hard intervals before distance in prep?

[Ron Ruff]

Andy Coggan wrote:
> Capillary neoformation occurs only in (near) muscle (fibers) that are
> recruited during exercise, and muscle capillarization parallels VO2max. It
> therefore logically follows that the best way to maximize capillary density
> of muscle is to train at highER, but still aerobic, intensities, not by
> keeping the intensity below some limit to prevent "destroying your
> capillaries".

So the best base training would be long rides at an intensity you could
maintain for that distance...?

Do you know if sprints and intervals have any negative effect on this?

I've actually only done anything like base training once, and that was
early this year. I hated it. Hard to tell if it helped, because I'm
still coming back from a long layoff. Never going anaerobic made the
rides boring for me. I used to live in LA and just raced all year...
but a little less in the winter.

I don't think LSD was originated by Walden... it was an old school Euro
habit.

 

[Ron Ruff]

Andrew F Martin wrote:
> Dude, if I lived in Hawaii, I'd have a hard time going easy too. In
> Seattle, the rain is condusive to the long, slow miles.

Plenty of rain here too, but at least it is always warm.

Ron @ Kauai

 

[Andy Coggan]

"Ron Ruff" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...

> I don't think LSD was originated by Walden... it was an old school Euro
> habit.

As best as I can tell, Walden is the one who started the urban legend that
training too hard too early "destroys your capillaries".

Joe Henderson is the person responsible for popularizing, if not coining,
the phrase long, slow distance (the antithesis of the interval-centric
running programs popular before ca. 1970).

Andy Coggan

 

[Raptor]

Ron Ruff wrote:
> I've actually only done anything like base training once, and that was
> early this year. I hated it. Hard to tell if it helped, because I'm
> still coming back from a long layoff. Never going anaerobic made the
> rides boring for me. I used to live in LA and just raced all year...
> but a little less in the winter.

Your intensity is too low then. I find it hard to believe that the
long-term suffering that can be had at high aerobic intensities fits any
definition of "boring."

It's really simple: ride as hard as your fitness level permits, all the
time. When the time is right, you can add specialty training like hills
or hard intervals.

--
--
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Conservative dictionary:
Judicial Activist: n. A judge who tends to rule against your wishes.

 

[Ron Ruff]

Raptor wrote:
> I find it hard to believe that the
> long-term suffering that can be had at high aerobic intensities fits any
> definition of "boring."
>

Actually, consistent "long-term suffering" is closer to my definition
of hell... I prefer a bit of variation in my suffering.

> It's really simple: ride as hard as your fitness level permits, all the
> time. When the time is right, you can add specialty training like hills
> or hard intervals.
>

I thought the best method to build performance was to train hard until
just before the onset of "overtraining" then rest; repeat. If you "ride
hard" all the time without intervals of rest and recovery, you will
plateau in performance and eventually become overtrained.

There is also a time for building performance, and a time for
preparation. You don't see many pros who are racing-fit in the winter,
and they are not riding as hard as they can.

 

[Donald Munro]

DepartFictif wrote:

> Roids = hemorRoids? Is that what PRO MASTERS racer (a contradiction in
> terms) JT uses?

Well you might get hemorRoids (sic) from using caffeine suppositories, but
I expect JFT prefers his caffeine in liquid form.

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 11:09:31 +0200, Donald Munro wrote:
> Well you might get hemorRoids (sic) from using caffeine suppositories, but
> I expect JFT prefers his caffeine in liquid form.

JT takes coffee enemas?!

--
E. Dronkert

 

[Donald Munro]

Donald Munro wrote:
>> Well you might get hemorRoids (sic) from using caffeine suppositories, but
>> I expect JFT prefers his caffeine in liquid form.

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> JT takes coffee enemas?!

Only instant coffee.

 

[gym.gravity]

Donald Munro wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
> >> Well you might get hemorRoids (sic) from using caffeine suppositories, but
> >> I expect JFT prefers his caffeine in liquid form.
>
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> > JT takes coffee enemas?!
>
> Only instant coffee.

http://knefaty.en.alibaba.com/produ...achines/Medicine_and_Suppository_Machine.html

 

[Donald Munro]

Donald Munro wrote:
>> >> Well you might get hemorRoids (sic) from using caffeine
>> >> suppositories, but I expect JFT prefers his caffeine in liquid form.

Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>> > JT takes coffee enemas?!

Donald Munro wrote:
>> Only instant coffee.

gym.gravity wrote:
> http://knefaty.en.alibaba.com/produ...achines/Medicine_and_Suppository_Machine.html

Perhaps Saeco should get back into cycling:
http://www.ineedcoffee.com/01/01/enema/

 

[gym.gravity]

Donald Munro wrote:
> Donald Munro wrote:
> >> >> Well you might get hemorRoids (sic) from using caffeine
> >> >> suppositories, but I expect JFT prefers his caffeine in liquid form.
>
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> >> > JT takes coffee enemas?!
>
> Donald Munro wrote:
> >> Only instant coffee.
>
> gym.gravity wrote:
> > http://knefaty.en.alibaba.com/produ...achines/Medicine_and_Suppository_Machine.html
>
> Perhaps Saeco should get back into cycling:
> http://www.ineedcoffee.com/01/01/enema/

I didn't know palmitate was an enzyme.

You learn something new every day on the internet!

http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=29&db=5&C0=818

"Another potential danger, they say, is physical damage to the
rectum....
The agency also cites the case of the two Seattle women who died
following excessive enema use. Their deaths were attributed to fluid
and electrolyte abnormalities. One took 10 to 12 coffee enemas in a
single night and then continued at a rate of one per hour. The other
took four daily. As OTA points out, "in both cases, the enemas were
taken much more frequently than is recommended in the Gerson
treatment." "

 

[Tom Kunich]

up yours.

 

[Andrew F Martin]

Hah - I almost posted something similar. What a jerk.

 

[IMKen]

Yeah, and to think I have suffer through it year around with no winter
break.

Ken

"Andrew F Martin" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hah - I almost posted something similar. What a jerk.
>

 

[Ewoud Dronkert]

On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:00:53 +0200, Donald Munro wrote:
> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
> >> > JT takes coffee enemas?!
>
> Perhaps Saeco should get back into cycling:
> http://www.ineedcoffee.com/01/01/enema/

Jesus christ. I would never have imagined such a thing actually exists.

--
E. Dronkert

 

[Jet]

On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:05:10 +0200, Ewoud Dronkert
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:00:53 +0200, Donald Munro wrote:
>> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>> >> > JT takes coffee enemas?!
>>
>> Perhaps Saeco should get back into cycling:
>> http://www.ineedcoffee.com/01/01/enema/
>
>Jesus christ. I would never have imagined such a thing actually exists.

Ask yourself, what would Jes... er...nevermind.

jj

 

[Robert Chung]

Jet wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Aug 2005 21:05:10 +0200, Ewoud Dronkert
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 16:00:53 +0200, Donald Munro wrote:
>>> Ewoud Dronkert wrote:
>>>>>> JT takes coffee enemas?!
>>>
>>> Perhaps Saeco should get back into cycling:
>>> http://www.ineedcoffee.com/01/01/enema/
>>
>> Jesus christ. I would never have imagined such a thing actually exists.
>
> Ask yourself, what would Jes... er...nevermind.

http://www.cafepress.com/bridezilla.7480689