hardrock looking awfully competitive

Charlie Pendejo said:

http://www.hardrock100.com/index.asp

Through 28+ miles, four runners (Jurek, Denesik, Hartell, Meltzer)
within a few minutes of the lead. I've gotta assume that's uncommonly
tight, no?

I think so. I think Jurek's after Meltzer, a frequent winner on tough
courses. Jurek spent about 3 wk in the San Juans training at altitude.

Dot

--
"Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
world-famous adventurer who was with Byrd in Antarctica

Dot said:

Charlie Pendejo said:

http://www.hardrock100.com/index.asp

Through 28+ miles, four runners (Jurek, Denesik, Hartell, Meltzer)
within a few minutes of the lead. I've gotta assume that's uncommonly
tight, no?

I think so. I think Jurek's after Meltzer, a frequent winner on tough
courses. Jurek spent about 3 wk in the San Juans training at altitude.

Dot

Something that's interesting to watch also is the time in aid station
for the lead runners vs others, at least so far. OTOH, I'm not sure how
accurately they log the time in, and maybe the time out.

Dot

--
"Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
world-famous adventurer who was with Byrd in Antarctica

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Quoted message said:

http://www.hardrock100.com/index.asp

Through 28+ miles, four runners (Jurek, Denesik, Hartell, Meltzer)
within a few minutes of the lead. I've gotta assume that's uncommonly
tight, no?

And a British runner in the lead! (at 42.1)
--
Ken

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Through 28+ miles, four runners (Jurek, Denesik, Hartell, Meltzer)
within a few minutes of the lead. I've gotta assume that's uncommonly
tight, no?

Meltzer beat Jurek by 40 minutes at the Baldy Peaks 50k a few years back.
Never had a chance to meet him, he was gone by the time I finished :-). I
think he knows how to run a 100, too, having won his 18th at Massanutten 8
weeks ago.

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http://www.hardrock100.com/index.asp

Through 28+ miles, four runners (Jurek, Denesik, Hartell, Meltzer)
within a few minutes of the lead. I've gotta assume that's uncommonly
tight, no?

It's damn close through 56.6 with Jurek by 5 minutes and miles to go
before they sleep.

Jurek18:51
Hartell 18:56
Meltzer 19:07
Denesik has not checked in or communications are down.

-DF

Is this a run or a hike or both?

Doug said:

It's damn close through 56.6 with Jurek by 5 minutes and miles
to go before they sleep.

Jurek 18:51
Hartell 18:56
Meltzer 19:07
Denesik has not checked in or communications are down.

Denesik fell way off the pack somewhere between Sherman and Grouse
Gulch.

I predict Scotty holds on for a narrow win over Meltzer, the limey
third. No particular basis, just I've read a Jurek interview and
found him likable.

Any of you ultra guys and gals personally know anyone in the race?

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Charlie Pendejo <[email hidden]> writes

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Doug said:

It's damn close through 56.6 with Jurek by 5 minutes and miles
to go before they sleep.

Jurek 18:51
Hartell 18:56
Meltzer 19:07
Denesik has not checked in or communications are down.

Denesik fell way off the pack somewhere between Sherman and Grouse
Gulch.

I predict Scotty holds on for a narrow win over Meltzer, the limey
third. No particular basis, just I've read a Jurek interview and
found him likable.

Any of you ultra guys and gals personally know anyone in the race?

I know "the Limey" (though not that well). I'm feeling really concerned
as he's dropped right back, spent over an hour at 64.5, then not turned
up at 67.7, 5 hours later. I have to assume he's out the race.

Changing the subject, what I can't get my head round is that the 2
leaders aren't spending any time at all at aid stations. Man cannot live
on GUs alone.
--
Ken

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Is this a run or a hike or both?

It's a 100 mile race with almost 34,000 feet of climb in altitude
7,680' to 14,048.' Yes, run and hike with maybe a roll down a hill or
crawling on all fours. It's one of the hardest trail 100's.

Trails ultra races are in general are a combination of run and hike,
less a few truly gifted runners. With Hardrock, even the winners
walk/hike a bunch. If you want all the gory details read
http://www.hardrock100.com/

-DF

Ken said:

Changing the subject, what I can't get my head round is that the 2
leaders aren't spending any time at all at aid stations. Man cannot live
on GUs alone.

I think Meltzer does. See 100 mile racing tip part way down this page.
http://www.wasatchspeedgoat.com/
I've been kinda under that impression that real food doesn't work for
him. I'll bet they also grab and run and may have crew / pacer to help
(not sure about HR rules and accessibility).

I'd be curious how fast those transition times would be if race weren't
as tight. Although they might be the same. I think one study I read said
that faster runners eat less in a race, but I'm not sure if they eat
less because they spend less time on course or whether the study was
implying that slower runners spend too much time in the smorgasbord
aspects of ultras.😉 (The implication that I got was the latter.)

I noticed the longer aid station times for some - possibly shoe changes,
recovery time, etc. After having just read about half a dozen or more
WS100 reports in another group, I can envision where some of that time
goes.😉

But, yea, I had noticed that quick transition time earlier. When I've
volunteered at local race, where they only have aid station / drop bags
at road intersections (38 mi apart), most runners take a significant
break before heading back out (safe haven in bear country in the dark),
but the older, slower, but more experienced runner is in and out in
probably 2-3 minutes - waay faster than anyone else.

Dot

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"Dream big and dare to fail." --- Norman Vaughan
world-famous adventurer who was with Byrd in Antarctica

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Any of you ultra guys and gals personally know anyone in the race?

I know and have run with about 8. One guy I'm keeping a eye on is Scot
Mills. He was a the RD for the Bull Run Run 50 in Md. and is good
runner at age 50. H is in 14th place at the moment which is damn good
for an east coast guy and not likely much altitude acclimation .

-Doug

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In article <[email hidden]>,
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Changing the subject, what I can't get my head round is that the 2
leaders aren't spending any time at all at aid stations. Man cannot
live on GUs alone.

Ken, You can't picnic at the 14 aid stations. All they do quickly
refill their fliuids, maybe a shoe or shirt change, blister work, grab
some food and take it with them to eat on the next uphill. FWIW Jurek is
a vegan and I know he not living on GU but some mushed vegetables from a
crew or drop bags.

-DF

"Charlie Pendejo" wrote:
| I predict Scotty holds on for a narrow win over Meltzer, the limey
| third. No particular basis, just I've read a Jurek interview and
| found him likable.

Looks like Scott is going to finish well ahead everyone, including Meltzer.
He has more than an hour lead over Meltzer @82.4 and only one to check in
and out @89 so far.

Me too found Scott to be very likable through published interviews and articles,
as well as the audio interview in the link below (many formats to listen to):
http://www.enduranceplanet.com/2005december.htm

Check out these stunning photos by Klas Eklof...this has got to be the most
beautiful 100 as well as the toughest...

http://www.klaseklof.com/runs/HR06/01.HTML

I was looking at those yesterday -- and someone posted them last year,
too.
Most of those people look like hikers, not runners -- and still, quite
a workout just to hike.

What do they do at the end of the day, before reaching the 100-mile
end of the course?

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I was looking at those yesterday -- and someone posted them last year,
too.
Most of those people look like hikers, not runners -- and still, quite
a workout just to hike.

Most run the downhills and hike the climbs. Have you ever hiked uphill at
12,000 feet? I have, and a reasonable hiking pace gets my heartrate up into
the range it is when running 7:00 miles.

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What do they do at the end of the day, before reaching the 100-mile
end of the course?

They go all night without sleep. Most of them have pacers at night for
safety.

-- Dan

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They go all night without sleep. Most of them have pacers at night for
safety.

-- Dan

You mean, participants do the whole 100-mile course, no sleep?

What is the average time for the complete course?

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Any of you ultra guys and gals personally know anyone in the race?

I chatted with Krissy (3rd overall). She passed me on the second lap of the
Baldy Peaks 50k one year, and we ran together for a bit, and talked
afterward. (she trounced me over the last 10 miles).

Skinny and light, and a typically laid back and nice ultra geek.

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You mean, participants do the whole 100-mile course, no sleep?

That's part of the charm of the sport :-) Many interesting nighttime
hallucinations have been reported. I have never done a hundred partly
'cause I don't want to run all night.

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What is the average time for the complete course?

Depends on the difficulty of the course and the snow conditions and weather.
Hardrock is probably the toughest -- only 40% complete it. Average times
range from 26 (at the Javelina Jundred) to about 40 hours at Hardrock.