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  1. The total length of the Men's Elite TT was 41.3 km. A time split was given at 20.5 km, meaning the
    second "lap" was 20.8 km. How many seconds slower was the second "lap" than the first?

    +2.0 Nozal (5th overall) +18.8 Mahoric (42) +23.1 Day (11) +25.4 Belohvoscik (26) +36.2 Frigo (6)
    +46.0 Vestol (35) +47.0 Mizourov (28) +48.5 Nuttli (22) +51.7 Millar (1) +51.8 Wacker (12) +54.2
    Larsson (17) +57.0 McCann (27) +57.2 Rich (4) +58.1 Leipheimer (13) +60.8 Gontchar (21) +61.2
    Pugaci (31) +61.4 Seigneur (23) +61.5 Laroche (40) +62.2 Rogers (2) +62.9 Nagy (30) +64.5 Peschel
    (3) +67.6 Hrazdira (9) +70.1 Ekimov (7) +70.5 Roesems (10) +73.6 Wauters (8) +75.4 Petrov (16)
    +78.6 Julich (14) +79.0 Chavanel (20) +79.1 Ivanov (33) +82.5 Wohlberg (25) +84.2 Bodrogi (15)
    +87.1 Cancellara (19) +87.5 Fofonov (18) +88.4 Matveyev (24) +93.9 Pena (32) +94.6 Joachim (34)
    +99.4 Zugaj (39) +104.5 Perez (37) +107.5 Mitchell (38) +111.6 Backstedt (36) +117.9 Krupa (29)
    +127.6 Arvai (43) +160.4 Vaitkus (41)

  2. "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The total length of the Men's Elite TT was 41.3 km. A time split was given at 20.5 km, meaning the
    second "lap" was 20.8 km. How many seconds slower was the second "lap" than the first?

    +2.0 Nozal (5th overall)

    Nozal had Millar to chase on the second lap, so he picked up his game a bit. Must've hurt, being
    passed by him :-)

    Jeff

  3. Jeff Jones said:

    "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    The total length of the Men's Elite TT was 41.3 km. A time split was given at 20.5 km, meaning
    the second "lap" was 20.8 km. How many seconds slower was the second "lap" than the first?

    +2.0 Nozal (5th overall)

    Nozal had Millar to chase on the second lap, so he picked up his game a bit. Must've hurt, being
    passed by him :-)

    Nozal's average speed on the second lap was higher than on the first, and he still lost time to
    Millar. If you plot the average lap speeds (first lap speed on one axis, 2nd lap speed on the other)
    Millar was way out there -- about as much of an outlier as Arvai. Even backing off, Millar's second
    lap speed was higher than anyone else's first lap speed. Yikes.

  4. Jeff Jones' jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com said:

    "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The total length of the Men's Elite TT was 41.3 km. A time split was given at 20.5 km, meaning
    the second "lap" was 20.8 km. How many seconds slower was the second "lap" than the first?

    +2.0 Nozal (5th overall)

    Nozal had Millar to chase on the second lap, so he picked up his game a bit. Must've hurt, being
    passed by him :-)

    Nozal, who followed Millar into the pits, shook his hand right as soon as they both stopped moving.

    Dunno if Nozal simply stopped on the way to his own pit area or whether he had to ride past it to
    get to the Brit pits.

    Either way, Nozal ain't no [censored].

    --
    le vent a Dos

    Davey Crockett

  5. Robert Chung said:
    Jeff Jones said:

    "Robert Chung" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    The total length of the Men's Elite TT was 41.3 km. A time split was given at 20.5 km, meaning
    the second "lap" was 20.8 km. How many seconds slower was the second "lap" than the first?

    +2.0 Nozal (5th overall)

    Nozal had Millar to chase on the second lap, so he picked up his game a bit. Must've hurt, being
    passed by him :-)

    Nozal's average speed on the second lap was higher than on the first, and he still lost time to
    Millar. If you plot the average lap speeds (first lap speed on one axis, 2nd lap speed on the
    other) Millar was way out there -- about as much of an outlier as Arvai. Even backing off,
    Millar's second lap speed was higher than anyone else's first lap speed. Yikes.

    Incroyable!! Especially in the light of the comments he made to CBC's ex-trackie interviewer (se my
    earlier post)

    --
    le vent a Dos

    Davey Crockett

  6. Robert noted the 300 meter difference in his first email. 36kph = 10 meter/second, so at 48 kph this
    represents 36/48*300/10 = 3/4*30 =
    22.5 seconds. By this standard, only Nozal, Mahoric, Day, and Belohvoscik failed to "fade".

    Mapei81 said:

    I'm not sure if everyone knows this, but the second lap was actually longer than the first,
    because the start house was located a couple hundred meters or so up the road from the finish
    line, where the split time was taken. So a longer time on the second lap doesn't necessarily
    represent a fade.

  7. Mapei81 said:

    I'm not sure if everyone knows this, but the second lap was actually longer than the first,
    because the start house was located a couple hundred meters or so up the road from the finish
    line, where the split time was taken. So a longer time on the second lap doesn't necessarily
    represent a fade.

    Only three riders had higher average speed for the second lap than the first: Nozal (46.49 kph for
    the first lap, 0.6 kph faster for the 2nd) Mahoric (42.72, +0.16) Day (46.21, +0.01)

    Everyone else was slower on the second lap. And Nozal had Millar to chase on the second lap.

  8. Dan Connelly said:

    Robert noted the 300 meter difference in his first email. 36kph = 10 meter/second, so at 48 kph
    this represents 36/48*300/10 = 3/4*30 =
    22.5 seconds. By this standard, only Nozal, Mahoric, Day, and Belohvoscik failed to "fade".

    Mapei81 said:

    I'm not sure if everyone knows this, but the second lap was actually longer than the first,
    because the start house was located a couple hundred meters or so up the road from the finish
    line, where the split time was taken. So a longer time on the second lap doesn't necessarily
    represent a fade.

    mywebpage.netscape.comtt.png mywebpage.netscape.comtt2.png

    The data on which these plots are based: mywebpage.netscape.comhamilton tt.csv

    1. Some people say that Nozal and Belohvosciks benefitted from drafting.
    2. On the first graph, Millar is way out there.
    3. If you give Rogers credit for 30 seconds on the second half...

  9. Robert Chung said:


    mywebpage.netscape.comtt.png
    mywebpage.netscape.comtt2.png

    U23 TT plots: mywebpage.netscape.comu23tt.png
    mywebpage.netscape.comu23tt2.png

    I'm guessing from these plots that the intermediate distances aren't very precisely reported;
    nonetheless, the relationships should be consistent.

  10. Robert Chung said:

    The total length of the Men's Elite TT was 41.3 km. A time split was given at 20.5 km, meaning the
    second "lap" was 20.8 km. How many seconds slower was the second "lap" than the first?

    +2.0 Nozal (5th overall) +18.8 Mahoric (42) +23.1 Day (11) +25.4 Belohvoscik (26) +36.2 Frigo (6)
    +46.0 Vestol (35) +47.0 Mizourov (28) +48.5 Nuttli (22) +51.7 Millar (1)

    I was about 5K from the finish line. When Millar came by on the first lap he had already eaten about
    1 minute out of Nozal. I yelled to him "30 seconds to Nozal." He was noticably crushing everyone,
    although obviously I could only see his speed at that point.

    Wayne

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