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  1. OK, so to a lot of you hardened types, 50 miles is nothing more than a warm up, but for the less fit
    among us, it's quite an achievement!

    I was a bit worried about hills, because the highest point I achieved on any of my practice routes
    was a whopping 11m ASL, and we had climbs of 50m planned with lots of smaller rises. On the plus
    side, it was a net downhill of 150m from start to finish.

    In preparation for this, I took my bike to the LBS to get the gears fixed - previously I had been
    unable to change 2->1 or 3->2 on the front cog, and unable to use 1st gear on the rear cog. Which
    was OK on the flat, but not what I wanted with hills around. He reckoned it needed a new chain, new
    sprockets and a new gear cable for the front, and when I rode it away, it seemed to be working fine.
    1st gear at the back was still a bit iffy and the adjustment wasn't perfect, but the front cog was
    spot on, and that was the important bit.

    And so it remained. For 30 miles, then it got stuck in 3 and made no attempt whatsoever to shift
    back to 2 - at least before it had tried and failed, now there was no sign of movement at all. My
    cousin, who is more technically minded than I am, tried to fix it but couldn't manage anything at
    the roadside with no more than an adjustable spanner, but did wrench it to the middle cog so that
    I had slightly more usable gears. So in a moment I'm going to pay another visit to LBS and give
    him what for!

    And apart from that and a couple of unplanned detours, the ride went entirely without incident. The
    detours were *not my fault*! I had been in charge of planning the route, being the one with the most
    free time, and the only one able to read a map properly, and I had carefully (and with the help of a
    few people here - thank you!) planned a route that avoided as many contours and main roads as
    possible, as well as the A259 coast road, aka the UK's most open wind tunnel. Which would have
    worked fine if bro and cuz hadn't gone racing on ahead down the A22, completely oblivious to the
    fact we were supposed to turn right.

    Then later, having turned off the A27 to run parallel down some suburban side streets, as Dad & I
    turned to follow them about 200 yards behind, we noticed them wheeling round and head back up to the
    A27 - yes, they took the correct turning, thought it was wrong and went back to the main road
    without bothering to check with me where they were supposed to be going!

    Oh yes, and the traffic lights by Lancing College that someone recommended would have been great if
    they hadn't been OOO for the Shoreham Air Show, so we had to cross the A27 on foot!

    What surprised all of us was how easy it felt towards the end - we were all prepared to be
    absolutely knackered, but when we pulled up outside my Nan's we all felt we could keep going for
    quite a bit longer. And apart from my cousin's knee, which has been giving him gyp for years, none
    of us have really felt any aftereffects, apart from sore buttocks!

    Next year we're planning on 75 miles from Kingsclere (Berks) to Worthing - 50% longer and probably
    200% hillier!

    --
    Stevie D \\\\\ ///// Bringing dating agencies to the \\\\\\\__X__///////
    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs" ___\\\\\\\'/
    \'///////_____________________________________________

  2. "Stevie D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    OK, so to a lot of you hardened types, 50 miles is nothing more than a warm up, but for the less
    fit among us, it's quite an achievement!

    He reckoned it needed a new chain, new sprockets and a new gear cable for the front, and when I
    rode it away, it seemed to be working fine. 1st gear at the back was still a bit iffy and the
    adjustment wasn't perfect, but the front cog was spot on, and that was the important bit.

    And so it remained. For 30 miles, then it got stuck in 3 and made no attempt whatsoever to shift
    back to 2 - at least before it had tried and failed, now there was no sign of movement at all. My
    cousin, who is more technically minded than I am, tried to fix it but couldn't manage anything at
    the roadside with no more than an adjustable spanner, but did wrench it to the middle cog so that
    I had slightly more usable gears. So in a moment I'm going to pay another visit to LBS and give
    him what for!

    I'd give him a bit of slack. Cables stretch. If you're nice, he'll just retune it with no problems.
    You should have brought some allen keys to adjust this type of thing with a new cable fitted IMO. I
    carry a full set of stuff every time I go out, so I don't need to rely on someone else in case of
    breakdown. I think I've got most things covered except for huge failures.

  3. Stevie D muttered:

    [snipped...]

    Quoted message said:

    Next year we're planning on 75 miles from Kingsclere (Berks) to Worthing - 50% longer and probably
    200% hillier!

    Why wait till next year...? You know you want to...

    --
    bob [at] bobarnott [dot] com bobarnott.combobarnott.com
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Crash programs fail because they are based on theory that, with nine women pregnant, you can get a
    baby in a month."
    -- Wernher von Braun

  4. "Bob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Stevie D muttered:

    [snipped...]

    Quoted message said:

    Next year we're planning on 75 miles from Kingsclere (Berks) to Worthing - 50% longer and
    probably 200% hillier!

    Why wait till next year...? You know you want to...

    Yes, give it a go next week while there's still 13 hours of light, then you can do the century
    before the clocks go back. Simon

  5. Simon Mason' email hidden in said:

    Yes, give it a go next week while there's still 13 hours of light, then you can do the century
    before the clocks go back. Simon

    I went back to work yesterday after 16 days off and to my delight, in my pigeon hole was a form
    saying that my annual leave in October has been approved. So I've got to think of somewhere else to
    visit during the 2nd and 3rd weeks of next month. The daylight hours *will* be getting shorter mind.

    How much difference does it make whether I head north or south? Towards the end of October (I picked
    the 21st) there is almost one hour difference between sunset times for Carlisle and Bournmouth. But
    since it still remains light for a period of time after the sun has set, how much difference does it
    make in practical terms? Will there still be a one hour difference in the length of visibility?

    Love and sunshine from Rich x

    --
    If ingnorance is bliss then I am the erm er luckiest thingy in the whatchamacallit. To mail me,
    change the obvious bit to richard

  6. elyob said:

    I'd give him a bit of slack.

    "Slack" was the problem in the first place!

    Quoted message said:

    Cables stretch. If you're nice, he'll just retune it with no problems.

    The cable hadn't stretched, it has just pulled through, because it hadn't been tightened
    sufficiently in the first place. He has now sorted it out (I didn't give him what for, because it
    was a different guy to last week, and unreasonable as I can be, it seemed a little unfair to blame
    him for what someone else had done wrong!), and it is working again - touch wood!

    Quoted message said:

    You should have brought some allen keys to adjust this type of thing with a new cable fitted IMO.
    I carry a full set of stuff every time I go out, so I don't need to rely on someone else in case
    of breakdown. I think I've got most things covered except for huge failures.

    If I have just taken my bike to the shop to have it fixed, I assume it is fixed. That is why I
    took it to the shop, rather than doing it myself; because I don't know how to fix things like
    that, I don't have much in the way of tools, and things tend to go horribly wrong when I try to
    work on them.

    If I've just paid someone £30 to fix my bike, I do not, and should not, expect to have to fix it
    myself just 30 miles later.

    --
    Stevie D \\\\\ ///// Bringing dating agencies to the \\\\\\\__X__///////
    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs" ___\\\\\\\'/
    \'///////_____________________________________________

  7. "Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Simon Mason' email hidden in said:

    Yes, give it a go next week while there's still 13 hours of light, then


    you

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    can do the century before the clocks go back. Simon

    I went back to work yesterday after 16 days off and to my delight, in my pigeon hole was a form
    saying that my annual leave in October has been approved. So I've got to think of somewhere else
    to visit during the 2nd and 3rd weeks of next month. The daylight hours *will* be getting
    shorter mind.

    How much difference does it make whether I head north or south? Towards the end of October (I
    picked the 21st) there is almost one hour difference between sunset times for Carlisle and
    Bournmouth. But since it still remains light for a period of time after the sun has set, how much
    difference does it make in practical terms? Will there still be a one hour difference in the
    length of visibility?

    If you download this programme, you can set your home address and it will
    show you the exact sunrise/sunset times for your location. Then zoom in on
    the UK and if you put the cursor over a city it will show you the local data
    at the bottom right. You can also see the twilight region as a grey line.

    dxatlas.comDownload.asp

    On 21 OCT 03 Land's End is 0752-1820 and John O' Groat's is 0801-1751, Dover is 0727-1750.
    --
    Simon Mason Anlaby East Yorkshire. 53°44'N 0°26'W simonmason.karoo.netsimonmason.karoo.net

  8. Simon Mason' email hidden in said:

    If you download this programme, you can set your home address and it will
    show you the exact sunrise/sunset times for your location. Then zoom in on
    the UK and if you put the cursor over a city it will show you the local data
    at the bottom right. You can also see the twilight region as a grey line.

    Ta muchly. "Twilight". That's the word I couldn't think of. No matter, why use one word when I can
    use an integral value between 19 and 21.
    --
    If ingnorance is bliss then I am the erm er luckiest thingy in the whatchamacallit. To mail me,
    change the obvious bit to richard

  9. "Stevie D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    elyob said:

    I'd give him a bit of slack.

    "Slack" was the problem in the first place!

    Quoted message said:

    Cables stretch. If you're nice, he'll just retune it with no problems.

    The cable hadn't stretched, it has just pulled through, because it hadn't been tightened
    sufficiently in the first place. He has now sorted it out (I didn't give him what for, because it
    was a different guy to last week, and unreasonable as I can be, it seemed a little unfair to blame
    him for what someone else had done wrong!), and it is working again - touch wood!

    Quoted message said:

    You should have brought some allen keys to adjust this type of thing with a new cable fitted
    IMO. I carry a full set of stuff every time I go out, so I don't need to rely on someone else in
    case of breakdown. I think I've got most things covered except for huge failures.

    If I have just taken my bike to the shop to have it fixed, I assume it is fixed. That is why I
    took it to the shop, rather than doing it myself; because I don't know how to fix things like
    that, I don't have much in the way of tools, and things tend to go horribly wrong when I try to
    work on them.

    If I've just paid someone £30 to fix my bike, I do not, and should not, expect to have to fix it
    myself just 30 miles later.

    I agree with you here. It should have been tightened correctly. Loose cables are particularly
    dangerous.

    It's always worth making sure someone has some basic tools to be able to fix anything that goes
    wrong, I always seem to be the one who carries the tools.
    🙁

    Maybe consider an alternative LBS if they are so lax. I have never left a cable that loose, and am
    just a DIY mechanic.

  10. "Stevie D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The cable hadn't stretched, it has just pulled through, because it hadn't been tightened
    sufficiently in the first place.

    We had a rear mech which gave constant trouble, the bike shop had several goes and the cable kept
    pulling through. They replaced the cable even, made no difference. Bob, my blind bike mechanic,
    spotted the problem straight away: the clamping plate was bent. He applied a bit of Birmingham to it
    and we've had no trouble since.

    --
    Guy
    ===

    WARNING: may contain traces of irony. Contents may settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.comchapmancentral.com

  11. you know?' email hidden in said:

    away: the clamping plate was bent. He applied a bit of Birmingham to it and we've had no
    trouble since.

    Ah, makes me proud to be a brummie! The good old Brummagem Screwdriver is the best tool you can buy.
    You can even buy cordless ones nowadays.
    --
    If ingnorance is bliss then I am the erm er luckiest thingy in the whatchamacallit. To mail me,
    change the obvious bit to richard

  12. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    "Stevie D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The cable hadn't stretched, it has just pulled through, because it hadn't been tightened
    sufficiently in the first place.

    Quoted message said:

    We had a rear mech which gave constant trouble, the bike shop had several goes and the cable kept
    pulling through. They replaced the cable even, made no difference. Bob, my blind bike mechanic,
    spotted the problem straight away: the clamping plate was bent. He applied a bit of Birmingham to
    it and we've had no trouble since.

    I take it 'Birmingham' = 'Birmingham screwdriver' = Hammer (or 'a nommer' in Dudleyspeak)

    She who passed her driving test in Lower Gornal.

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  13. So that'll be a Manchester Screwdriver. BTW what is the clamping plate on a rear mech ?

    "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Stevie D" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    The cable hadn't stretched, it has just pulled through, because it hadn't been tightened
    sufficiently in the first place.

    We had a rear mech which gave constant trouble, the bike shop had several goes and the cable kept
    pulling through. They replaced the cable even,


    made

    Quoted message said:

    no difference. Bob, my blind bike mechanic, spotted the problem straight away: the clamping plate
    was bent. He applied a bit of Birmingham to it


    and

    Quoted message said:

    we've had no trouble since.

    --
    Guy
    ===

    WARNING: may contain traces of irony. Contents may settle after posting.
    chapmancentral.comchapmancentral.com

  14. In message <[email hidden]>, M Series <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    BTW what is the clamping plate on a rear mech ?

    The gear cable is normally clamped on the rear mech under small, sort of 'L' shaped plate (tightened
    down with a bolt through it). Presumably the plate had become misshapen so that when it was
    tightened down it didn't quite hold the cable tight.
    --
    Chris French, Leeds

  15. Quoted message said:

    OK, so to a lot of you hardened types, 50 miles is nothing more than a warm up, but for the less
    fit among us, it's quite an achievement!

    Well done you!

    Cheers, helen s

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  16. Ah right so. I know what you mean now. Cheers Chris.

    "chris French" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, M Series <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    BTW what is the clamping plate on a rear mech ?

    The gear cable is normally clamped on the rear mech under small, sort of 'L' shaped plate
    (tightened down with a bolt through it). Presumably the plate had become misshapen so that when it
    was tightened down it didn't quite hold the cable tight.
    --
    Chris French, Leeds

  17. Stevie D said:

    If I have just taken my bike to the shop to have it fixed, I assume it is fixed. That is why I
    took it to the shop, rather than doing it myself; because I don't know how to fix things like
    that, I don't have much in the way of tools, and things tend to go horribly wrong when I try to
    work on them.
    =20
    If I've just paid someone =A330 to fix my bike, I do not, and should not, expect to have to fix it
    myself just 30 miles later.

    Quite fair, the shop should've done it properly.

    But in any case, I'd suggest a set of allen keys (quite possibly on a=20 multitool like the Alien XS
    which is small and light). This sort of job =

    really is quite easy, and every now and then you may be faced with=20 adjusting something "in the
    field", with no bike shop near. Stuff does=20 work loose all of its own accord over time and
    potholes, and if all you=20 need is a tightening tweak of an allen key for a second or two then
    it=20 isn't really something to be afraid of not being able to fix.

    In many cases, certainly gear shifters, one can work out what *should*=20 be happening just by
    following the requisite cables and wobbling the=20 moving parts to see where they go. Even if it
    subsequently turns out to =

    be something you take to the shop, you'll learn a bit about the system=20 and can go in armed with
    exactly what needs done, and check it has been=20 at the specific fix level.

    Pete. --=20 Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics,
    Ninewells Hospital Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
    dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

  18. Richard Bates said:

    Ah, makes me proud to be a brummie! The good old Brummagem Screwdriver is the best tool you can
    buy. You can even buy cordless ones nowadays.

    What would a non-cordless Brummie Screwdriver look like? Does it have a wrist-strap or
    something? <g>

    --
    Stevie D \\\\\ ///// Bringing dating agencies to the \\\\\\\__X__///////
    common hedgehog since 2001 - "HedgeHugs" ___\\\\\\\'/
    \'///////_____________________________________________

  19. Stevie D said:

    What would a non-cordless Brummie Screwdriver look like? Does it have a wrist-strap or
    something? <g>

    Or perhaps a length of heavy duty air hose linking it to a compressor...

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch University of Dundee Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Medical Physics, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK net [email hidden]
    dundee.ac.uk~pjclinch

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