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  1. My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. I
    believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet) that
    helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of injury in
    the event of an accident. My son believes this is a misconception that
    has never been proven, and that it is being strongly advanced by
    entities with a vested interest, such as helmet manufacturers. He does
    not think that the mere existence of helmet laws constitutes a reason
    to always wear one ("There are plenty of bad laws," he says, and he is
    right).

    He admits that there are many reasons that he does not want to wear a
    helmet, that are unrelated to safety (e.g., comfort, convenience), but
    believes that for most short-distance bike riding, there is no
    objective safety-relatedreason for him to wear a helmet on every single
    trip, because (a) the probability of an accident is extremely low, (b)
    he "knows how to be careful" and minimize the probability of an
    accident, (c) if he were to get into a SERIOUS accident, such as being
    RUN OVER by a car, the helmet would not save him anyway, (d) wearing
    the helmet does not change the probability of an accident happening.

    In order to get more reliable information, we agreed on two approaches:
    (1) we'd look for impartial scientific studies that show whether
    consistently wearing a helmet can or cannot significantly reduce the
    risk of severe injury in the event of a biking accident -- so much so
    as to make it reasonable to have to wear a helmet on each and every
    trip; (2) we'd ask in a forum of random bikers and bike enthiasts
    whether or not THEY wear helmets on each and every trip, and why.

    So that's what I'm doing. Please weigh in with your thoughts. Also, if
    you know of any reliable studies on this matter, please post a link.

    Thanks.

  2. Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. I
    believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet) that
    helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of injury in
    the event of an accident. My son believes this is a misconception that
    has never been proven, and that it is being strongly advanced by
    entities with a vested interest, such as helmet manufacturers. He does
    not think that the mere existence of helmet laws constitutes a reason
    to always wear one ("There are plenty of bad laws," he says, and he is
    right).

    He admits that there are many reasons that he does not want to wear a
    helmet, that are unrelated to safety (e.g., comfort, convenience), but
    believes that for most short-distance bike riding, there is no
    objective safety-relatedreason for him to wear a helmet on every single
    trip, because (a) the probability of an accident is extremely low, (b)
    he "knows how to be careful" and minimize the probability of an
    accident, (c) if he were to get into a SERIOUS accident, such as being
    RUN OVER by a car, the helmet would not save him anyway, (d) wearing
    the helmet does not change the probability of an accident happening.

    In order to get more reliable information, we agreed on two approaches:
    (1) we'd look for impartial scientific studies that show whether
    consistently wearing a helmet can or cannot significantly reduce the
    risk of severe injury in the event of a biking accident -- so much so
    as to make it reasonable to have to wear a helmet on each and every
    trip; (2) we'd ask in a forum of random bikers and bike enthiasts
    whether or not THEY wear helmets on each and every trip, and why.

    So that's what I'm doing. Please weigh in with your thoughts. Also, if
    you know of any reliable studies on this matter, please post a link.

    Thanks.


    as you have a gmail account one can assume you are familiar with GOOGLE.
    Do your research there and save the NG the endless diatribe related to
    the H word. Their use is subjective and EVERYONE has an opinion. YMMV

  3. Can of worms?
    I started wearing one not because am convinced it reduces the risk of
    brain injury so much as I think it might reduce the risk of abrasion.
    That is also why I wear gloves, to reduce my risk of hand abrasion. It
    would be harder to go to work with the major scrapes.
    Ted.

  4. Thanks for your response. I am doing the Google research, but an
    important part of the research -- as both my son and I agreed -- is to
    ask the bikers themselves. I did not realize that this was such a
    controversial, hot-button issue until I started researching it. But I
    do think that hearing from the bikers themselves is of value.

    mrbubl said:
    Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. [snip]

    Quoted message said:

    as you have a gmail account one can assume you are familiar with GOOGLE.
    Do your research there and save the NG the endless diatribe related to
    the H word. Their use is subjective and EVERYONE has an opinion. YMMV

  5. Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. I
    believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet) that
    helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of injury in
    the event of an accident. My son believes this is a misconception that
    has never been proven, and that it is being strongly advanced by
    entities with a vested interest, such as helmet manufacturers. He does
    not think that the mere existence of helmet laws constitutes a reason
    to always wear one ("There are plenty of bad laws," he says, and he is
    right).

    There's a "helmet law" that applies to your teenager where you live? Where
    is this?

  6. San Francisco Bay Area, California.

    Bill Sornson said:
    Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. I
    believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet) that
    helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of injury in
    the event of an accident. My son believes this is a misconception that
    has never been proven, and that it is being strongly advanced by
    entities with a vested interest, such as helmet manufacturers. He does
    not think that the mere existence of helmet laws constitutes a reason
    to always wear one ("There are plenty of bad laws," he says, and he is
    right).

    There's a "helmet law" that applies to your teenager where you live? Where
    is this?

  7. Bill Sornson said:

    There's a "helmet law" that applies to your teenager where you live? Where
    is this?

    California Bicycle Helmet Statute
    VEHICLE CODE
    DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD
    CHAPTER 1. OBEDIENCE TO AND EFFECT OF TRAFFIC LAWS
    ARTICLE 4. OPERATION OF BICYCLES

    "§ 21212. Bicycle helmets; wearing and selling helmets in conformance
    with law; violations and penalties; use of penalty collections

    (a) A person under 18 years of age shall not operate a bicycle, or ride
    upon a bicycle as a passenger, upon a street, bikeway, as defined in
    Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code, or any other public
    bicycle path or trail unless that person is wearing a properly fitted
    and fastened bicycle helmet that meets the standards of the American
    National Standards Institute (ANSI Z 90.4 bicycle helmet standard), the
    Snell Memorial Foundation's Standard for Protective Headgear for Use in
    Bicycling, or the American Society for Testing Materials (ASTM F-1447
    standard). This requirement also applies to a person who rides upon a
    bicycle while in a restraining seat that is attached to the bicycle or
    in a trailer towed by the bicycle."

  8. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. I
    believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet) that
    helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of injury in
    the event of an accident. My son believes this is a misconception that
    has never been proven,

    In which case it is a conception. Common sense suggests that some injuries
    will be prevented, and some will be minimised. It doesn't need any research
    beyond gazing at the thing to realise it must provide some protection.

  9. Quoted message said:
    Bill Sornson said:

    There's a "helmet law" that applies to your teenager where you live?
    Where is this?

    California Bicycle Helmet Statute
    VEHICLE CODE
    DIVISION 11. RULES OF THE ROAD
    CHAPTER 1. OBEDIENCE TO AND EFFECT OF TRAFFIC LAWS
    ARTICLE 4. OPERATION OF BICYCLES

    "§ 21212. Bicycle helmets; wearing and selling helmets in conformance
    with law; violations and penalties; use of penalty collections

    (a) A person under 18 years of age shall not operate a bicycle, or
    ride upon a bicycle as a passenger, upon a street, bikeway, as
    defined in Section 890.4 of the Streets and Highways Code, or any
    other public bicycle path or trail unless that person is wearing a
    properly fitted and fastened bicycle helmet that meets the standards
    of the American National Standards Institute (ANSI Z 90.4 bicycle
    helmet standard), the Snell Memorial Foundation's Standard for
    Protective Headgear for Use in Bicycling, or the American Society for
    Testing Materials (ASTM F-1447 standard). This requirement also
    applies to a person who rides upon a bicycle while in a restraining
    seat that is attached to the bicycle or in a trailer towed by the
    bicycle."

    It's never enforced. You and the kid will have to decide whether he should
    wear a lid based on your own criteria.

    Bill "trollsniff alert" S.

  10. "mrbubl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    as you have a gmail account one can assume you are familiar with GOOGLE.
    Do your research there and save the NG the endless diatribe related to the
    H word.

    Further, we've all read the arguments about 50 trillion times, that is, if
    we haven't killfiled all those stupid helmet threads after reading them the
    first 7 million times we started reading the bicycle newsgroups. They often
    disintegrate into insults and ad hominem attacks. They also unfortunately
    take over other threads -- see the "better than bells" thread just recently
    started by Pat Lamb that has a helmet debate already sucking out its
    lifeblood.

    Please say NO to helmet threads. Don't start them, and god help us, don't
    participate in them once underway.

    --
    Warm Regards,

    Claire Petersky
    http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
    See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky

  11. Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. I
    believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet) that
    helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of injury in
    the event of an accident. My son believes this is a misconception that
    has never been proven, and that it is being strongly advanced by
    entities with a vested interest, such as helmet manufacturers. He does
    not think that the mere existence of helmet laws constitutes a reason
    to always wear one ("There are plenty of bad laws," he says, and he is
    right).

    He admits that there are many reasons that he does not want to wear a
    helmet, that are unrelated to safety (e.g., comfort, convenience), but
    believes that for most short-distance bike riding, there is no
    objective safety-relatedreason for him to wear a helmet on every single
    trip, because (a) the probability of an accident is extremely low, (b)
    he "knows how to be careful" and minimize the probability of an
    accident, (c) if he were to get into a SERIOUS accident, such as being
    RUN OVER by a car, the helmet would not save him anyway, (d) wearing
    the helmet does not change the probability of an accident happening.

    In order to get more reliable information, we agreed on two approaches:
    (1) we'd look for impartial scientific studies that show whether
    consistently wearing a helmet can or cannot significantly reduce the
    risk of severe injury in the event of a biking accident -- so much so
    as to make it reasonable to have to wear a helmet on each and every
    trip; (2) we'd ask in a forum of random bikers and bike enthiasts
    whether or not THEY wear helmets on each and every trip, and why.

    So that's what I'm doing. Please weigh in with your thoughts. Also, if
    you know of any reliable studies on this matter, please post a link.

    Thanks.

    Dear J.,

    Here's a good place to start:

    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documents/maxi-faq-helmets?OpenDocument

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  12. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. I
    believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet) that
    helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of injury in
    the event of an accident.

    It's hard to get a real life study but they are out there. The most
    convincing are those engineering test. It's just simple logic that some
    well designed padding is better than no padding in a collision.

    In an impact, if your son doesn't get a skull fracture, then he might
    lose some scalp. Hairless can be trendy to some kids! 😄

    Don't know about where you are, but at many places, it's the law to wear
    helmet.
    --

  13. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Thanks for your response. I am doing the Google research, but an
    important part of the research -- as both my son and I agreed -- is to
    ask the bikers themselves. I did not realize that this was such a
    controversial, hot-button issue until I started researching it. But I
    do think that hearing from the bikers themselves is of value.

    That's simple. If you know it'll protect you, then you'll get used to it
    quickly. And with the latest range of cycling helmets, they are light,
    comfortable and trendy. There's no reason not to wear it even for
    appearance conscious teens.
    --

  14. Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. I
    believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet) that
    helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of injury in
    the event of an accident. My son believes this is a misconception that
    has never been proven, and that it is being strongly advanced by
    entities with a vested interest, such as helmet manufacturers. He does
    not think that the mere existence of helmet laws constitutes a reason
    to always wear one ("There are plenty of bad laws," he says, and he is
    right).

    He admits that there are many reasons that he does not want to wear a
    helmet, that are unrelated to safety (e.g., comfort, convenience), but
    believes that for most short-distance bike riding, there is no
    objective safety-relatedreason for him to wear a helmet on every single
    trip, because (a) the probability of an accident is extremely low, (b)
    he "knows how to be careful" and minimize the probability of an
    accident, (c) if he were to get into a SERIOUS accident, such as being
    RUN OVER by a car, the helmet would not save him anyway, (d) wearing
    the helmet does not change the probability of an accident happening.

    Sounds like you've raised a very intelligent son.

    There is little question that helmet use - or, perhaps more accurately,
    forced helmet sales - have been strongly advanced by their
    manufacturers. Bell Sports freely admits to having budget for
    legislative action, to make their product mandatory. (Can you imagine
    the outcry if pharmaceutical companies did that?) Also, they are one
    of the major sponsors of Safe Kids Inc, which is one of the major
    lobbying organizations for mandatory helmet laws (MHLs).

    Point b: The probability of an accident is, indeed, extremely low,
    especially if your son does something radical like actually obeying the
    laws and minding the condition of the road surface. The fearmongering
    regarding bicycling is false. See
    http://www.bicyclinglife.com/SafetySkills/SafetyQuiz.htm and check the
    references.
    In fact, cycling's numbers are better than those for walking, at least
    near traffic. (That includes using sidewalks, BTW.)

    He's correct on point c, as well. One study of about 20 cycling deaths
    in Aukland, NZ (i.e. all the fatalities in the time period under study)
    found that all of the non-helmeted cyclists died of multiple injuries,
    not simple head injuries, so helmets would not have saved them. Only
    one cyclist died of simple head injury, and he was helmeted. (Sage M,
    Cairns F, Koelmeyer T, Smeeton W. Fatal injuries to bicycle riders in
    Auckland. N Z Med J. 1985;98:1073-4.)

    He's apparently wrong on item d, however. Data from several studies
    indicates helmeted cyclists are _more_ likely to crash and hit their
    heads. Explanations are still being worked out, but it looks like a
    combination of risk compensation (google it) and the helmeted head
    simply being a bigger target, so to speak.

    Overall, despite the intense promotion, radical fearmongering, and
    existence of laws, helmets have not been shown to increase bicycling
    safety in any significant way. The New York Times had a major article
    on this a few years ago. See
    http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3b63eec01188.htm

    The helmet skeptic viewpoint gets little publicity - probably because
    there's little money to be made by _not_ selling helmets. But studies
    and data showing negligible benefit keep popping up. Also common are
    papers that blatantly miscalculate or misinterpret their results,
    trying to find benefit. Visit www.cyclehelmets.org for lots of data
    and sources.

    Another excellent source is
    http://chapmancentral.demon.co.uk/Web/public.nsf/Documents/Cycle_Helmets?OpenDocument
    (or http://tinyurl.com/oqala) and its sub-pages, esp. the "maxi-FAQ".

    There's no shortage of numbers-out-of-context, helmet promotion sites.
    I'll let you find those on your own. You can decide which point of
    view is stronger.

    Incidentally, there was a time I was convinced that bike helmets were
    such a good idea that I actually helped promote them. But once I
    started reading the research and discussions on the research, I became
    skeptical. The more I learned, the less I believed in the utility of
    bike helmets, until I turned completely around. I now believe they're
    mostly a scam. And that's been the general trend among people who have
    actually studied this issue in depth.

    - Frank Krygowski

  15. Claire Petersky said:

    Further, we've all read the arguments about 50 trillion times, that is, if
    we haven't killfiled all those stupid helmet threads after reading them the
    first 7 million times we started reading the bicycle newsgroups. They often
    disintegrate into insults and ad hominem attacks. They also unfortunately
    take over other threads -- see the "better than bells" thread just recently
    started by Pat Lamb that has a helmet debate already sucking out its
    lifeblood.

    Please say NO to helmet threads. Don't start them, and god help us, don't
    participate in them once underway.

    Did you really mean " PLEASE don't try to learn anything! " ?

    I agree that certain helmet thread participants frequently descend into
    abuse. But it's wrong to think that there is nothing new contributed.
    Studies are still being done and published in reputable journals, new
    evidence is being uncovered, serious discussion takes place around the
    mindless abuse posts, and people's minds are changing.

    Styrofoam hats are an odd choice of topic to anoint with the oil of
    dogma.

    Besides, won't that oil degrade the styrofoam? ;-)

    - Frank Krygowski

  16. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets.
    I believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet)
    that helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of
    injury in the event of an accident. My son believes this is a
    misconception that has never been proven, and that it is being
    strongly advanced by entities with a vested interest, such as helmet
    manufacturers. He does not think that the mere existence of helmet
    laws constitutes a reason to always wear one ("There are plenty of
    bad laws," he says, and he is right).

    He admits that there are many reasons that he does not want to wear a
    helmet, that are unrelated to safety (e.g., comfort, convenience),
    but believes that for most short-distance bike riding, there is no
    objective safety-relatedreason for him to wear a helmet on every
    single trip, because (a) the probability of an accident is extremely
    low, (b) he "knows how to be careful" and minimize the probability
    of an accident, (c) if he were to get into a SERIOUS accident, such
    as being RUN OVER by a car, the helmet would not save him anyway,
    (d) wearing the helmet does not change the probability of an
    accident happening.

    In order to get more reliable information, we agreed on two
    approaches: (1) we'd look for impartial scientific studies that show
    whether consistently wearing a helmet can or cannot significantly
    reduce the risk of severe injury in the event of a biking accident
    -- so much so as to make it reasonable to have to wear a helmet on
    each and every trip; (2) we'd ask in a forum of random bikers and
    bike enthiasts whether or not THEY wear helmets on each and every
    trip, and why.

    So that's what I'm doing. Please weigh in with your thoughts. Also,
    if you know of any reliable studies on this matter, please post a
    link.

    Thanks.

    Dear J.,

    Here's a good place to start:

    http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documents/maxi-faq-helmets?OpenDocument

    LOL

    Q. I'd like to read some objective material about current political issues.

    A. Try MoveOn.Org or HowardDeanScreams.com. LOTS of material!

  17. I can only offer my own experience, having never done any research or
    even tried to survey other riders. I've ridden bicycles since 1993
    (and before that was a runner for 13 years), and twice in that period
    have experienced "accidents" that necessitated replacement of the
    helmet. About the only times I haven't worn a helmet have been the few
    short test rides I take about a quarter mile around my house, but never
    on public streets (I live in a closed seniors mobile home community
    with private streets).

    One accident was going head over the handlebars when my rear wheel
    locked up on a piece of the gear bag in back. I broke my collar bone,
    and had it not been on a grassy downslope my face and head would have
    been red meat. As it was, the helmet took most of the beating to my
    head. I was only 3.5 miles from home at the local high school where
    I'd planned to run at the track, so no other vehicles or people were
    involved in the episode. I bought a new helmet as soon as I was able
    to ride again.

    The second accident was slipping and going down hard on a San Francisco
    street as a result of crossing a railroad track in the street at the
    wrong angle. I was only about 1/2 mile from my starting point (near
    Candlestick Park) where I'd "camped" with my motorhome. The helmet was
    badly damaged and had a very large, 1" crack in the side where it had
    struck the street. Imagine if that had been my head!!! I kept that
    damaged helmet just to show people what kind of protection it had
    offerred. There was no traffic at all (this was an industrial area on
    Saturday morning), and fortunately a passing off-duty police officer
    helped me get back on my feet so I could at least ride back to where I
    was staying. I recall feeling tired when I got back so decided to lay
    down for a time, and woke up two hours later. Undoubtedly, I had
    sustained at least a mild concussion, but no lasting injuries as far as
    I know. That afternoon I bought a new helmet.

    I'm sold on helmets and was in the beginning anyway as soon as I
    started riding seriously. Intuitively, they help in any case when your
    head strikes some solid object, be it the ground, a curb, or whatever.
    My former lawfirm defended football helmet "injury" cases, and the
    solid evidence was that helmets did in fact offer protection against
    head injuries. Ask yourself, Why do football players wear them? The
    answer is self-evident. Air Force and other military types wear
    helmets when flying and they aren't doing it just because some
    manufacturer sold them a bill of goods. Construction workers wear
    helmets to protect them from falling and flying objects, and I'll bet a
    survey of those types will disclose any number who've been struck by
    such things.

    Good luck in bicycling, and do wear a helmet!!!

    Dave

    Quoted message said:

    My teenage son and I have a difference of opinion regarding helmets. I
    believe, intuitively (I have not actually done the research yet) that
    helmets can make a significant difference to the severity of injury in
    the event of an accident. My son believes this is a misconception that
    has never been proven, and that it is being strongly advanced by
    entities with a vested interest, such as helmet manufacturers. He does
    not think that the mere existence of helmet laws constitutes a reason
    to always wear one ("There are plenty of bad laws," he says, and he is
    right).

    He admits that there are many reasons that he does not want to wear a
    helmet, that are unrelated to safety (e.g., comfort, convenience), but
    believes that for most short-distance bike riding, there is no
    objective safety-relatedreason for him to wear a helmet on every single
    trip, because (a) the probability of an accident is extremely low, (b)
    he "knows how to be careful" and minimize the probability of an
    accident, (c) if he were to get into a SERIOUS accident, such as being
    RUN OVER by a car, the helmet would not save him anyway, (d) wearing
    the helmet does not change the probability of an accident happening.

    In order to get more reliable information, we agreed on two approaches:
    (1) we'd look for impartial scientific studies that show whether
    consistently wearing a helmet can or cannot significantly reduce the
    risk of severe injury in the event of a biking accident -- so much so
    as to make it reasonable to have to wear a helmet on each and every
    trip; (2) we'd ask in a forum of random bikers and bike enthiasts
    whether or not THEY wear helmets on each and every trip, and why.

    So that's what I'm doing. Please weigh in with your thoughts. Also, if
    you know of any reliable studies on this matter, please post a link.

    Thanks.

  18. DC1999 said:

    I can only offer my own experience, having never done any research or
    even tried to survey other riders. I've ridden bicycles since 1993
    (and before that was a runner for 13 years), and twice in that period
    have experienced "accidents" that necessitated replacement of the
    helmet. About the only times I haven't worn a helmet have been the
    few short test rides I take about a quarter mile around my house, but
    never on public streets (I live in a closed seniors mobile home
    community with private streets).

    One accident was going head over the handlebars when my rear wheel
    locked up on a piece of the gear bag in back. I broke my collar bone,
    and had it not been on a grassy downslope my face and head would have
    been red meat. As it was, the helmet took most of the beating to my
    head. I was only 3.5 miles from home at the local high school where
    I'd planned to run at the track, so no other vehicles or people were
    involved in the episode. I bought a new helmet as soon as I was able
    to ride again.

    The second accident was slipping and going down hard on a San
    Francisco street as a result of crossing a railroad track in the
    street at the wrong angle. I was only about 1/2 mile from my
    starting point (near Candlestick Park) where I'd "camped" with my
    motorhome. The helmet was badly damaged and had a very large, 1"
    crack in the side where it had struck the street. Imagine if that
    had been my head!!! I kept that damaged helmet just to show people
    what kind of protection it had offerred. There was no traffic at all
    (this was an industrial area on Saturday morning), and fortunately a
    passing off-duty police officer helped me get back on my feet so I
    could at least ride back to where I was staying. I recall feeling
    tired when I got back so decided to lay down for a time, and woke up
    two hours later. Undoubtedly, I had sustained at least a mild
    concussion, but no lasting injuries as far as I know. That
    afternoon I bought a new helmet.

    I'm sold on helmets and was in the beginning anyway as soon as I
    started riding seriously. Intuitively, they help in any case when
    your head strikes some solid object, be it the ground, a curb, or
    whatever. My former lawfirm defended football helmet "injury" cases,
    and the solid evidence was that helmets did in fact offer protection
    against head injuries. Ask yourself, Why do football players wear
    them? The answer is self-evident. Air Force and other military
    types wear helmets when flying and they aren't doing it just because
    some manufacturer sold them a bill of goods. Construction workers
    wear helmets to protect them from falling and flying objects, and
    I'll bet a survey of those types will disclose any number who've been
    struck by such things.

    Good luck in bicycling, and do wear a helmet!!!

    Dave

    Sorry, Dave. Personal experience and common sense have no standing with
    regard to this subject. Persist with your well-reasoned opinion and you
    will be flamed and shamed.

    (Thankfully, this is RBMisc. Treatment will be /slightly/ gentler than in
    RBT.)

  19. In article <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    He's correct on point c, as well. One study of about 20 cycling deaths
    in Aukland, NZ (i.e. all the fatalities in the time period under study)
    found that all of the non-helmeted cyclists died of multiple injuries,
    not simple head injuries, so helmets would not have saved them. Only
    one cyclist died of simple head injury, and he was helmeted. (Sage M,
    Cairns F, Koelmeyer T, Smeeton W. Fatal injuries to bicycle riders in
    Auckland. N Z Med J. 1985;98:1073-4.)

    Small sample, and sub-selected group. Those who wore helmet and had an
    impact may have been protected and therefore won't need to attend the
    hospital. You have to look at the study design. One study does not a
    bible make.
    --

  20. Huh???

    Bill Sornson said:
    DC1999 said:

    I can only offer my own experience, having never done any research or
    even tried to survey other riders. I've ridden bicycles since 1993
    (and before that was a runner for 13 years), and twice in that period
    have experienced "accidents" that necessitated replacement of the
    helmet. About the only times I haven't worn a helmet have been the
    few short test rides I take about a quarter mile around my house, but
    never on public streets (I live in a closed seniors mobile home
    community with private streets).

    One accident was going head over the handlebars when my rear wheel
    locked up on a piece of the gear bag in back. I broke my collar bone,
    and had it not been on a grassy downslope my face and head would have
    been red meat. As it was, the helmet took most of the beating to my
    head. I was only 3.5 miles from home at the local high school where
    I'd planned to run at the track, so no other vehicles or people were
    involved in the episode. I bought a new helmet as soon as I was able
    to ride again.

    The second accident was slipping and going down hard on a San
    Francisco street as a result of crossing a railroad track in the
    street at the wrong angle. I was only about 1/2 mile from my
    starting point (near Candlestick Park) where I'd "camped" with my
    motorhome. The helmet was badly damaged and had a very large, 1"
    crack in the side where it had struck the street. Imagine if that
    had been my head!!! I kept that damaged helmet just to show people
    what kind of protection it had offerred. There was no traffic at all
    (this was an industrial area on Saturday morning), and fortunately a
    passing off-duty police officer helped me get back on my feet so I
    could at least ride back to where I was staying. I recall feeling
    tired when I got back so decided to lay down for a time, and woke up
    two hours later. Undoubtedly, I had sustained at least a mild
    concussion, but no lasting injuries as far as I know. That
    afternoon I bought a new helmet.

    I'm sold on helmets and was in the beginning anyway as soon as I
    started riding seriously. Intuitively, they help in any case when
    your head strikes some solid object, be it the ground, a curb, or
    whatever. My former lawfirm defended football helmet "injury" cases,
    and the solid evidence was that helmets did in fact offer protection
    against head injuries. Ask yourself, Why do football players wear
    them? The answer is self-evident. Air Force and other military
    types wear helmets when flying and they aren't doing it just because
    some manufacturer sold them a bill of goods. Construction workers
    wear helmets to protect them from falling and flying objects, and
    I'll bet a survey of those types will disclose any number who've been
    struck by such things.

    Good luck in bicycling, and do wear a helmet!!!

    Dave

    Sorry, Dave. Personal experience and common sense have no standing with
    regard to this subject. Persist with your well-reasoned opinion and you
    will be flamed and shamed.

    (Thankfully, this is RBMisc. Treatment will be /slightly/ gentler than in
    RBT.)

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