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  1. "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:

    "HCG may also be produced abnormally by certain tumors,
    especially those that develop from an egg or sperm (germ cell
    tumors). "

    Quoted message said:

    Can this test determine any breast cancers, lung cancers, bone cancers,
    blood cancers, lymph cancers, etc?

    No. HCG is not normally present in the body (unless you are a
    pregnent female) at levels high enough to be detected by the
    usual lab tests. It's only present if the cancer is producing
    it, which most often happens when it's a cancer that started with
    eggs or sperm precursor cells.

    HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a sign of cancer.

    Quoted message said:

    If the HCG-producing cancer has spread into othre tissues, it
    will probably still be producing it, but it's not common for a
    tumor in the lung, breast or brain to be making it.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    Anth

  2. Anth wrote:

    I think the other persons immune system would kill the cancer cells,
    also blood is screened.

    There's the HCG test - that can detect cancer or pregnancy amongst other
    things.

    Biopsy would be the ultiimate.

    Anth

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    quote:

    Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (hCG) Test

    The test for pregnancy is done, by measuring the amount of human
    chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) in blood or urine.

    HCG is a hormone produced by the placenta during pregnancy.

    HCG may also be produced abnormally by certain tumors, especially those
    that develop from an egg or sperm (germ cell tumors).

    Therefore, hCG levels are usually tested in a woman, who may have cancer
    of the ovaries or abnormal tissue growing in her uterus (molar
    pregnancy), instead of a normal fetus.

    In a man, hCG levels may be measured to help determine if he has cancer
    of the testicles.

    The test for hCG is done on a sample of blood taken from a vein or on a
    urine sample. Routine pregnancy testing is usually done on a urine
    sample.

    The test does not measure the exact amount of hCG, but it indicates if
    hCG is above the normal, nonpregnant level.

    [http://www.meritcare.com/hwdb/showTopic.asp?pd_hwid=hw42065]

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    Can this test determine any breast cancers, lung cancers, bone cancers,
    blood cancers, lymph cancers, etc?

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  3. [email hidden] wrote:

    "HCG may also be produced abnormally by certain tumors,
    especially those that develop from an egg or sperm (germ cell
    tumors). "

    Quoted message said:

    Can this test determine any breast cancers, lung cancers, bone cancers,
    blood cancers, lymph cancers, etc?

    No. HCG is not normally present in the body (unless you are a
    pregnent female) at levels high enough to be detected by the
    usual lab tests. It's only present if the cancer is producing
    it, which most often happens when it's a cancer that started with
    eggs or sperm precursor cells.

    If the HCG-producing cancer has spread into othre tissues, it
    will probably still be producing it, but it's not common for a
    tumor in the lung, breast or brain to be making it.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
    politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
    your kid and run for your life.

  4. Anth said:

    HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a sign of cancer.

    HCG is present in all normal cell lines tested too, therefore
    it's also a sign of normalcy.

    It's present in tiny amounts in everyone, men and women, if you
    use ultra-sensitive lab tests. It's produced (normally) in high
    quantities during pregnancy.

    High quantities in a non-pregnant persons indi9cates something
    wrong - usually a tumor.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
    politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
    your kid and run for your life.

  5. Cool I didn't know it was present in tiny amounts, have you got any
    references to this for me to look at?
    (I think this would make sense as I've read the body deals with cancer cells
    on a daily basis)
    Thanks
    Anth

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a sign of cancer.

    HCG is present in all normal cell lines tested too, therefore
    it's also a sign of normalcy.

    It's present in tiny amounts in everyone, men and women, if you
    use ultra-sensitive lab tests. It's produced (normally) in high
    quantities during pregnancy.

    High quantities in a non-pregnant persons indi9cates something
    wrong - usually a tumor.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

  6. This article about hCG, was recently posted here:

    [http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/2020/PRIMETIME_010419_abbott_feature.html]

    High hCG Levels, False Positives:

    "Rufer is among the 10 percent of the population, whose blood contains
    natural substances that can interfere with lab tests, and cause results
    that are false positive."

    -------------------

    some quotes:

    "I can't have kids," she says, "and I desperately want to have a
    family." Compounding the physical and emotional pain that haunts her
    every day, doctors have discovered Rufer never had cancer at all.

    Rufer has brought a lawsuit against Abbott Laboratories, one of the
    world's largest diagnostic and pharmaceutical companies, ... claiming
    that flawed results from their Axsym BHCG pregnancy test led to
    unnecessary cancer treatments, including chemotherapy and a
    hysterectomy.

    High HCG Level

    Three years ago, soon after Rufer was married, she went to the doctor
    because of irregular bleeding. The doctor took a blood sample for the
    Axsym BHCG routine pregnancy test, one of the most common blood
    pregnancy tests in the country.

    The test results came back positive, showing Rufer was pregnant. But her
    doctor could find no baby. Additional Axsym pregnancy tests came back
    positive for Rufer, and still there was no indication of a pregancy.

    When a woman is pregnant, she produces high levels of a hormone called
    beta human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG).

    But if there is no baby, the elevated HCG levels can be a sign of a rare
    form of cancer, called a "gestational trophoblastic tumor".

    If untreated, it can spread rapidly and kill. If treated early with
    chemotherapy, it is highly curable. In fact, early treatment is so
    important, that doctors sometimes order chemotherapy, even if there is
    no evidence of a tumor.

    Rufer was referred to a cancer specialist, at the University of
    Washington Medical Center in Seattle, for more extensive tests. Though
    scans showed no sign of a tumor, her HCG level continued to be
    alarmingly high. Doctors diagnosed her with cancer, and she began
    chemotherapy immediately.

    Chemotherapy continued for four months, but Rufer's HCG levels on the
    Abbott test remained between 250 and 350, while a normal level is less
    than five.

    She was told she would have to have a hysterectomy. Tissue samples
    after her hysterectomy, showed no evidence of cancer.

    At first, her HCG levels dropped, but then went back up. Then, doctors
    saw two suspicious spots on her lung scan, so she had additional
    surgery. Doctors still found no cancer, and yet her HCG levels remained
    elevated.

    Then came a stunning relevation: "They ended up finding out that I have
    never had cancer," says Rufer. "That this test was faulty from the
    beginning, and that I had never had this disease. I had been treated for
    no reason at all."

    False Positives

    Rufer is not the first, to have blood pregnancy test results, indicate a
    false positive.

    Laurence Cole, a Yale University researcher who published an article
    about women who are misdiagnosed with cancer, based on incorrect
    pregnancy tests, ... found that Rufer is among the 10 percent of the
    population, whose blood contains natural substances that can interfere
    with lab tests, and cause results that are false positive.

    No lab test is 100 percent perfect, and other companies that make
    pregnancy tests measuring HCG, have also shown false positives. But
    Cole, who has become an expert witness in cases against Abbott, believes
    the company has a greater problem. "We are still to this day, hearing
    about false positive results in the Abbott Axsym test," he says.

    Abbott's Response

    In numerous statements to ABCNEWS, Abbott insists its test is no more
    prone to false positives, than any other test on the market.

    ----------------

    Susan, Su_Texas my opinions

  7. Anth said:

    Cool I didn't know it was present in tiny amounts, have you got any
    references to this for me to look at?

    I remembered that from my lab tech training - it's why
    ultra-sensitive hormone testing is not widely used, because you
    reach a point where the test doesn't help diagnose anything. You
    could search the web.

    Quoted message said:

    (I think this would make sense as I've read the body deals with cancer cells
    on a daily basis)

    ONE MORE TIME: HCG has NOTHING to do with cancer! It can be
    present in SOME cancers, but unles you have high levels in a
    non-pregnant female or any male, IT MEANS NOTHING.

    Quoted message said:

    "Tsu Dho Nimh" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Anth said:

    HCG is present in all cancer cell lines tested, it is a sign of cancer.

    HCG is present in all normal cell lines tested too, therefore
    it's also a sign of normalcy.

    It's present in tiny amounts in everyone, men and women, if you
    use ultra-sensitive lab tests. It's produced (normally) in high
    quantities during pregnancy.

    High quantities in a non-pregnant persons indi9cates something
    wrong - usually a tumor.

    Tsu Dho Nimh


    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
    politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
    your kid and run for your life.

  8. Quoted message said:

    This article about hCG, was recently posted here:

    [http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/2020/PRIMETIME_010419_abbott_feature.html]

    High hCG Levels, False Positives:

    "Rufer is among the 10 percent of the population, whose blood contains
    natural substances that can interfere with lab tests, and cause results
    that are false positive."

    There are also instances where the pregnancy tests were never
    poritive ... right up to the day the baby was delivered.

    Quoted message said:

    The test results came back positive, showing Rufer was pregnant. But her
    doctor could find no baby. Additional Axsym pregnancy tests came back
    positive for Rufer, and still there was no indication of a pregancy.

    That was their mistake: not trying a different brand as a
    doublecheck. I find it hard to believe that with all those
    different labs she didn't have other brands used.

    Tsu Dho Nimh

    --
    When businesses invoke the "protection of consumers," it's a lot like
    politicians invoking morality and children - grab your wallet and/or
    your kid and run for your life.

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