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  1. It started at a roundabout, with a white van driver. The van was
    sign-written. Word to the wise, if you're going to drive like a
    knob-end, don't advertise who you are.

    So I wrote:

    Kindly purchase a copy of the Highway Code for the driver of your van
    who attempted to run me off the road at the roundabout in West End at
    lunchtime today.
    He clearly needs reminding that he has to give priority to traffic
    approaching from the right, and that in this case, traffic INCLUDES
    CYCLISTS.
    Highway Code Rule 161 applies, should he be too hard of thinking to work
    this out.
    And, if he claims that he did not see me, despite my wearing a
    fluorescent jacket, arrange to have his eyes tested.

    And received a very quick reply:

    I was driving the van on Saturday, and I apologise for nearly hitting
    you. Two things caused this incident, firstly I didn't judge your speed
    correctly and thought I had enough time to pull out, and secondly you
    gave no hand signals that I saw, so I had no idea you were intending to
    take the West End road turning.
    You must have seen that I accellerated hard to get out of your way when
    I realised that you were travelling at speed, and your reaction was over
    the top. If you want car drivers to respect you, I suggest you spend
    more signaling than shouting.

    -So we see, if in danger of a collision, add more energy to the mix.
    Brilliant.

    And so:

    Your apology and explanation started so well. I could almost have
    believed that you could not judge my speed, on such a clear day, with me
    wearing such visible clothing. Unfortunately, then you went on to spoil
    the effect.
    Had I signalled before you started to move onto the roundabout, the
    signal would have indicated that I intended to leave the roundabout at
    the road from which you were entering. This would have encouraged you
    to continue. In fact, the only information you needed was that I was
    not leaving at this exit, and would be continuing round the roundabout,
    exercising my priority at the junction. By the time I was in the
    correct position to signal to leave at West End Road, you were pulling
    out in front of me. I judged therefore, that keeping my hands on the
    bars and maintaining control was a better approach, whilst shouting to
    alert you to my presence.
    I noticed that, having drawn almost level with me, you still failed to
    yield; instead you chose to try and race me to my exit and bully me out
    of your way. Shouting again was appropriate to remind you of my
    presence, I'm sure your van has a horn for the same purpose. I would
    suggest that my suggestion that you learn to drive properly was entirely
    appropriate, having just had my existence threatened by your impatience.
    Whether you respect me, other cyclists, or other road users is of little
    concern to me. My concern is that you drive safely, considerately, and
    in accordance with the law and the Highway Code. That way, it is
    possible to anticipate your actions and proceed safely.

    -I await.

  2. Al C-F said the following on 19/12/2006 13:00:

    Quoted message said:

    Shouting again was appropriate to remind you of my
    presence, I'm sure your van has a horn for the same purpose.

    I guess a lot depends on your exact choice of words. There's a
    difference in attitude between some of the choicer language widely used
    (moi? mais non!!) and a loud warning "Oi", same as there's a difference
    between a horn used as a warning and a horn used as "get out the f***ing
    way."

    :-)

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  3. Paul Boyd said:

    Al C-F said the following on 19/12/2006 13:00:

    Quoted message said:

    Shouting again was appropriate to remind you of my presence, I'm sure
    your van has a horn for the same purpose.

    I guess a lot depends on your exact choice of words. There's a
    difference in attitude between some of the choicer language widely used
    (moi? mais non!!) and a loud warning "Oi", same as there's a difference
    between a horn used as a warning and a horn used as "get out the f***ing
    way."

    :-)


    Quite. "Oi, Wait" is my usual approach.

  4. Al C-F said:

    It started at a roundabout, with a white van driver. The van was
    sign-written. Word to the wise, if you're going to drive like a
    knob-end, don't advertise who you are.

    So I wrote:

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    -I await.

    Why bother? Life's short.

  5. On 19/12/2006 16:31, Al C-F said,

    Quoted message said:

    Quite. "Oi, Wait" is my usual approach.

    Sounds entirely reasonable!

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  6. On 19/12/2006 15:41, Doki said,

    Quoted message said:

    If you're going straight over, you don't need a signal, which I presume
    is what you were doing.

    Depends on the roundabout to some extent. Certainly when I was taught
    to drive 20+ years ago, I was told to indicate left when approaching
    your exit, even if that effectively meant you were going straight on.
    Put it this way, I won a court case a few years ago because the woman
    who drove into the side of my car admitted that I was indicating left to
    show I was exiting so she had no excuse not to know where I intended going.

    On some of these little mini-roundabouts though, indicating left when
    going straight on would be totally misleading, obviously.

    Al C-F didn't mention the type of roundabout...

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  7. In article <[email hidden]>
    Paul Boyd <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    On some of these little mini-roundabouts though, indicating left when
    going straight on would be totally misleading, obviously.


    Indeed - "on a mini roundabout" is often a much more appropriate
    description than "going around a mini roundabout".

  8. On 19/12/2006 19:54, Rob Morley said,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    why would you not just put the brakes on?


    Why should he have to? He had right of way.

    Epitaph:- "He had right of way" :-)

    --
    Paul Boyd
    http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

  9. Doki said:

    If you're going straight over, you don't need a signal, which I presume
    is what you were doing. If you were turning right, (ie, 3rd exit on a 4
    way roundabout), then you should be indicating right.

    Straight on or right, this driver should have given way. Therefore he
    doesn't need to know, and you are better off with both hands on the
    bars. The right signal is to make people from in front of you give
    way, and to advise people behind you where you're going.

    Colin McKenzie

    --
    No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at
    the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as
    walking.
    Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.

  10. "Rob Morley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>
    Doki <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    why would you not just put the brakes on?


    Why should he have to? He had right of way.

    Because that's what people do to avoid crashing into each other. I must have
    had hundreds of people move into my path when I've got right of way. Not
    once have I thought "I know, I'll be bloody minded and not put my brakes
    on."

  11. Response to Doki:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    why would you not just put the brakes on?


    Why should he have to? He had right of way.

    Because that's what people do to avoid crashing into each other. I must have
    had hundreds of people move into my path when I've got right of way. Not
    once have I thought "I know, I'll be bloody minded and not put my brakes
    on."

    I've thought about it once: when a white stretch limo, having stopped at
    the entrance to the roundabout I was on, decided to pull forward and
    block the exit I was about to use. I was on the trike, and briefly
    fantasised about what a 52T chainring at speed would do to the driver's
    side door; but instead I hauled on the brake, and sat there applauding
    ironically until he was able to move off.

    --
    Mark, UK
    "I do not know, dear reader, what your beliefs may be, but whatever they
    may be, you must concede that nine-tenths of the beliefs of nine-tenths
    of mankind are totally irrational. The beliefs in question are, of
    course, those which you do not hold."

  12. Mark McNeill said:

    I've thought about it once: when a white stretch limo, having stopped at
    the entrance to the roundabout I was on, decided to pull forward and
    block the exit I was about to use. I was on the trike, and briefly
    fantasised about what a 52T chainring at speed would do to the driver's
    side door; but instead I hauled on the brake, and sat there applauding
    ironically until he was able to move off.

    LOL! I know one recumbent rider who couldn't quite stop in time when a
    moton pulled out from a side road, and impacted a crank into the door.
    Cue much cursing and swearing from the driver. Better the crank than
    the chainring, less likely to bend. Wish I'd been there to see it!

  13. LSMike said:
    Mark McNeill said:

    I've thought about it once: when a white stretch limo, having
    stopped at the entrance to the roundabout I was on, decided to pull
    forward and block the exit I was about to use. I was on the trike,
    and briefly fantasised about what a 52T chainring at speed would do
    to the driver's side door; but instead I hauled on the brake, and
    sat there applauding ironically until he was able to move off.

    LOL! I know one recumbent rider who couldn't quite stop in time when
    a moton pulled out from a side road, and impacted a crank into the
    door. Cue much cursing and swearing from the driver. Better the
    crank than the chainring, less likely to bend. Wish I'd been there
    to see it!

    When I was about 14 riding home from school, someone pulled out in front of
    me (fortunately on the flat so I wasn't going too fast)... my damage, a few
    cuts and bruises and buckled wheel - hers.... a very stoved in door! I don't
    know if her tears were du to the shock of the impact or the damage to her
    car!

  14. In article <[email hidden]>

    Doki said:


    "Rob Morley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>
    Doki <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>


    <snip>

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    why would you not just put the brakes on?


    Why should he have to? He had right of way.

    Because that's what people do to avoid crashing into each other. I must have
    had hundreds of people move into my path when I've got right of way. Not
    once have I thought "I know, I'll be bloody minded and not put my brakes
    on."


    I'm just too bloody-minded. :-) But I generally don't back off or hit
    the cars, so I must be doing something right. Probably the well timed
    and very loud 'OI' combined with evasive manoeuvres. I do tend to get a
    bit aggressive in that sort of situation because I was nearly killed by
    a car pulling out in front of me, so I don't give anyone the benefit of
    the doubt.

  15. Rob Morley said:

    In article <[email hidden]>

    Doki said:

    "Rob Morley" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>
    Doki <[email hidden]> wrote:
    <snip>

    <snip>

    Quoted message said:

    >why would you not just put the brakes on?
    >

    Why should he have to? He had right of way.

    Because that's what people do to avoid crashing into each other. I must have
    had hundreds of people move into my path when I've got right of way. Not
    once have I thought "I know, I'll be bloody minded and not put my brakes
    on."

    I'm just too bloody-minded. :-) But I generally don't back off or hit
    the cars, so I must be doing something right. Probably the well timed
    and very loud 'OI' combined with evasive manoeuvres. I do tend to get a
    bit aggressive in that sort of situation because I was nearly killed by
    a car pulling out in front of me, so I don't give anyone the benefit of
    the doubt.

    Indeed. Give them something to think about, and they might try harder
    next time. Make allowances and they'll just get worse.

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