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  1. Today (23rd) is St George's day

    Patron Saint of England, although about 25 per cent of the population
    have never heard of him and flying his flag is deprecated by Tony Bliar
    and his cronies who don't want to upset any recently arrived non Christian
    Fundamentalist potential voters.

    But in case you did not know, England's Flag, the Cross of St George,
    is represented by the broad red cross on the white ground in the piccy
    below.

    The Union Flag (Jack) in the upper left quadrant turns the flag into the
    Royal Navy Battle Flag, the same flag that Nelson proudly flew at
    Copenhagen
    and Trafalgar.

    http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5140/navalensign8zs.png

    And if such a significant portion of the population have no knowledge of
    who
    the Patron Saint of England is, and an even more staggering portion of the
    population have no notion of when his Saint's Day is celebrated, it's high
    time
    they cancelled the current heritage [censored] they teach in the schools in
    favour of
    more traditional values.

    And Shakespeare, whose birthday also falls today, would be more than happy
    to see
    the "God for Harry, England and St. George" speech from Henry V. performed
    again
    in theatres across what remains of England and the British Nation.

    Never in the 400 plus years since Drake's death has the Nation stood in
    greater need
    of some valiant Nationalist like Nick Griffin to make the pilgrimage to
    Plymouth to
    Beat the Hell out of Drake's Drum

    http://www.paranormality.com/drakes_drum.shtml

    http://www.bartleby.com/103/41.html in the

    --
    Davey on the Road

  2. Davey Crockett said:

    Today (23rd) is St George's day

    Patron Saint of England, although about 25 per cent of the population
    have never heard of him and flying his flag is deprecated by Tony Bliar
    and his cronies who don't want to upset any recently arrived non Christian
    Fundamentalist potential voters.

    But in case you did not know, England's Flag, the Cross of St George,
    is represented by the broad red cross on the white ground in the piccy
    below.

    The Union Flag (Jack) in the upper left quadrant turns the flag into the
    Royal Navy Battle Flag, the same flag that Nelson proudly flew at
    Copenhagen
    and Trafalgar.

    http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5140/navalensign8zs.png

    And if such a significant portion of the population have no knowledge of
    who
    the Patron Saint of England is, and an even more staggering portion of the
    population have no notion of when his Saint's Day is celebrated, it's high
    time
    they cancelled the current heritage [censored] they teach in the schools in
    favour of
    more traditional values.

    And Shakespeare, whose birthday also falls today, would be more than happy
    to see
    the "God for Harry, England and St. George" speech from Henry V. performed
    again
    in theatres across what remains of England and the British Nation.

    Never in the 400 plus years since Drake's death has the Nation stood in
    greater need
    of some valiant Nationalist like Nick Griffin to make the pilgrimage to
    Plymouth to
    Beat the Hell out of Drake's Drum

    http://www.paranormality.com/drakes_drum.shtml

    http://www.bartleby.com/103/41.html in the

    --
    Davey on the Road

    Hey Davey
    I'm really not sure haven't stopped making the men & women here in the
    west that would be there for the call and the fight after.
    More likely they'd be busily negotiating and soul searching when they
    were overrun and the only race would be to see who could surrender
    first.
    Todays mottos are better red than dead (insert any replacement for red
    that occurs), and Better to live a slave than die a free man.
    Long Live John Bull
    Bill C

  3. Bill C said:
    Davey Crockett said:

    Today (23rd) is St George's day

    Patron Saint of England, although about 25 per cent of the population
    have never heard of him and flying his flag is deprecated by Tony Bliar
    and his cronies who don't want to upset any recently arrived non Christian
    Fundamentalist potential voters.

    But in case you did not know, England's Flag, the Cross of St George,
    is represented by the broad red cross on the white ground in the piccy
    below.

    The Union Flag (Jack) in the upper left quadrant turns the flag into the
    Royal Navy Battle Flag, the same flag that Nelson proudly flew at
    Copenhagen
    and Trafalgar.

    http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/5140/navalensign8zs.png

    And if such a significant portion of the population have no knowledge of
    who
    the Patron Saint of England is, and an even more staggering portion of the
    population have no notion of when his Saint's Day is celebrated, it's high
    time
    they cancelled the current heritage [censored] they teach in the schools in
    favour of
    more traditional values.

    And Shakespeare, whose birthday also falls today, would be more than happy
    to see
    the "God for Harry, England and St. George" speech from Henry V. performed
    again
    in theatres across what remains of England and the British Nation.

    Never in the 400 plus years since Drake's death has the Nation stood in
    greater need
    of some valiant Nationalist like Nick Griffin to make the pilgrimage to
    Plymouth to
    Beat the Hell out of Drake's Drum

    http://www.paranormality.com/drakes_drum.shtml

    http://www.bartleby.com/103/41.html in the

    --
    Davey on the Road

    Hey Davey
    I'm really not sure haven't stopped making the men & women here in the
    west that would be there for the call and the fight after.
    More likely they'd be busily negotiating and soul searching when they
    were overrun and the only race would be to see who could surrender
    first.
    Todays mottos are better red than dead (insert any replacement for red
    that occurs), and Better to live a slave than die a free man.
    Long Live John Bull
    Bill C

    Don't think I'd pick Griffin to lead the way though if we are looking
    at the same one.

  4. Bill C said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hey Davey
    I'm really not sure haven't stopped making the men & women here in the
    west that would be there for the call and the fight after.
    More likely they'd be busily negotiating and soul searching when they
    were overrun and the only race would be to see who could surrender
    first.
    Todays mottos are better red than dead (insert any replacement for red
    that occurs), and Better to live a slave than die a free man.
    Long Live John Bull
    Bill C

    Don't think I'd pick Griffin to lead the way though if we are looking
    at the same one.

    The problem is, Bill, that there is terrible disorder in the British
    Isles currently and the current government, in the interests of retaining
    votes, is doing absolutely nothing about it.

    Any dissenters who even obliquely suggest that multiculturalism is an
    utter failure are branded "Racist" or "Nazi", but nevertheless many
    of the current problems stem from the failed multicultural experiment.

    It seems there are two sets of rules and the indigenous peoples get the
    shaft every time.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21502

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=878

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=874

    Nick Griffin may not be the best man in the world to tackle the problem,
    but he's all there is on the horizon currently, at least in the UK, and if
    press reports are reliable, he's picking up an awful lot of support from
    both traditional Labour and Conservative voters.

    --
    Davey on the Road

  5. Davey Crockett said:
    Bill C said:
    Quoted message said:

    Hey Davey
    I'm really not sure haven't stopped making the men & women here in the
    west that would be there for the call and the fight after.
    More likely they'd be busily negotiating and soul searching when they
    were overrun and the only race would be to see who could surrender
    first.
    Todays mottos are better red than dead (insert any replacement for red
    that occurs), and Better to live a slave than die a free man.
    Long Live John Bull
    Bill C

    Don't think I'd pick Griffin to lead the way though if we are looking
    at the same one.

    The problem is, Bill, that there is terrible disorder in the British
    Isles currently and the current government, in the interests of retaining
    votes, is doing absolutely nothing about it.

    Any dissenters who even obliquely suggest that multiculturalism is an
    utter failure are branded "Racist" or "Nazi", but nevertheless many
    of the current problems stem from the failed multicultural experiment.

    It seems there are two sets of rules and the indigenous peoples get the
    shaft every time.

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=21502

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=878

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/news_detail.php?newsId=874

    Nick Griffin may not be the best man in the world to tackle the problem,
    but he's all there is on the horizon currently, at least in the UK, and if
    press reports are reliable, he's picking up an awful lot of support from
    both traditional Labour and Conservative voters.

    --
    Davey on the Road

    We're having a lot of the same here. It really bothers me more for
    Britain though because of the long, proud history and contributions
    they have made that are being buried under a collective guilt trip
    that's been imposed on them. I feel the same way about Germany too.
    There's an indefensible 20 year period out of 1500 years of culture and
    contributions yet they have been beaten to death. The younger
    generation was finally showing signs of being proud to be German again
    when we left. It was a good thing to see.
    Bill C

  6. "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:


    contributions yet they have been beaten to death. The younger
    generation was finally showing signs of being proud to be German again
    when we left. It was a good thing to see.

    But then they go to Holland where they act like obnoxious Americans in
    Canada. And the Dutch love to hate 'em.

  7. Davey Crockett said:

    Any dissenters who even obliquely suggest that multiculturalism is an
    utter failure are branded "Racist" or "Nazi", but nevertheless many
    of the current problems stem from the failed multicultural experiment.

    I'd have to agree that the multicultural experiment in which a group of
    franco-scandinavian invaders ruled over a motley crew of germans and
    celts has certainly left the UK with its lot of problems: a bottom
    stratum of ignorant louts ruled over by a bunch of inbred effete snobs.
    Thank goodness the Paki and Africans are renewing the gene pool!

  8. Bill C said:


    We're having a lot of the same here. It really bothers me more for
    Britain though because of the long, proud history and contributions
    they have made that are being buried under a collective guilt trip
    that's been imposed on them. I feel the same way about Germany too.
    There's an indefensible 20 year period out of 1500 years of culture and
    contributions yet they have been beaten to death. The younger
    generation was finally showing signs of being proud to be German again
    when we left. It was a good thing to see.

    I have been attending the Ernst Zundel trial at Mannheim, and but
    for the tragic comedy of someone being tried for thought crime
    because a spineless government bows to the zionist holoco$t lobby,
    the trial would be a better farce than Aristophanes' Lysistrata.

    What you have to understand at the outset is that Germany has no
    constitution. Instead, the BRD/Bundesrepublik has something called a
    "Basic Law" which is pretty Draconian. On paper, the BRD was installed
    in 1945 as an interim government that would expire as soon as the people
    would be able to elect a government to their needs and liking.

    Now this "Basic Law" unctuously proclaims on paper that Germany is a
    "democracy". It includes a lofty provision for Freedom of Speech and
    Assembly.
    However, the "Holocaust" is held to be so utterly "self-evident" that
    there has
    got to be an exception to prove a worthy rule, and therefore, a statute
    called
    Paragraph 130 was spawned. It is swung by obliging judges like a club
    against
    those who dare "sin" against anybody who, in parlance, who "defames the
    memory
    of the dead" and "incites the people" with questions challenging the
    Holocaust.

    "Legally", as Germany exists today, a defense based on facts and evidence
    that
    would show up the Holocaust as the concocted monstrosity it is, is utterly
    impossible - and immediately brutally clubbed down by judges who are
    willing to
    please. Attorneys who try to defend those who run afoul of Paragraph 130
    by
    conducting themselves according to globally accepted standards of justice
    merely
    endanger themselves of contravening Paragraph 130. To paraphrase Orwell,
    all
    German people have free speech, but some have more free speech than others
    - just
    as nobody's dead must be defamed, but most can be defamed, as long as some
    are
    shielded.

    The charges are under various statutes, acts and protocols, and some
    unspecified
    upon which the judge refuses to elaborate.

    There are six attorneys making up the defense - three defense appointed,
    and
    three assigned by the government, ostensibly as "public defenders", whose
    duty is,
    as you and I surmise, to spy on strategy and move the trial to a speedy
    conclusion
    and conviction.

    Now it so happens that one of these three "public defenders" is Dr. Bock,
    a most
    distinguished, white-haired gentleman whom the defence consider as being
    on their
    wavelength due to his long and vigorous defense of other defendants who
    transgressed
    against Paragraph 130. That leaves two dismayed fellows who "don't enjoy
    the trust of
    Mr. Zundel," as it was pointed out by one of the Zundel attorneys in one
    of the hearings.
    They sit behind the main team, out of earshot, fuming!

    A young, attractive lady, Sylvia Stolz, is the lead Zundel attorney - a
    genuine Magnolia
    beauty hiding a spine of steel. From all I heard, Dr. Meinerzhagen, the
    judge in this
    trial, is no match at all against Attorney Stolz. She refuses to address
    him by title.
    He looks and acts apoplectic. When he talks, she talks, too - parallel.
    When he pulls
    the cord to prevent her from speaking, she turns around and addresses the
    audience directly.
    She is superbly unruffled and sweetly in control. She bests him with
    every move.

    To the glee of the courtroom spectators, Dr. Meinerzhagen has often
    ridiculously lost his cool.
    When an elderly woman laughed loudly at some of the point-counterpoint
    sparring, he ordered
    her up front and lectured an old lady as though she were a kindergartner.
    When one of Zundel's
    supporters called him a name that wasn't his name - comparing him to a
    notorious judge in
    those unmentionable times - he had the man arrested on the spot and thrown
    in jail for 4 days.

    When, after the hearing was over, a spontaneous Singing Quartet in the
    audience launched the
    first verse of "Deutschland über alles" - certain verses forbidden by
    Germany's vigilant censors,
    even though it is a song with a long, distinguished history that was not
    dreamed up by the
    Wicked Regime - Meinerzhagen fined the would-be Barbershoppers 200 Euros
    apiece - a fine that
    was immediately collected in the audience by disbarred Attorney Mahler
    passing the hat.

    The comedy goes on and on, from hearing to hearing, and it's tough to keep
    all the high points
    in the precise time sequence.

    Earlier in the hearings, Meinerzhagen objected to disbarred attorney Horst
    Mahler sitting behind
    Sylvia Stolz since he is disbarred currently. Stolz responded that he was
    merely an assistant and
    that she had "mistakenly" thought that she could choose anyone she liked
    as an assistant. The judge,
    however thought differently and Mahler removed himself back to the
    spectator area of the court room.
    [Mahler defended the Bader-Meinhof conspirators before becoming a little
    too closely involved
    in protest himself and serving a jail term]

    All this caused an uproar from the public provoking the judge to threaten
    to lock the public out.

    Stolz had requested a closed trial at one stage and this too was denied.
    The point being that
    any defense put up by the Zundel team, if made in open court, would render
    the lawyers
    themselves in contravention of Article 130, but a closed trial does not
    suit the purposes
    of the prosecution and it seems to Davey that attorney Stolz is reconciled
    to being
    prosecuted herself under that infamous article.

    Stolz at one stage accused the judge of not being impartial, a fact self
    evident to anyone in the
    court, and appealed to a higher court to remove him since he would not
    remove himself but that
    ruse failed too as expected.

    A couple of weeks ago Stolz was carried out of the courtroom. Attorney
    Sylvia Stolz had been
    excluded from the court , but she appeared in court and refused to obey
    the order of Judge
    Meinerzhagen. Thereupon, two female guards carried her out.

    As she was carried out she shouted "Seit 60 Jahren verzichtet das deutsche
    Volk auf seine
    Freiheit, sich selbst zu regieren. Diesem schlechten Beispiel folge ich
    nicht.
    Richter Meinerzhagen stehe in der Tradition der Nürnberger Prozesse, 'des
    Lynchens ohne Recht' ".
    [For 60 years, the German people have resigned themselves to the fact that
    they did not have
    the freedom to rule themselves. I am not following that bad example."
    Judge Meinerzhagen
    functioned in the tradition of the Nuremberg Trials, "a lynching outside
    the law."]

    There is absolutely no truth to the reports in some media that she shouted
    "Heil [censored]"
    as she was being removed.

    There is an appeal from Stolz' exclusion and more should be known this
    week.

    Surprisingly, the police and court officials seem very supportive of
    Zundel and there
    is a growing interest in the trial especially now that the cowardly Dutch
    have deported
    Siegfried Verbeke

    Stolz defends herself against Meinerzhagen’s personal attacks against her:

    On Behalf of the German Reich, Without Commission
    SylviaStolz, Attorney at Law
    Personal Response
    In the Criminal Case of Ernst Zündel
    District Court of Mannheim 6 KLs 503 Js 4/96

    Following is my position regarding Dr. Meinerzhagen’s personal attacks on
    me, which occurred
    during the session of 16 February 2006 .

    Dr. Meinerzhagen has seen fit to present the extraordinary course of the
    main proceedings
    as the result of “unprofessional conduct” on the part of the defense
    attorney. He combined
    that with the explanation that the court intends to ascertain the
    possibility of removing
    me from the trial. With this explanation he intends to mislead the
    uninformed public about
    events in the Zündel trial.

    The chain of events described here began with my written Defense Brief
    dated 18 October 2005 .
    In this brief I outlined the basic lines of Mr. Ernst Zündel’s defense as
    I intended to develop
    them. I also requested a continuance of the trial until the Federal
    Constitutional Court makes
    its decision concerning the incompatibility of § 130 III StGB-BRD
    (Paragraph 130 Section III)
    “Incitement of the People in Form of Denying Holocaust” with individual
    rights guaranteed by
    the Basic Law.

    The criminal court has the responsibility of deciding the matter on
    grounds of factuality
    and legality. In their ruling of 7 November 2005 Dr. Meinerzhagen, Mr.
    Hamm and Ms. Krebs-Dörr
    rejected the motions which I had submitted. Misusing their positions of
    authority, they also
    disseminated serious slanders against me. Without considering the factual
    content of the defense
    brief of 18 Oct 2005 , they quoted portions of the brief out of context ,
    thus perverting its
    meaning. They disqualified my presentation as “Incitement to Hatred
    Against Jews
    (§130 I Nr. StGB) and “Auschwitz Lie Presented in a Particularly
    Aggressive Fashion.”
    They went so far as to use the expression “Incitement against the Jewish
    population”
    to describe my reference to “die Richterschaft” (Page 3 of the ruling.)

    Neither presiding judges nor their spokespersons are authorized to censure
    a defense attorney
    on account of her motion or other conduct of the trial or to declare her
    conduct as culpable
    or unprofessional. It is not the role of the court to supervise the
    defense or to decide whether
    the defense is carrying out its duties properly. The attorney for the
    defense bears sole
    responsibility for that defense; she is an independent agent in conduct of
    the law.

    I could have disregarded all that. I am aware that I have broken the most
    rigidly enforced
    taboo in the intellectual landscape of politically correct “Western
    Values,” and I can endure
    the aggressions released against me by violating such taboos.

    What I can not tolerate is the proclamation by the above named persons that
    “under no circumstances” will they allow “discussion of criminal
    violations of
    Paragraph 130 Section I during the main trial.” They threatened to
    “vigorously reject every
    attempt by the defense to publicly disseminate incitement” (Page 3 of
    Ruling).
    By “publicly disseminate,” Dr. Meinerzhagen, Hamm and Krebs-Dörr are
    referring to my reading
    in the main trial, the evidentiary exhibits I had announced in my
    submission of 18 October 2005 .
    The law clearly prescribes such a reading, however.

    In the defense brief I had stated that in defending Mr. Zündel I would
    attack the
    “Offenkundigkeit des Holocausts” Manifest Obviousness of the Holocaust) as
    dogma put forth by
    Jewish organizations. I said I would prove with objective and
    scientifically verifiable evidence
    that this “Manifest Obviousness” has been illusory from its very inception.

    The above named persons were perfectly aware of the weight of my argument
    from the exhibits
    submitted with the Defense Brief, namely the book “Lectures on Holocaust”
    by Germar Rudolf
    and the evidentiary motion by attorney Horst Mahler, which he had also
    submitted in his own
    behalf during the Berlin Judaism trial. My Defense Brief also included
    references to the founding
    speech by the expert on national and international law, Dr. Carlo Schmid,
    before the
    Parliamentary Council on 8 September 1948, as well as references to
    Article 146 of the Basic Law
    and references to ongoing rulings by the Constitutional Court that
    reaffirm the continuing
    existence of the Reich.

    I also announced that I would submit evidentiary motions designed to prove
    the following:
    1) The Federal Republic of Germany is not a nation or state, but rather,
    in Prof. Carlo Schmid’s
    words, an “Organizational Form of a Modality of Foreign Domination” (OMF);
    that is,
    foreign domination that has not legitimate, but rather purely factual
    significance;
    2) The main victor of the Second World War, by means of this apparatus of
    foreign domination and
    in continuation of its war of annihilation against the German Reich, is
    continuing to pursue
    its war aim, which is the annihilation of the German nation as a racially
    and intellectually
    comprehensive community.
    It is pursuing this war aim by means of psychological warfare,
    specifically and in particular
    with the “ Auschwitz cudgel.”
    3) Consequently, the prosecution of the German freedom fighter Ernst
    Zündel constitutes a warlike
    act by our enemies, who are using the courts of the OMF-BRD as an elite
    troop against the
    German nation, specifically in the realm of Holocaust legislation.
    The signers of the court order dated 7 November 2005 are in fact declaring
    their intentions
    to keep these proceedings secret. In order to hide their true intentions,
    they are prepared
    to abandon legitimate criminal procedure and “muzzle” me by means of a
    court ordered obligation
    to present all motions in written form only, without benefit of reading
    them aloud before the Court.
    They would not have arrived at such a drastic decision if they had really
    believed that the
    arguments of the Defense were “ridiculous” and the attorney for the
    defense “out of her mind.”
    There is nothing they would have liked better than to see me make myself
    ridiculous with absurd
    arguments for which there is no documentary or forensic evidence. However,
    they now realize that
    this is not going to happen. They know that the arguments of the defense
    are factually irrefutable.
    In Paragraph 130, Section III of Penal Code, the court ruling of 7 Nov
    2005 includes the contention
    that genocide of the Jews (called Holocaust) “is factually presumed” so
    that “every defense motion
    to prove this is disallowed” (Page 2 of ruling.) Let us put this statement
    to a little test.
    Given this tatbestandliche Voraussetzung (presumption that a criminal act
    has been committed),
    would not a judge still be required to rule in a Holocaust Denial case,
    even If he himself
    (possibly after reading a scientific study such as Germar Rudolf’s
    “Lectures on the Holocaust”)
    were convinced that the “Holocaust Industry” is a Jewish fabrication? Such
    a ruling would
    constitute a verdict against the truth as perceived by the judge. Any
    judge who issued such
    a verdict would be breaking his sworn oath, namely: “I swear to the best
    of my knowledge and
    conscience, to judge and to pursue no ends except truth and justice.”
    Would Dr. Meinerzhagen,
    Mr. Hamm and Ms. Dörr-Krebs (judges in the present Zündel trial) sign
    statements to the effect
    that in such a situation, they would judge and act in violation of the
    oath they took as judges?
    This would be extremely unlikely.
    The point to be made is: in reaching his verdict, a judge’s misgivings
    about “Holocaust” clearly
    constitute an obstacle to his deciding against conviction. When this
    happens in a trial, the
    efforts of the defense to create precisely this obstacle by means of
    scientifically verifiable
    evidentiary offerings cannot legitimately be suppressed as “alien to the
    defense.” A motion to
    present such evidence would in fact be the Königsweg (high road) to a
    verdict of “not guilty,”
    thus making it incumbent upon counsel to follow this very path.
    In view of this, do the above named jurists still persist in their illegal
    and unethical refusal
    to consider evidence? Do they prefer to leave it to chance and
    co-incidence, whether or not, on
    basis of his personal knowledge, a judge has doubts concerning “Holocaust?”
    The picture is rounded out by Dr. Meinerzhagen’s procedural disposition
    announced on 16 February 2006
    concerning Selbstleseverfahren, the introduction of the collected texts of
    Ernst Zündel into the
    main proceedings. The court wants a “ghost trial,” a show trial carried
    out through secret proceedings,
    in which the public can learn absolutely nothing about what is really
    going on. From the very
    beginning, Judge Meinerzhagen has illegally directed the prosecution,
    repeatedly disrupted the main
    proceedings with his machinations, and brought the entire trial to the
    verge of collapse.
    His rulings to muzzle me were acts of despotic supremacy placing „den
    Makel der Nichtigkeit
    auf der Stirn“ (“branding my forehead with the Stigma of Invalidity.”)
    I hereby give notice that I intend to oppose to the limits of my ability
    this assault on the most
    hallowed principles of German criminal justice. When I circumvent the
    illegal rulings of
    Dr. Meinerzhagen and explain the efforts of the defense to the public, I
    am performing my duty
    and exercising the right to defend Ernst Zündel and the German Reich.
    Sylvia Stolz

    --
    Davey on the Road

  9. Jim Flom said:

    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:


    contributions yet they have been beaten to death. The younger
    generation was finally showing signs of being proud to be German again
    when we left. It was a good thing to see.

    But then they go to Holland where they act like obnoxious Americans in
    Canada. And the Dutch love to hate 'em.

    Yep, and you should hear what the Germans say about the Brits and
    Americans...Personally, I think it's a youth/teen exuberance and
    freedom thing not a cultural thing. Though I have never heard anything
    bad about Canadian travelers, except lot's of [censored] about "Blue
    Haired Snow Birds clogging up the damned roads" in Fla. ;-0
    Bill C

  10. Jim Flom said:

    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:


    contributions yet they have been beaten to death. The younger
    generation was finally showing signs of being proud to be German again
    when we left. It was a good thing to see.

    But then they go to Holland where they act like obnoxious Americans in
    Canada. And the Dutch love to hate 'em.

    Yep, and you should hear what the Germans say about the Brits and
    Americans...Personally, I think it's a youth/teen exuberance and
    freedom thing not a cultural thing. Though I have never heard anything
    bad about Canadian travelers, except lot's of [censored] about "Blue
    Haired Snow Birds clogging up the damned roads" in Fla. ;-0
    Bill C

  11. In article <op.s8ghe3apqim798@darkstar>,
    "Davey Crockett" <davey.crockett@wanadoo_is_shit.fr>

    Quoted message said:
    Bill C said:


    We're having a lot of the same here. It really bothers me more for
    Britain though because of the long, proud history and contributions
    they have made that are being buried under a collective guilt trip
    that's been imposed on them. I feel the same way about Germany too.
    There's an indefensible 20 year period out of 1500 years of culture and
    contributions yet they have been beaten to death. The younger
    generation was finally showing signs of being proud to be German again
    when we left. It was a good thing to see.

    I have been attending the Ernst Zundel trial at Mannheim, and but
    for the tragic comedy of someone being tried for thought crime
    because a spineless government bows to the zionist holoco$t lobby,
    the trial would be a better farce than Aristophanes' Lysistrata.

    What you have to understand at the outset is that Germany has no
    constitution. Instead, the BRD/Bundesrepublik has something called a
    "Basic Law" which is pretty Draconian. On paper, the BRD was installed
    in 1945 as an interim government that would expire as soon as the people
    would be able to elect a government to their needs and liking.

    Now this "Basic Law" unctuously proclaims on paper that Germany is a
    "democracy". It includes a lofty provision for Freedom of Speech and
    Assembly.

    [...]

    What are you getting at here? Looks like two wrong-headed
    parties engaged in a public display of bad temper, abusing
    the court system, shouting their own lies, and persuading
    people to choose between two astoundingly bad
    alternatives.

    How about formatting your articles to uniform line width
    at fewer than 72 characters?

    --
    Michael Press

  12. Michael Press said:

    What are you getting at here? Looks like two wrong-headed
    parties engaged in a public display of bad temper, abusing
    the court system, shouting their own lies, and persuading
    people to choose between two astoundingly bad
    alternatives.

    There are much more important issues at stake here
    if you take the time to think about it

    Quoted message said:


    How about formatting your articles to uniform line width
    at fewer than 72 characters?

    I'm doing my best to keep the line length down using
    whatever proggys I can get access to on the road

    --
    Davey on the Road

  13. "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:uaA2g.5904$Fd6.4809
    @edtnps82:

    Quoted message said:

    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:


    contributions yet they have been beaten to death. The younger
    generation was finally showing signs of being proud to be German again
    when we left. It was a good thing to see.

    But then they go to Holland where they act like obnoxious Americans in
    Canada. And the Dutch love to hate 'em.

    In my experience, Germans don't act that obnoxious. Most of them don't even
    try to speak their own language here in Amsterdam - they assume nobody
    understands or appreciates German.

    What I like most about Germans is the very careful way they drive around
    cyclists.

    Generally, the most obnoxious foreign people tend to be American expats...

  14. Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

    "Jim Flom" <[email hidden]> wrote in news:uaA2g.5904$Fd6.4809
    @edtnps82:

    Quoted message said:

    "Bill C" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:


    contributions yet they have been beaten to death. The younger
    generation was finally showing signs of being proud to be German again
    when we left. It was a good thing to see.

    But then they go to Holland where they act like obnoxious Americans in
    Canada. And the Dutch love to hate 'em.

    In my experience, Germans don't act that obnoxious. Most of them don't even
    try to speak their own language here in Amsterdam - they assume nobody
    understands or appreciates German.

    What I like most about Germans is the very careful way they drive around
    cyclists.

    Generally, the most obnoxious foreign people tend to be American expats...

    We LOVED riding in Germany. The best experience was one day when I was
    out with my son and he was in his Kaiserslautern gear. We came
    hammering down a hill and through a village center, one of the old guys
    hanging out jumped on his moped and caught up with us yelling and
    cheering us on as we then turned it into a TTT for him because we were
    so pumped about how excited he was. Finished up, and on the cool down
    went back, had a beer and soda and talked to the old guys for a while.
    There were a couple of places on our normal routes that we could count
    on people cheering us on. I was ok, but the fact that my 11 year old
    son was out hammering really pumped them up.
    We always made it a point to go back and meet them. It became a
    routine and was great!
    Bill C

  15. "Jonathan v.d. Sluis" <[email hidden]> wrote ...

    Quoted message said:


    In my experience, Germans don't act that obnoxious. Most of them don't
    even
    try to speak their own language here in Amsterdam - they assume nobody
    understands or appreciates German.

    Good to hear. I got that just the other day from a Dutch immigrant to
    Canada who returns to Holland all the time, plus his family lives there.
    For some apparently there's a lot of ill feeling going back to WWII.

    JF

  16. Jim Flom said:

    For some apparently there's a lot of ill feeling going back to WWII.

    Yeah, [censored]. It's a national sport to hate the Germans ("Gib mir
    mein Fahrrad zurück!"😉, but I don't think many people, especially
    those who grew up in the sixties and later, are very serious about it.
    At least I hope not.

  17. "Ewoud Dronkert" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Jim Flom said:

    For some apparently there's a lot of ill feeling going back to WWII.

    Yeah, [censored]. It's a national sport to hate the Germans ("Gib mir
    mein Fahrrad zurück!"😉, but I don't think many people, especially
    those who grew up in the sixties and later, are very serious about it.
    At least I hope not.

    No, I think you're right about that. This guy's in his fifties and his
    parents are still alive. WWII was in their lifetime. It's the old folks.

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