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  1. Comming from a bike background my major interest was getting the bike to
    be as light as possible. Now using this same methodology having a seat
    like a kh freeride which comes with a handle should be enough, and
    probably better since you have a big weight savings. I have no
    experience with a t7 handle even though I have one but did not install
    it because it's so heavy. If the handle is to assist in repositioning
    on the seat, the kh seat handle works just as fine and with no weight
    penalty. I would like your comments on this subject.

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  2. I don't think the weight of the t7 makes that big difference. I got one
    and I'm glad I have it. But it is true, that I haven't been on a very
    long ride. So far on my rides (about 30-40 minutes) the weight doesn't
    make it harder. Au contraire, it's pretty sweat to have it. The feeling
    is way better than just the seat handle. You'll see what I mean if you
    install it.

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  3. In my experience, the T7 GREATLY reduces saddle soreness in long
    distance riding. Yeah, it adds a good amount of weight, but there are
    always compromises when choosing equipment.

    If you don't like it, don't use it. Still though, if you have one on
    hand, you may as well try it.

    hectorqlucero said:

    Comming from a bike background my major interest was getting the bike to
    be as light as possible. Now using this same methodology having a seat
    like a kh freeride which comes with a handle should be enough, and
    probably better since you have a big weight savings. I have no
    experience with a t7 handle even though I have one but did not install
    it because it's so heavy. If the handle is to assist in repositioning
    on the seat, the kh seat handle works just as fine and with no weight
    penalty. I would like your comments on this subject.

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  4. hectorqlucero said:

    ... even though I have one but did not install it because it's so heavy.
    If the handle is to assist in repositioning on the seat, the kh seat
    handle works just as fine ....

    You will never change some peoples mind as to what they already have
    decided works best. I ride a lot. Never have tried a handle. Don't
    see any handles available that I would like to try. Have not made my
    own. If I did it would be similar to what Lars Clausen uses but
    installed lower.

    JM

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  5. The T7 is heavy when you are speaking in road bike/touring bike terms.
    For the unicycle, it does not seem to add enough weight to make the
    ride harder. I rode a few hundred miles last summer with it and I'm
    more than glad I had the handle to make things more comfortable.
    Before the ride, I had to train on a 36" without the handle and it was
    all too painful.

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  6. I have had my Nimbus 36" for a little bit over a year now. It had a T7
    handle on it from day one. Before the N36, my 36" riding experience was
    less than an hour in total. So there's a hidden disclaimer here: I
    don't really know how riding 36" without a T7 feels.

    I totally love having the handle. My left hand is on the handle 99% of
    the time. My right hand is on the handle about 80% of the time. That is
    because in tight turns, or when riding very slow, or on bumpy stretches
    etc, I like to have one arm free for "balance flailing".

    If I occasionally ride with no hands on the T7 or the KH Freeride seat
    handle, it feels unstable. It feels like I should decrease the speed by
    1 or 2 mph to reduce the wobble. Hands on the seat handle helps about
    half on that account of what hands on the T7 helps.

    I ride in flat country. Weight hardly matters. If I would be riding in
    hills, I might have second thoughts. But then I would start saving
    weight on the wheelset. I love the T7 (even if I have some minor gripes
    with it).

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  7. hectorqlucero said:

    Comming from a bike background my major interest was getting the bike to
    be as light as possible.

    I think people who race bikes want them to be as *fast* as possible. If
    weight is the only concern your answer is obvious. But let me ask. On
    your bike did you use a full handlebar or cut it down to just a few
    inches on each side of the stem? That should be pretty light while
    still allowing you to steer. 🙂

    If I'm comfortable I can ride farther and maintain a higher average
    speed. I really like the handle on my old Coker (pictured below) but
    don't know if it's going to break off someday, as it's been through a
    lot. I fully expect it to break off during RTL. :p

    That handle gives me something to lean on and makes me slightly more
    aerodynamic, which is a factor for RTL-type riding unless there's a
    tailwind. It works great for me, and the new handle we're waiting for
    from Coker may do a similar job. Mine is a Wyganowski handle, with
    bar-ends attached to what was originally intended as a front bumper. I
    also hold the T-handle when going slower. Paul Wyganowski has retired,
    I believe, and no longer makes his nice stuff for us unicyclists.

    I have a borrowed Nimbus 36 with T7 handle. I like it better than no
    handle, but it doesn't take any of my weight off the seat, and it
    doesn't really give me anything to pull on for uphill riding, it's just
    kind of "there." I'd like it if it were quite a bit lower. Or
    adjustable, like the Coker handle is supposed to be. The T7 does give
    you a lot of options for attaching accessories, which is nice.

    I've also done long rides with just a regular seat. I hate it, perhaps
    because I'm spoiled by my Wyganowski handle. I definitely know I don't
    want to do another ride on a borrowed Coker with a Viscount seat,
    yuck!

    Coker or (non-Coker 36"😉 wheels are heavy, no matter what you do.
    You're going to have a relatively heavy unicycle with any of the
    components on the market today, even if you select all the lightest
    ones. So from that point, the question is whether a handle will make
    your riding more enjoyable (or faster if that's what you want). If it
    will, it's probably worth it for you. I know it is for me.

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  8. My latest creation. . . made of steel, yet still lighter than the t-7
    bar and a little different riding position. I used: a GB4 handlebar, a
    KH rail adaptor, 7/8" handlebar tubing and strong cable ties. Its
    narrower and way stiffer than the T-7, longer and provides a great
    leaned forward riding position. the extended handle grip is to provide
    brake lever protection and an offset positon for the right hand.
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  9. brycer1968 said:

    My latest creation. . . made of steel, yet still lighter than the t-7
    bar and a little different riding position. I used: a GB4 handlebar, a
    KH rail adaptor, 7/8" handlebar tubing and strong cable ties. Its
    narrower and way stiffer than the T-7, longer and provides a great
    leaned forward riding position. the extended handle grip is to provide
    brake lever protection and an offset positon for the right hand.
    See pics.

    I might have to buy one of them off you soon Bryce, my T7 is going to
    snap pretty soon.

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  10. I would rather have the handle become misaligned in a upd than have it
    bend or even worse have my seatpost or frame bend. Something has to
    give and if something moves without damage to other parts I am happy.

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  11. This is the handlebar setup I acquired from Pete (unisk8er) on his (now
    my) Florian Green. It's quite sturdy, no flex at all. Very
    adjustable. I can raise or lower it and change the angle of the bars.
    Pete even made an alternate set of bars which I played around with.
    But I haven't been able to make them work as well as the original set.
    For me, the most important time for handlebars is when I'm in high
    gear. It really helps to have something to hold me to the seat and to
    push against. When I'm in low gear I use the handles at high speed and
    I usually put one hand on when I'm turning. I don't use the handle
    bars so much to modify the balance of the unicycle as I do to stabilize
    my body.
    When I'm climbing hills I'd like to have handle bars that are a
    little closer to the seat. With handle bars that are that far in
    front, pulling up on them tends to push the seat back out from under
    me. I've got some ideas of mounting some extra handle bar ends that
    point back toward the seat. But I'll have to find a welder to help me
    out with that.
    But most of all, these handle bars are sooper dooper cool! They
    catch people's eyes. Great conversation starter. I pretty much start
    blathering about my guni in excessive detail to anyone who so much as
    raises an eyebrow. I don't think I've gotten a single "Hey! Where's
    your other wheel?" since I got the Florian Green. People are too dumb
    struck to do more than "Huh? Whu?" No more "Where's the circus?"
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  12. I've done over 10,000 road miles by now - at least 4000 on a viscount,
    5000 on KH seats and a bit over 1000 on the T7. I've recently dumped
    the T7 and gone back to the stock KH seat.

    I think that the T7 handle has two big advantages, firstly if you don't
    ride distance that much, it can make it more comfy. Secondly, it looks
    way cooler holding the T7 than crotch grabbing on a normal unicycle
    seat.

    The first one you can fix by riding more, so your [censored] gets used to the
    shape of the stock seat whatever it is*. The second one, you can fix by
    not caring too much about it.

    In terms of riding position - I did some experimenting last year, and
    by riding in a slightly lower position, going into a bit of a headwind,
    we were going about 1mph faster for no obvious extra effort. However, I
    didn't really find that the T7 handle helped that much, I think it is
    just as easy to ride in a low position with the KH handle. Maybe some
    of the other handles help with this (I know Sam Wakeling's insane
    aerobars let him ride very low indeed), but I don't think the T7 has a
    massive advantage here.

    In terms of control, hills etc. I think the T7 decreases control,
    decreases the ability to ride up hills, sucks for off road, and doesn't
    have a massive advantage in speed terms. It does kind of feel nice and
    hardcore holding onto the handles though. I found my skill level jumped
    the moment I swapped back from the T7 to the KH seat, even after I'd
    not used the stock handle for 1000 miles.

    I also think that braking on a T7 is nowhere near as precise as when
    you have the brake under the KH handle, although I'm not really sure
    why that is.

    I am [censored] that I can't find a decent place to mount a bell on my
    stock KH though. Bells are so handy for commuting.

    Joe

    *I've done 80 mile rides on a hard viscount seat, which weren't a
    massive problem as I was commuting on that seat too. Wouldn't recommend
    viscounts generally, but only because they have no handle at all.

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  13. I experienced an improvement in many aspects of my riding when I put the
    T7 on my ride. I won't give an exhaustive list since they've been
    covered. In addition to simple comfort, the different leverage it
    allows while riding immediately improved my energy economy. If you're
    concerned about weight you can cut off the back of the T7 - I see no
    compelling use for it. I've had my bottle cage there since I've
    blocked the bottle cage braze ons up front with an attachment to mount
    a light, but I seem to arrive at my destination without my bottle often
    that way ???

    Hey Brycer1968 - whatcha call that thing???

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  14. boisei said:

    I experienced an improvement in many aspects of my riding when I put the
    T7 on my ride. I won't give an exhaustive list since they've been
    covered. In addition to simple comfort, the different leverage it
    allows while riding immediately improved my energy economy. If you're
    concerned about weight you can cut off the back of the T7 - I see no
    compelling use for it. I've had my bottle cage there since I've
    blocked the bottle cage braze ons up front with an attachment to mount
    a light, but I seem to arrive at my destination without my bottle often
    that way ???

    Hey Brycer1968 - whatcha call that thing???

    Boisei: I'd be happy to lend my bit of intellectual musings to this
    conversation . . . . . .
    The Unicycle [censored] aren't the most sophistocated bunch, and they
    have accused me of having a black [censored] fetish so I guess this makes
    this a "double headed offset 11.5" black [censored]". It's clearly the king
    of the other black cocks as you can see from the attached photo of the
    pack of them trying to escape from my basement soon after they were . .
    . whelped.
    Thanks for askng Boisei

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  15. brycer1968 said:

    Boisei: I'd be happy to lend my bit of intellectual musings to this
    conversation . . . . . .
    The Unicycle [censored] aren't the most sophistocated bunch, and they
    have accused me of having a black [censored] fetish so I guess this makes
    this a "double headed offset 11.5" black [censored]". It's clearly the king
    of the other black cocks as you can see from the attached photo of the
    pack of them trying to escape from my basement soon after they were . .
    . whelped.
    Thanks for askng Boisei

    Huzzah! Black cocks FTW!

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  16. brycer1968 said:

    . . . . . . The Unicycle [censored] aren't the most sophistocated bunch,
    and they have accused me of having a black [censored] fetish ....

    Hehehe - he said [censored].

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