >the next song and brought my heart rate down to 22-25 and was able


    to

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    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >keep
    >> >it there the rest of the tape. The question--should my heart rate


    have

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    >been
    >> >that high since I'm doing aerobics or do I need to "tone it down"


    when

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >doing
    >> >a tape? Any help would be appreciated!!

  12. "Chris" <zysmith@@NOSPAMyahoo.com> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I'm going to make some assumptions here. Curves suggests a heart rate of 22-25 ... I
    assume that is a six-second reading, calculating out to 132-150 beats per minute. From the
    little bit of what I found on google, that appears to be a pretty safe assumption
    <G> for aerobic workouts. So am also assuming this is what curves is aiming for ... aerobic
    workout efforts. Considering that, I would also say tone down what you are doing with the
    tapes at home, you are probably out of the aerobic stage (I think they call higher
    *anaerboic stage*). I found this website that explained what each *zone* accomplished a bit
    better: brianmac.demon.co.ukhrm1.htm

    Joyce

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:11:57 GMT, "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    OK quick math primer, 6 seconds is 1/10th of a minute so a rat of 22-25 beats per 6 seconds is 220-
    250 per minute, definitely too high. I believe the 22-25 is for 10 seconds.


    Good catch Chris. At Curves we do 10 second counts.

  13. Chris zysmith@@NOSPAMyahoo.com said:

    Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote in :"]news:[email hidden]:

    Quoted message said:

    Again, I'm going to make some assumptions here. Curves suggests a heart rate of 22-25 ... I
    assume that is a six-second reading, calculating out to 132-150 beats per minute. From the little
    bit of what I found on google, that appears to be a pretty safe assumption
    <G> for aerobic workouts. So am also assuming this is what curves is aiming for ... aerobic
    workout efforts. Considering that, I would also say tone down what you are doing with the
    tapes at home, you are probably out of the aerobic stage (I think they call higher *anaerboic
    stage*). I found this website that explained what each *zone* accomplished a bit better:
    brianmac.demon.co.ukhrm1.htm

    Joyce

    On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 00:11:57 GMT, "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    OK quick math primer, 6 seconds is 1/10th of a minute so a rat of 22-25 beats per 6 seconds is 220-
    250 per minute, definitely too high. I believe the 22-25 is for 10 seconds.

    hehehe - thanks Chris. I think that's what I meant, 10 seconds. I multiplied the figures on the
    calculator by 6, which would be taking 10 second readings. Thanks for reposting correctly!

    Joyce

  14. ray miller said:
    Joyce said:

    Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I don't think weight lifting
    increases your heart rate significantly - not enough to be considered aerobic exercise anyway.
    That's why many people have stated that we have to be extremely careful when figuring and adding
    those activity points earned through weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but
    doesn't really increase that heart rate.

    I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm going to guess that they are
    going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If it was strictly weight focused, I don't see
    the need for worrying about heart rate.

    I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have the same *estimating* formula.
    None say anything about heartrates and weight training though - all refer to aerobics. dummies.comid
    554.html

    I think you'll find that Weight training does raise the heart rate ! It certainly does for me. A 40
    minutes workout cerainly has my heart going, though not all the time.

    I think the problem is that terms are being mixed up. Weight training isn't aerobic but it does
    help cardio fitness. Running on a treadmill is aerobic and also cardio. Aerobic is not the same as
    cardio though the terms are often used to mean the same thing.

    Thanks for the explanation. You are right, the terms are confusing and it seems that I am guilty of
    being one who also makes the assumption they are one and the same.

    Quoted message said:

    You have to be careful with WT because the amount of calories expended at the time is quite small.
    But if it's done properly, and you are growing because of the WT then there is a much longer term
    expenditure of calories. It's probably not wise to rely on this longer term expenditure, and think
    of it as a bonus.

    Ok, maybe that is more what I was thinking, but not conveying. It seems that many people will not
    count the activity points for WT - due to the expended calories being slight. BUT ... since the
    expenditure seems to carry for a longer period of time, should those AP's be taken anyway? Or is
    this just another one of those *listen to your body* things?

    Quoted message said:

    Interestingly high intensity Interval training (HIIT) has a similar effect apparently. This is
    where you sprint for 30 seconds, then walk for 90, then sprint for 30 and so on. I assume it's the
    mixture of aerobic and anaerobic activity that makes it work.

    I was reading something about this the other day, can't remember what magazine though. I did find it
    interesting, had thought it would be fairly easy to do on my treadmill ... if it didn't throw me off
    in the process. <G> This article didn't do the 30/90 second routine though, it was more like 1
    minute of running, 5 minutes of walking or something to that extent.

    Thanks for coming to the rescue of my ignorance. <G>

    Joyce

    Quoted message said:

    Ray

  15. Janice Kennish said:

    Ray,

    Reading your post I'm interested to know--I realize building muscle helps burn fat over time, are
    you saying you have to do more than "weight training" to lose weight? Does that mean my adding
    aerobics 2 days a week to the Curves workout I already do should help? I know every bit of exercise
    helps but am I adding the right exercise? I don't know that I could do much more than aerobics but
    I don't want to do something that isn't going to be beneficial!!!

    AIUI, and others should chip in with their ideas too, The only way to lose weight is to modify your
    diet. Eat less, exercise more. But if you lose weight you will lose both fat and lean mass. The idea
    is to lose slowly so that most of the loss is fat. Losing slowly also give you time to adjust to
    your new eating habits etc.

    Weight training will help to retain muscle mass, or for beginners you can even gain muscle mass,
    and it will also help burn fat. Aerobic activity (stationary bike, treadmill, rowing) is also
    good for losing fat. A 30 minute moderate workout is 200+ calories. A great idea is to combine WT
    and aerobics.

    Cardio is far more than an aid to weight loss though. Everyone should be more active regardless of
    what diet they eat. Any exercise where you break into a sweat is good. aerobics, curves, walking,
    shovelling snow.

    My cardio is generally the bike or the treadmill. I sometimes do interval training and sometimes
    just walk/bike reasonably fast for 30 minutes. I still shudder when I think that when I started I
    couldn't complete the six minute test on the bike!

    Ray
    --
    rmnsuk overall - 273/209/182

  16. Don't forget that the workout on the recovery pads is your aerobic exercise that you want to add to
    the mix. Just turn that up a notch and that should be a good start.

    "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%cpLb.1938$na.3393@attbi_s04...

    Quoted message said:

    Ray,

    Reading your post I'm interested to know--I realize building muscle helps burn fat over time, are
    you saying you have to do more than "weight training" to lose weight? Does that mean my adding
    aerobics 2 days a week to the Curves workout I already do should help? I know every bit of
    exercise helps but am I adding the right exercise? I don't know that I could do much more than
    aerobics but I don't want to do something that


    isn't

    Quoted message said:

    going to be beneficial!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Joyce said:

    Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I don't


    think weight

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    lifting increases your heart rate significantly - not enough to be


    considered

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    aerobic exercise anyway. That's why many people have stated that we


    have

    Quoted message said:

    to be

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    extremely careful when figuring and adding those activity points earned


    through

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but doesn't really


    increase

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that heart rate.

    I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm


    going

    Quoted message said:

    to guess

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    that they are going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If it


    was

    Quoted message said:

    strictly

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    weight focused, I don't see the need for worrying about heart rate.

    I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have the


    same

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    *estimating* formula. None say anything about heartrates and weight


    training

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    though - all refer to aerobics. dummies.comid 554.html

    I think you'll find that Weight training does raise the heart rate ! It certainly does for me. A
    40 minutes workout cerainly has my heart going, though not all the time.

    I think the problem is that terms are being mixed up. Weight training isn't aerobic but it does
    help cardio fitness. Running on a treadmill is aerobic and also cardio. Aerobic is not the same
    as cardio though the terms are often used to mean the same thing.

    You have to be careful with WT because the amount of calories expended at the time is quite
    small. But if it's done properly, and you are growing because of the WT then there is a much
    longer term expenditure of calories. It's probably not wise to rely on this longer term
    expenditure, and think of it as a bonus. Interestingly high intensity Interval training (HIIT)
    has a similar effect apparently. This is where you sprint for 30 seconds, then walk for 90, then
    sprint for 30 and so on. I assume it's the mixture of aerobic and anaerobic activity that makes
    it work.

    Ray
    --
    rmnsuk overall - 273/209/182

  17. Thanks Ray!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Janice Kennish said:

    Ray,

    Reading your post I'm interested to know--I realize building muscle helps burn fat over time, are
    you saying you have to do more than "weight training" to lose weight? Does that mean my adding
    aerobics 2 days a


    week

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the Curves workout I already do should help? I know every bit of exercise helps but am I
    adding the right exercise? I don't know that I could do much more than aerobics but I don't want
    to do something that


    isn't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    going to be beneficial!!!

    AIUI, and others should chip in with their ideas too, The only way to lose weight is to modify
    your diet. Eat less, exercise more. But if you lose weight you will lose both fat and lean mass.
    The idea is to lose slowly so that most of the loss is fat. Losing slowly also give you time to
    adjust to your new eating habits etc.

    Weight training will help to retain muscle mass, or for beginners you can even gain muscle mass,
    and it will also help burn fat. Aerobic activity (stationary bike, treadmill, rowing) is also good
    for losing fat. A 30 minute moderate workout is 200+ calories. A great idea is to combine WT and
    aerobics.

    Cardio is far more than an aid to weight loss though. Everyone should be more active regardless of
    what diet they eat. Any exercise where you break into a sweat is good. aerobics, curves, walking,
    shovelling snow.

    My cardio is generally the bike or the treadmill. I sometimes do interval training and sometimes
    just walk/bike reasonably fast for 30 minutes. I still shudder when I think that when I started I
    couldn't complete the six minute test on the bike!

    Ray
    --
    rmnsuk overall - 273/209/182

  18. I do that already. In fact our Curves tells us to do 90% of our workout on the machines and only 10%
    on the recovery boards. I do about 50/50 or less on the machines and more on the recovery boards--it
    seems to be working for me so far!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Laura" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:07IMb.8757$VS4.275901@bgtnsc04-
    news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

    Quoted message said:

    Don't forget that the workout on the recovery pads is your aerobic


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    that you want to add to the mix. Just turn that up a notch and that should be a good start.

    "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%cpLb.1938$na.3393@attbi_s04...

    Quoted message said:

    Ray,

    Reading your post I'm interested to know--I realize building muscle


    helps

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    burn fat over time, are you saying you have to do more than "weight training" to lose weight?
    Does that mean my adding aerobics 2 days a


    week

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the Curves workout I already do should help? I know every bit of exercise helps but am I
    adding the right exercise? I don't know that I could do much more than aerobics but I don't want
    to do something that


    isn't

    Quoted message said:

    going to be beneficial!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:27:47 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I don't


    think weight

    Quoted message said:

    >lifting increases your heart rate significantly - not enough to be


    considered

    Quoted message said:

    >aerobic exercise anyway. That's why many people have stated that we


    have

    Quoted message said:

    to be

    Quoted message said:

    >extremely careful when figuring and adding those activity points


    earned

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    through

    Quoted message said:

    >weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but doesn't


    really

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    increase

    Quoted message said:

    >that heart rate.
    >
    >I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm


    going

    Quoted message said:

    to guess

    Quoted message said:

    >that they are going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If it


    was

    Quoted message said:

    strictly

    Quoted message said:

    >weight focused, I don't see the need for worrying about heart rate.
    >
    >I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have the


    same

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    >*estimating* formula. None say anything about heartrates and weight


    training

    Quoted message said:

    >though - all refer to aerobics. dummies.comid 554.html

    I think you'll find that Weight training does raise the heart rate ! It certainly does for me.
    A 40 minutes workout cerainly has my heart going, though not all the time.

    I think the problem is that terms are being mixed up. Weight training isn't aerobic but it
    does help cardio fitness. Running on a treadmill is aerobic and also cardio. Aerobic is not
    the same as cardio though the terms are often used to mean the same thing.

    You have to be careful with WT because the amount of calories expended at the time is quite
    small. But if it's done properly, and you are growing because of the WT then there is a much
    longer term expenditure of calories. It's probably not wise to rely on this longer term
    expenditure, and think of it as a bonus. Interestingly high intensity Interval training (HIIT)
    has a similar effect apparently. This is where you sprint for 30 seconds, then walk for 90,
    then sprint for 30 and so on. I assume it's the mixture of aerobic and anaerobic activity that
    makes it work.

    Ray
    --
    rmnsuk overall - 273/209/182


  19. I'll have to ask them to day if that's what we should be doing as I don't recall them saying
    anything before.

    "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hlLMb.39148$sv6.114585@attbi_s52...

    Quoted message said:

    I do that already. In fact our Curves tells us to do 90% of our workout


    on

    Quoted message said:

    the machines and only 10% on the recovery boards. I do about 50/50 or


    less

    Quoted message said:

    on the machines and more on the recovery boards--it seems to be working


    for

    Quoted message said:

    me so far!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Laura" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:07IMb.8757$VS4.275901@bgtnsc04-
    news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

    Quoted message said:

    Don't forget that the workout on the recovery pads is your aerobic


    exercise

    Quoted message said:

    that you want to add to the mix. Just turn that up a notch and that


    should

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    be a good start.

    "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%cpLb.1938$na.3393@attbi_s04...

    Quoted message said:

    Ray,

    Reading your post I'm interested to know--I realize building muscle


    helps

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    burn fat over time, are you saying you have to do more than "weight training" to lose weight?
    Does that mean my adding aerobics 2 days a


    week

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    to the Curves workout I already do should help? I know every bit of exercise helps but am I
    adding the right exercise? I don't know that


    I

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    could do much more than aerobics but I don't want to do something that


    isn't

    Quoted message said:

    going to be beneficial!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...
    > On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:27:47 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
    >
    > >Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I


    don't

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    think weight
    > >lifting increases your heart rate significantly - not enough to be
    considered
    > >aerobic exercise anyway. That's why many people have stated that


    we

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    have

    Quoted message said:

    to be
    > >extremely careful when figuring and adding those activity points


    earned

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    through
    > >weight training. WT will build muscle and burn fat, but doesn't


    really

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    increase
    > >that heart rate.
    > >
    > >I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated, I'm


    going

    Quoted message said:

    to guess
    > >that they are going for a combination of aerobics and weights. If


    it

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    was

    Quoted message said:

    strictly
    > >weight focused, I don't see the need for worrying about heart rate.
    > >
    > >I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have


    the

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    same

    Quoted message said:

    > >*estimating* formula. None say anything about heartrates and


    weight

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    training
    > >though - all refer to aerobics. dummies.comid 554.html
    >
    > I think you'll find that Weight training does raise the heart rate ! It certainly does for
    > me. A 40 minutes workout cerainly has my heart going, though not all the time.
    >
    > I think the problem is that terms are being mixed up. Weight


    training

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > isn't aerobic but it does help cardio fitness. Running on a


    treadmill

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > is aerobic and also cardio. Aerobic is not the same as cardio though the terms are often
    > used to mean the same thing.
    >
    > You have to be careful with WT because the amount of calories


    expended

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > at the time is quite small. But if it's done properly, and you are growing because of the WT
    > then there is a much longer term


    expenditure

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > of calories. It's probably not wise to rely on this longer term expenditure, and think of it
    > as a bonus. Interestingly high intensity Interval training (HIIT) has a similar effect
    > apparently. This is where you sprint for 30 seconds, then


    walk

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > for 90, then sprint for 30 and so on. I assume it's the mixture of aerobic and anaerobic
    > activity that makes it work.
    >
    > Ray
    > --
    > rmnsuk overall - 273/209/182


  20. Let me know what they tell you!!!

    --
    Janice
    263/252/150 (maybe 130)

    "Laura" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:jobNb.34803$6y6.764291@bgtnsc05-
    news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

    Quoted message said:

    I'll have to ask them to day if that's what we should be doing as I don't recall them saying
    anything before.

    "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:hlLMb.39148$sv6.114585@attbi_s52...

    Quoted message said:

    I do that already. In fact our Curves tells us to do 90% of our workout


    on

    Quoted message said:

    the machines and only 10% on the recovery boards. I do about 50/50 or


    less

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    "Laura" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:07IMb.8757$VS4.275901@bgtnsc04-
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    Don't forget that the workout on the recovery pads is your aerobic


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    that you want to add to the mix. Just turn that up a notch and that


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    "Janice Kennish" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:%cpLb.1938$na.3393@attbi_s04...
    > Ray,
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    > Reading your post I'm interested to know--I realize building muscle


    helps

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    > burn fat over time, are you saying you have to do more than "weight training" to lose
    > weight? Does that mean my adding aerobics 2 days


    a

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    week

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    > to the Curves workout I already do should help? I know every bit of exercise helps but am I
    > adding the right exercise? I don't know


    that

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    I

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    > could do much more than aerobics but I don't want to do something


    that

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    > Janice
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    > "ray miller" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    > > On Wed, 07 Jan 2004 17:27:47 -0600, Joyce <[email hidden]> wrote:
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    > > >Again, I'm just making a very uneducated guess here <g>, but I


    don't

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    we

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    earned

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    > through
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    really

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    > > >I am not familiar with curves but from what others have stated,


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    > > >I found this by doing a search on google - many other sites have


    the

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    > > >*estimating* formula. None say anything about heartrates and


    weight

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    > > It certainly does for me. A 40 minutes workout cerainly has my


    heart

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    > > going, though not all the time.
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    > > I think the problem is that terms are being mixed up. Weight


    training

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    > > isn't aerobic but it does help cardio fitness. Running on a


    treadmill

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    > > is aerobic and also cardio. Aerobic is not the same as cardio


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    > > the terms are often used to mean the same thing.
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    > > You have to be careful with WT because the amount of calories


    expended

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    > > at the time is quite small. But if it's done properly, and you are growing because of the
    > > WT then there is a much longer term


    expenditure

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    > > of calories. It's probably not wise to rely on this longer term expenditure, and think of
    > > it as a bonus. Interestingly high intensity Interval training (HIIT) has a


    similar

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    > > effect apparently. This is where you sprint for 30 seconds, then


    walk

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    > > for 90, then sprint for 30 and so on. I assume it's the mixture of aerobic and anaerobic
    > > activity that makes it work.
    > >
    > > Ray
    > > --
    > > rmnsuk overall - 273/209/182
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