Cycling Equipment · Public discussion

Handlebar shims--dangerous?

Started by Trent Gregory H · · Last activity · 12 posts · 9,307 views

Thread navigation

Jump through the discussion

Go to the original post, the replies on this page, or the latest preserved contribution.

Thread details

What we know about this thread

Original section
Cycling Equipment
Published
11 August 2003
Last activity
12 August 2003
Original author
Trent Gregory H
Posts
12
Discussion status
Public discussion
Total views
9,307
Views / 30 days
0

The navigation and discussion metadata provide context. Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Showing posts 1–12 of 12
Posts remain in their original chronological order.

Text size
  1. Folks,

    I'm writing to consult the collective wisdom of the NG regarding a piece of advice that was given me
    in all seriousness this afternoon by one of the parts guys at the largest LBS around here (Seattle).
    I stopped by to pick up a set of shims to adapt a 25.4 handlebar to a 26.0 clamp. When I asked the
    parts guy if they had any, he told me that they didn't carry them because they were "dangerous," and
    if I really wanted to shim my bars (which I shouldn't, under any circumstances), I should just cut
    up a pop can. I thought to ask how and why the shim would be dangerous (I think he said they didn't
    work and would cause bar slippage), but his initial reply was delivered in such a tone of
    incredulity that I didn't think to ask for clarification.

    Now, as I said, this came from the parts counter at the largest LBS around here, but from my
    experience they're also great dispensiaries of myth and lore, so I'm curious either way.

    Bemused, Trent

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, trent gregory hill

    Quoted message said:

    Folks,

    I'm writing to consult the collective wisdom of the NG regarding a piece of advice that was given
    me in all seriousness this afternoon by one of the parts guys at the largest LBS around here
    (Seattle). I stopped by to pick up a set of shims to adapt a 25.4 handlebar to a 26.0 clamp. When
    I asked the parts guy if they had any, he told me that they didn't carry them because they were
    "dangerous," and if I really wanted to shim my bars (which I shouldn't, under any circumstances),
    I should just cut up a pop can.

    Sorry, I know this doesn't answer your question, but your post caused the following flashback:

    ...

    His handlebars had started slipping. Not badly, he said, just a little when you shoved hard on them.
    I warned him not to use an adjustable on the tightening nuts. It was likely to damage the chrome and
    start small rust spots. He agreed to use my metric sockets and box-ends.

    When he brought his motorcycle over I got my wrenches out but then noticed that no amount of
    tightening would stop the slippage, because the ends of the collars were pinched shut.

    "You're going to have to shim those out," I said.

    "What's shim?"

    "It's a thin, flat strip of metal. You just slip it around the handebar under the collar there and
    it will open up the collar to where you can tighten it again. You use shim like that to make
    adjustments in all kinds of machines."

    "Oh," he said. He was gettiing interested. "Good. Where do you buy them?"

    "I've got some right here," I said gleefully, holding up the can of beer in my hand.

    He didn't understand for a moment. Then he said, "*What*, the *can*?"

    "Sure," I said. "Best shim stock in the world."

    I thought this was pretty clever myself. Save him a trip God knows where to get shim stock. Save him
    time. Save him money.

    But to my surprise he didn't see the cleverness of this at all. In fact he got noticably haughty
    about the whole thing. Pretty soon he was dodging and filling with all kinds of excuses and, before
    I had realized what his real attitude was, we had decided not to fix the handlebars at all.

    As far as I know those handlebars are still loose. And I believe now that he was actually offended
    at the time. I had the *nerve* to propose repair of his new eighteen-hundred dollar BMW, the pride
    of a half-century of German mechanical finesse, with a piece of old *beer* can!

    ...

    For a while, I thought what I *should* have done was sneak over to the workbench, cut a shim from
    the beer can, remove the printing, then come back and tell him we were in luck, it was the last
    one I had, specially imported from Germany. That would have done it. A special shim from the
    private stock of Baron Alfred Krupp, who had to sell it at a great sacrifice. Then he would have
    gone gaga over it.

    - Robert M Pirsig, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

    For what it is worth, I don't see how shim could be dangerous, even the beer can kind, if you're
    careful about how you apply it.

  3. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm writing to consult the collective wisdom of the NG regarding a piece of advice that was given
    me in all seriousness this afternoon by one of the parts guys at the largest LBS around here
    (Seattle). I stopped by to pick up a set of shims to adapt a 25.4 handlebar to a 26.0 clamp. When I
    asked the parts guy if they had any, he told me that they didn't carry them because they were
    "dangerous," and if I really wanted to shim my bars (which I shouldn't, under any circumstances), I
    should just cut up a pop can. I thought to ask how and why the shim would be dangerous (I think he
    said they didn't work and would cause bar slippage), but his initial reply was delivered in such a
    tone of incredulity that I didn't think to ask for clarification.

    Now, as I said, this came from the parts counter at the largest LBS around here, but from my
    experience they're also great dispensiaries of myth and lore, so I'm curious either way.

    Probably a liability issue as much as a technical issue. they want to sell you something that might
    cause an accident if not done properly.
    ---------------
    Alex

  4. trent gregory hill <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    Folks,

    Now, as I said, this came from the parts counter at the largest LBS around here, but from my
    experience they're also great dispensiaries of myth and lore, so I'm curious either way.

    Bemused, Trent

    Rivendell sells shims for handlebars: rivbike.com16095.html

    You should find a better bike shop.

    Jeff

  5. Alex Rodriguez said:

    In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    I'm writing to consult the collective wisdom of the NG regarding a piece of advice that was given
    me in all seriousness this afternoon by one of the parts guys at the largest LBS around here
    (Seattle). I stopped by to pick up a set of shims to adapt a 25.4 handlebar to a 26.0 clamp. When
    I asked the parts guy if they had any, he told me that they didn't carry them because they were
    "dangerous," and if I really wanted to shim my bars (which I shouldn't, under any circumstances),
    I should just cut up a pop can. I thought to ask how and why the shim would be dangerous (I think
    he said they didn't work and would cause bar slippage), but his initial reply was delivered in
    such a tone of incredulity that I didn't think to ask for clarification.

    Now, as I said, this came from the parts counter at the largest LBS around here, but from my
    experience they're also great dispensiaries of myth and lore, so I'm curious either way.

    Probably a liability issue as much as a technical issue. they want to sell you something that
    might cause an accident if not done properly.

    That basically applies to almost any bicycle part...

    I've done it and had it work. I've also done it and had it not work because I couldn't get the clamp
    to tighten enough (it rotated under pressure). Thinking about it now, the one that worked may have
    had ridges in both the clamp and the bars, and the one that didn't work didn't have ridges at the
    clamping point on the bars.

    YMMV

    David

  6. trent-<< I'm writing to consult the collective wisdom of the NG regarding a piece of advice that was
    given me in all seriousness this afternoon by one of the parts guys at the largest LBS around here
    (Seattle). I stopped by to pick up a set of shims to adapt a 25.4 handlebar to a 26.0 clamp. When I
    asked the parts guy if they had any, he told me that they didn't carry them because they were
    "dangerous, >><BR><BR>

    On a road bar, I would agree that it is not a good idea in that if the bar does slip, it can really
    hurt. On a MTB bar, w/o barends, probably not a big deal because of the leverage involved that may
    cause the bar to rotate.

    Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  7. jwills-<< Rivendell sells shims for handlebars:
    rivbike.com16095.html

    You should find a better bike shop. >><BR><BR>

    For mustache bars and a 'priest' bar, whatever that is..still don't think it's a good idea for
    road bars.

    Peter Chisholm Vecchio's Bicicletteria 1833 Pearl St. Boulder, CO, 80302
    (303)440-3535 vecchios.comvecchios.com "Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

  8. [email hidden] (Qui si parla Campagnolo) wrote in message
    news:<[email hidden]>...

    Quoted message said:

    jwills-<< Rivendell sells shims for handlebars:
    rivbike.com16095.html

    You should find a better bike shop. >><BR><BR>

    For mustache bars and a 'priest' bar, whatever that is..still don't think it's a good idea for
    road bars.

    Well, I kind of *assumed* he was putting an "upright" bar in a "road" stem. There's only a few drop
    bars that have a 25.4mm clamp area (there's a couple, I know).

    I think Rivendell has dropped the "priest" designation for "Dove" and "Albatross":
    rivbike.com16123.html

    Jeff

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Qui si parla

    Campagnolo) said:

    On a road bar, I would agree that it is not a good idea in that if the bar does slip, it can
    really hurt. On a MTB bar, w/o barends, probably not a big deal because of the leverage involved
    that may cause the bar to rotate.

    Well, if experience is anything to go by, here's mine. I've got an old handlebar from a 1974
    Raleigh-Carlton Super Course with a 25.4 mm clamp section. It's flipped over and sawed off, mounted
    in a Salsa stem with a 25.4 -> 26.0 mm aluminum seat post shim. It's been on my single speed bikes
    for three years and has never slipped and doesn't even creak. I be 6'4" and 207 lbs...

  10. trent gregory hill said:

    When I asked the parts guy if they had any, he told me that they didn't carry them because they
    were "dangerous,"

    Hogwash. (Although slipping bars could be a sign of a more serious problem that might itself be
    dangerous, e.g. a cracked stem.)

    Quoted message said:

    and if I really wanted to shim my bars (which I shouldn't, under any circumstances), I should just
    cut up a pop can.

    Aluminum cans run about .2mm avg., so you would likely need more than one wrap to do the job. Better
    to get some real .012-.015" shim stock, or one of those fancy Nitto stainless steel shims that's
    already formed in the correct curvature.

    Quoted message said:

    I thought to ask how and why the shim would be dangerous (I think he said they didn't work and
    would cause bar slippage),

    I have used shims to fit 22.2mm -> 25.4mm and 25.4mm -> 26.0mm. No problems yet with bars as high as
    8". I fitted my sister's bike with 14" rise bars shimmed at the stem; likewise there have been no
    associated problems.

    You will want to use a stem with a secure clamp, ideally a 2-bolt binder or a 4-bolt faceplate.

    Chalo Colina

  11. (Qui si parla Campagnolo) may have said:

    On a road bar, I would agree that it is not a good idea in that if the bar does slip, it can really
    hurt. On a MTB bar, w/o barends, probably not a big deal because of the leverage involved that may
    cause the bar to rotate.

    Oddly enough, my daughter's old mtb had a problem with the bar rotating which was solved by adding a
    coke-can shim; I did that after reading some advice here, and it has been secure ever since. I think
    the perception that an mtb bar isn't subject to exceptional rotational forces may not fully take
    into account the fact that an mtb may get used in situations that put a high shock load on the
    bar...and most of the bars (of my experience, anyway) are not dead straight. Better stems, of
    course, have a better grip; her old mtb was decidedly low-end in that area.

    --
    My email address is antispammed; pull WEEDS if replying via e-mail. Yes, I have a killfile. If I
    don't respond to something, it's also possible that I'm busy.

  12. I have the "pop can shim" solution o my MacGyverisms pages, and on my bike. My problem wasn't a
    mismatches stem/handlebar though, it was an annoying creak between the two.

    A can of Bud fixed it up fine. Why pay good money for something that works just as good (better?)
    and costs practically nothing?

    May you have the wind at your back. And a really low gear for the hills! Chris

    Chris'Z Corner "The Website for the Common Bicyclist": geocities.comczcorner

Active in the last 60 minutes

Active in this thread

0 users · 0 guests ·0 bots ·0 total

No signed-in users are active right now.

No known search crawlers active right now.