HEALTH THREAT!

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right to make these choices. CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (CA) is already law in
Australia, Canada and the European Union. CA makes it a crime to use,
buy, sell, reccomend or manufacture any natural substance at any but
ultra low doses (and only 18supplements TOTAL will be allowed even at
those sub-therapeutic doses).

This is only partly true. Codex Alimentarius IS law in europe, but it does
not make buying vitamins illegal - you can for instance still buy a 100grams
package of Vitamin C without prescription or any other problems at the
pharmacist.

One of these posts said something about vitamin C tablet sizes being
restricted to 400mg or less. Can you still buy 1 gram tablets of vitamin C
in Europe?

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right to make these choices. CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (CA) is already law in
Australia, Canada and the European Union. CA makes it a crime to use,
buy, sell, reccomend or manufacture any natural substance at any but
ultra low doses (and only 18supplements TOTAL will be allowed even at
those sub-therapeutic doses).

This is only partly true. Codex Alimentarius IS law in europe, but it does
not make buying vitamins illegal - you can for instance still buy a

100grams

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package of Vitamin C without prescription or any other problems at the
pharmacist.

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One of these posts said something about vitamin C tablet sizes being
restricted to 400mg or less. Can you still buy 1 gram tablets of vitamin
C
in Europe?

I don't know if they have a package where one tablet is exactly one gram.
...but what difference does it make when you take one tablet with one gram or
two tablets with 500 (or 400) mg?
[I think the post said 100mg or less though, which would be in the area of
the daily recommendations]

If you need to megadose you can buy Ascorbate in Powder form and take that.

Its not illegal in the EU (like the article said), thats the thing I
criticized.

What I wrote was that only ultra low doses of these 18 vitamins are
available. 100 mg of Vitamin C IS an ultra low dose. The unstressed,
non-toxic human being would, if it had not lost the ability to
manufacture Vitamin C somewhere in its evolutionary history, it is
estimated by Biochemists, make approximately 1500 mg (15 times the 100
mg dose currently available in the EU)on a daily basis. However, under
physical, emotional or toxicological stress, that need goes up,
sometimes 10 to 20 fold or more.
However, the most significant problem with the information you shared
is that CODEX is the law in Europe but its regulations are due to phase
in this summer. That sub-therapeutic dose is available now BEFORE CA
takes effect! bE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID.
Dr. Laibow

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right to make these choices. CODEX ALIMENTARIUS (CA) is already

law in

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Australia, Canada and the European Union. CA makes it a crime to

use,

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buy, sell, reccomend or manufacture any natural substance at any

but

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ultra low doses (and only 18supplements TOTAL will be allowed even

at

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those sub-therapeutic doses).

This is only partly true. Codex Alimentarius IS law in europe, but it

does

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not make buying vitamins illegal - you can for instance still buy a

100grams

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package of Vitamin C without prescription or any other problems at

the

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pharmacist.

Vitamin C will be restricted to the sub-therapeutic dose of 200 mg, not
400. You will need to take 5 tablets to get 1000 mg of Vitamin C.
Remember, the problem is that every nutrient will be impacted. Vitamin
C will still be allowed at these ineffective doses. The vast majority
of nutients will not even be legal at all, even with a physicians's
prescription. And CA has not yet gone into effect. The first phase is
due to take effect this summer.
Dr. Laibow

First, the facts. 1. Yes, it is illegal in the EU, Canada and
Australia to purchase any but the 18 nutrients at ultra-low doses that
I mentioned. The law has been passed. The law, called CODEX
ALIMENTARIUS, will be phased in in stages starting this summer so that
each of its provisions will take effect according to that time-table.
Thus, it is still possible to get supplments (and they are generally
pretty low dose already in Europe over the countrer) BUT as the CA
regulations are phased in they will become more and more restricted
until, within 2-3 years they will be completely unavailable.
2. If you have to purchase low dose nutrients and take lots of them to
get a higher dose effect you will be paying a LOT more money for the
same amount of active ingredient, taking lots more fillers, binders and
non-beneficial materials and swallowing more than most people's
stomach's want to hold. So if you want to take a gram of Vitamin C,
for example, you would need to take 5 tabs of 200 mg (the max
allowable dose) each time you want that gram.
3. If you are taking Vitamin C at the reccomended dose, for example, to
deal with swelling, pain or the approach of an infection, you might
need not 1 gram but 10. So you would need 50, not 5, tabs of ultra-low
dose vitamin C.
4. And we are not talking about Vitamin C here: we are talking about
ALL nutrients. Only 18 will be allowed. The rest will be forbidden,
just as heroine is forbidden.
Rima E. Laibow, MD

100 grams of Vitamin C is a sub-therapeutic dose. Only 18 nutrients
will be permitted. ALL others will be illegal. If I, as a physician,
tell you, as my patient, that you need 12 grams of Vitamin C, 25 mg of
zinc, 2000 mg of L-Carnitine, 800 IU of Vitamin E, 1300 mg of Evening
Primrose Oil and 500 mg of Vitamin B6 and half of those are
unavailable/illegal and the other half require you to take a total of
75 pills a day (at a horribly inflated cost) is your health freedom in
tact?
Let's try this again: CODEX ALIMENTARIUS makes natural health choices
unavailable. We must not let it pass here in the US.

The issue is NOT just vitamin C, folks. Vitamin C is an example. The
issue is that only 18 nutrients will be available in ulta-low doses.
The rest will be unavailable/illegal (like cocaine is
unavailable/illegal). That is what CODEX is bringing us.
Vitamin C may still be available in 1 gram tabs in Europe but CODEX
ALIMENTARIUS has not phased in yet. When it has, Vitamin C and all
other (permitted) nutritionals will be available only at ultra low
doses and all others will be illegal.
I know it is a hard concept to wrap your mind around but that is the
law and, unless we make sure it does not happen, it will be here
shortly.
Yours in health and freedom,
Rima E. Laibow, MD

When does this become effective in Canada? The health professionals have
never noticed.

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100 grams of Vitamin C is a sub-therapeutic dose. Only 18 nutrients
will be permitted. ALL others will be illegal. If I, as a physician,
tell you, as my patient, that you need 12 grams of Vitamin C, 25 mg of
zinc, 2000 mg of L-Carnitine, 800 IU of Vitamin E, 1300 mg of Evening
Primrose Oil and 500 mg of Vitamin B6 and half of those are
unavailable/illegal and the other half require you to take a total of
75 pills a day (at a horribly inflated cost) is your health freedom in
tact?
Let's try this again: CODEX ALIMENTARIUS makes natural health choices
unavailable. We must not let it pass here in the US.

On 1 Feb 2005 11:27:31 -0800, "drlaibow" <[email hidden]>

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So if you want to take a gram of Vitamin C,
for example, you would need to take 5 tabs of 200 mg (the max
allowable dose) each time you want that gram.

I live in Canada and I buy Vitamin C in 500 mg tablets. I used to buy
1000 mg tabs. I'll check to see if those are still available.

rr

On Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:22:47 -0500, "Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]>

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When does this become effective in Canada? The health professionals have
never noticed.

Well, I live in Ontario and I have a bottle of 500 mg/tablet Vitamin
C in my cupboard right now. My wife, who does the shopping, says she
still sees the 1000 mg/tablet bottles on the shelves of the
Pharmacies.

rr

You wrote "I live in Canada and I buy Vitamin C in 500 mg tablets. I
used to buy
1000 mg tabs. I'll check to see if those are still available. "
The point is not whether they are available now. The point is that
they will not be available once CODEX begins to be phased in. Check
with your local MP to find out when he/or she has slated you for this
loss of health freedom. Let us know what the answer is.
It will be instructive for those of us to the South here in the US.
Dr. Laibow

Even if we could manage to take our preferred dosages, I am concerned
with the idea that only 18 nutrients would be available. Now of
course, I have no idea of the proper number of supplements that are
useful or might be determined to be useful in the future. I do however
think that even now my multivitamin approaches 18 different nutrients.
I know that my body needs more than a multivitamin a day.

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First, the facts. 1. Yes, it is illegal in the EU, Canada and
Australia to purchase any but the 18 nutrients at ultra-low doses that
I mentioned. The law has been passed.

This is not true. Sorry.
I DO LIVE in europe and I DO buy 100gram Vitamin C in the pharmacy (in ANY
pharmacy) without any problems whatsoever. Price is nothing spectacular
either.

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First, the facts. 1. Yes, it is illegal in the EU, Canada and
Australia to purchase any but the 18 nutrients at ultra-low doses that
I mentioned. The law has been passed.

This is not true. Sorry.
I DO LIVE in europe and I DO buy 100gram Vitamin C in the pharmacy (in ANY
pharmacy) without any problems whatsoever. Price is nothing spectacular
either.

replace my "europe" with "the EU" to be more precise

replace my "europe" with "the EU" to be more precise

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I know that my body needs more than a multivitamin a day.

I don't know if you have any special conditions that cause an increased need
for vitamins, but with a healthy balanced diet you don't _need_ even one
multivitamin tablet a day..

[censored]. Shove that balanced, healthy eating [censored] in your ear. It doesn't
work or most of us would live to be 200 years old.

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I know that my body needs more than a multivitamin a day.

I don't know if you have any special conditions that cause an increased

need

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for vitamins, but with a healthy balanced diet you don't _need_ even one
multivitamin tablet a day..