Hamilton is faking it

That's a total idiot post dude.

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The smack is coming down. I can tell just by looking at Tyler's facial expression:

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He's putting his weight down on his left arm, he's NOT putting any weight on his right arm, which is
the injured side.

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In that photo, he's gingerly supporting his right arm. I read it was his right arm, and yet, why
does he have all the handlebar tape on the LEFT side in the picture I saw the other day?

And look here, at the start of stage 2, he can't even look LANCE in the eye because he knows he's
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Notice, that he's waving his left arm, his right arm is limp because it's hard to move that side of
his body. As far as looking Lance in the eye or not, it's a picture, 1/500 th of a second in time.

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Just like I boldly predicted months ago, LANCE will "loose" the tour.

Let's hope at the very least he comes close to losing it.

< he can't even look Lance in the eye > judging by that photo, one could also assume that it is
always daylight in France, they don't have nightime there. Photographic evidence is indisputable.

I don't believe his collarbone is broken. You just don't climb hills standing up the day after you
break your collarbone.

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The smack is coming down. I can tell just by looking at Tyler's facial expression:

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In that photo, he's gingerly supporting his right arm. I read it was his right arm, and yet, why
does he have all the handlebar tape on the LEFT side in the picture I saw the other day?

And look here, at the start of stage 2, he can't even look LANCE in the eye because he knows he's
bluffing: velonews.com4419.5207.f.jpgOpen ↗

Just like I boldly predicted months ago, LANCE will "loose" the tour.

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I don't believe his collarbone is broken. You just don't climb hills standing up the day after you
break your collarbone.

I'll bet you can if you've taken enough painkillers.

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I don't believe his collarbone is broken. You just don't climb hills standing up the day after you
break your collarbone.

if it is broken, i mean geometrically seperated, sling or no sling, the triangular support structure
just isnt there. and to pull bgars honking a bike up a climb??? i wouldnt try that with someone
else's arm. painkillers might dull pain but they dont reconnect bones. jc

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The smack is coming down. I can tell just by looking at Tyler's facial expression:

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In that photo, he's gingerly supporting his right arm. I read it was his right arm, and yet, why
does he have all the handlebar tape on the LEFT side in the picture I saw the other day?

And look here, at the start of stage 2, he can't even look LANCE in the eye because he knows he's
bluffing: velonews.com4419.5207.f.jpgOpen ↗

Just like I boldly predicted months ago, LANCE will "loose" the tour.

Don't be stupid. Anyway...this is a bit of good fortune for the sponsor. He is getting more
attention that the yellow jersey, in North America at least. As an aside, Riis just may be the next
Ferreti\Guimard. I say that in the sense that he can spot and develop talent as opposed to some
directors that have gotten publicity from being in the right place at the right time.

I think he's especially motivated to stay in the Tour as long as he can in part because of the IMAX
movie of the CSC team that's being filmed during the Tour for worldwide distribution. Tyler doesn't
want to miss out and I'm sure the film's producers don't want to be following a team that lost its
reason for racing after the very first stage. I suspect there are lots of things at play, but I'm
betting that film is some kind of factor.

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The smack is coming down. I can tell just by looking at Tyler's facial expression:

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In that photo, he's gingerly supporting his right arm. I read it was his right arm, and yet, why
does he have all the handlebar tape on the LEFT side in the picture I saw the other day?

And look here, at the start of stage 2, he can't even look LANCE in the eye because he knows he's
bluffing: velonews.com4419.5207.f.jpgOpen ↗

Just like I boldly predicted months ago, LANCE will "loose" the tour.

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As an aside, Riis just may be the next Ferreti\Guimard. I say that in the sense that he can spot
and develop talent as opposed to some directors

that

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have gotten publicity from being in the right place at the right time.

Little premature to make that claim, don't you think? Hamilton largely rode in service of Armstrong
in previous years, plus he's now of an age (i.e.,
32) that you'd expect him to be at the top of his game (if not past it). So did Riis really
"develop" Hamilton, or simply benefit from his departure from the USPS team?

Andy Coggan

But it is not separated. If he did have a fracture that separated the parts of the bone, any
painkiller strong enough would also depress his CNS to the point of preventing him from riding
anywhere fast if at all. Even with a fracture that does not go through (hence no separation) the
pain is very intense for the first few days. The term "painkiller" is a misnomer. Most pain meds are
not dosed strong enough to totally "kill" or remove intense pain. Even when does very high, the
doctor calculating the dose has to titrate him over the first 7 to 10 days so that he can build a
tolerance and not have CNS problems. If it were allowed, the best pain med for him would be a 12
hour time released opiate. This tends to be easier to tolerate because there is much less
fluctuation in blood levels and will allow him to find an effective dose that is sufficient in
controlling the pain yet not so strong as to cause significant CNS depression. My guess is he was
initially dosed with an IM opiate along with something for inflammation and then given time released
opiate pain "controllers". Not everyone needs the initial IM does though. That is what I would do if
it was UCI legal.

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I don't believe his collarbone is broken. You just don't climb hills standing up the day after
you break your collarbone.

if it is broken, i mean geometrically seperated, sling or no sling, the triangular support
structure just isnt there. and to pull bgars honking a bike up a climb??? i wouldnt try that with
someone else's arm. painkillers might dull pain but they dont reconnect bones. jc

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<snippity snip snip>

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Little premature to make that claim, don't you think? Hamilton largely

rode

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in service of Armstrong in previous years, plus he's now of an age (i.e.,
32) that you'd expect him to be at the top of his game (if not past it).

So

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did Riis really "develop" Hamilton, or simply benefit from his departure from the USPS team?

Andy Coggan

Definitely premature to crown him, but not to make a prediction. The two I compared him to each have
wellover 15 seasons experience on Riis. I said he "just my be the next...". If I had used the word
"become", would that have made it more clear?

Anyhow, it could be as you are saying, that Tyler would have stepped up regardless of where he went.
However, Tyler did attribute his success to Riis and the training program that Riis developed with
Cecchini. Also, my understanding is the a large part of Tyler's decision was that Riis
solicited\recruited him. Then again, Tyler is the kind of guy that spreads the credit around. I
could be wrong. Time will tell.

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The smack is coming down. I can tell just by looking at Tyler's facial expression:
cyclingnews.comCH2785.jpgOpen ↗

In that photo, he's gingerly supporting his right arm. I read it was his right arm, and yet, why
does he have all the handlebar tape on the LEFT side in the picture I saw the other day?

And look here, at the start of stage 2, he can't even look LANCE in the eye because he knows he's
bluffing: velonews.com4419.5207.f.jpgOpen ↗

Just like I boldly predicted months ago, LANCE will "loose" the tour.

His collerbone is "broken", his X-ray picture has been on danish TV.

His has a danish "heeler" (Ole Kaare Foeli), working with him even when he is sleeping.

He will finish in Paris in top 10. The goal was in top 3 (and Carlos Sastre in top 10).

Poul Erik

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I don't believe his collarbone is broken. You just don't climb hills standing up the day after you
break your collarbone.

In medical terminology, "broken bone" can range anywhere between hairline fracture to a compound
break. Since Hamilton said after Tuesday's stage, "I'm feeling about 80-85 percent, there is just
this kind of dull numbing pain which nags away at me," I'm guessing that it's probably just a
hairline fracture. It would be painful, but no other effects.

(A few years ago, Eric Snow played the entire NBA finals with a broken ankle!)

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I don't believe his collarbone is broken. You just don't climb hills standing up the day after
you break your collarbone.

if it is broken, i mean geometrically seperated, sling or no sling, the triangular support
structure just isnt there. and to pull bgars honking a bike up a climb??? i wouldnt try that with
someone else's arm. painkillers might dull pain but they dont reconnect bones. jc

Usually when a collarbone is broken it's not actually separated.

-Amit

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break your collarbone.

if it is broken, i mean geometrically seperated, sling or no sling, the triangular support structure
just isnt there. and to pull bgars honking a bike up a climb??? i wouldnt try that with someone
else's arm. painkillers might dull pain but they dont reconnect bones. jc

New York Giants hall of fame linebacker Lawerence Taylor played the second half of a game with a broken wrist...If you can play football with a broken wrist I figure you can ride a bike...I broke my collarbone skiing...I would figure that what he is doing extremely hard, but possible with enough vikaden and perkest (sp??????). He claimed to have been hurt in the giro as well and finished or was that faking as well. Today on OLN they also said that the second place finsher in the 1958 giro had a broken collarbone so it can be done

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I don't believe his collarbone is broken. You just don't climb hills standing up the day
after you break your collarbone.

if it is broken, i mean geometrically seperated, sling or no sling, the triangular support
structure just isnt there. and to pull bgars honking a bike up a climb??? i wouldnt try that
with someone else's arm. painkillers might dull pain but they dont reconnect bones. jc

New York Giants hall of fame linebacker Lawerence Taylor played the second half of a game with a
broken wrist...If you can play football with a broken wrist I figure you can ride a bike...

Bad example when you consider how they would treat/protect Taylor's wrist and its pain compared to
how they can treat Hamilton's collarbone and pain

-WG

"Amit" <[email hidden]> wrote:

" Usually when a collarbone is broken it's not actually separated."

Actually usually they are usually separated and overlapping. Occasionally they are just cracked and
not separated. If so they might be stable, i.e. the fracture does not move, and therefore less
painful. Presumably this is what Hamilton has.

I suspect that Amit may be confused about the entity of "shoulder separation". This is a separation
of the joint between the clavicle (collar bone) and the acromion. The acromion is the part of the
scapula (shoulder blade) that makes a non-mobile joint above the true shoulder joint. Separating the
AC joint is pretty common in bike riders but it is rare, if ever, that both a clavicle fracture and
an AC separation will happen in the same shoulder in the same accident. This is because of the
mechanism of injury. Clavicles usually are broken when you land on the back part of the shoulder.
Since the clavicle is the strut that prevents the shoulder from being pushed forward the clavicle
fails in a compression mode. The clavicle can also be broken by direct blow, like from the shoulder
harness in a car crash, but this is less common. AC joints are separated when you land on the top or
the side of your shoulder and the acromion is forced towards your toes by your falling body weight
while the clavicle is fixed to your head by the strap muscle of the neck. This forces the joint
apart in expansion, tearing the ligaments that previously held the 2 bones together.

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Mike Murray MD

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>I don't believe his collarbone is broken. You just don't climb

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>standing up the day after you break your collarbone.
if it is broken, i mean geometrically seperated, sling or no sling,

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triangular support structure just isnt there. and to pull bgars

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a bike up a climb??? i wouldnt try that with someone else's arm. painkillers might dull pain
but they dont reconnect bones. jc

New York Giants hall of fame linebacker Lawerence Taylor played the second half of a game with a
broken wrist...If you can play football with a broken wrist I figure you can ride a bike...

Bad example when you consider how they would treat/protect Taylor's wrist and its pain compared to
how they can treat Hamilton's collarbone and pain

Yeah, it's riskier to play football.

Poul Erik said:

He will finish in Paris in top 10. The goal was in top 3 (and Carlos Sastre in top 10).

Poul Erik

That's bold! It would be cool if you're right, but all we know is that he wants to stick it out
through the TTT. I still have him on my fantasy team. :-)

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I don't believe his collarbone is broken. You just don't climb hills standing up the day after
you break your collarbone.

if it is broken, i mean geometrically seperated, sling or no sling, the triangular support
structure just isnt there. and to pull bgars honking a bike up a climb??? i wouldnt try that with
someone else's arm. painkillers might dull pain but they dont reconnect bones. jc

It's not a complete fracture, it's a hairline fracture. So there is probably no instability just
pain, and that can be taken care of. They had a little piece with Hamilton getting a rub down with
the team soigneur and he said he thought in a couple of days Hamilton would be fine. Serious
fractures don't get better in a couple of days!