Hadley and DT Wheels?

Craig Brossman said:

Looking at finally getting a good set of wheels. I've been riding a
set of machine built XT wheels for years now, they don't hold tension
very well, and damn, I just feel like having a nice set of wheels.

I've centered in on Hadley hubs and DT 4.1d rims, both seem like good
quality at a fair price.
I've also considered CK hubs, but that is what the Mrs. has on her
bike and I thought I'd go a little different, and from what I hear,
perhaps louder.

Any reason to stay away from a Hadley/DT wheel?

No reason I can think of.

I run Hadley hubs on all my bikes. They take DH racing abuse and run great
XC. They are easy to work on and require minimal maintenance. Be sure the
freehub has a 108 point engagement. You can convert the rear to different
axle types. I have the 10mm through axle on my XC bike and my Bullit.
Changing a flat is no problem, all it takes is one 6mm hex key to release
the axle. I would choose Hadley over CK any day.

I have no experience with DT rims but they look quality.

Mike

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Quoted message said:

Looking at finally getting a good set of wheels. I've been riding a set of
machine built XT wheels for years now, they don't hold tension very well,
and damn, I just feel like having a nice set of wheels.

I've centered in on Hadley hubs and DT 4.1d rims, both seem like good
quality at a fair price.
I've also considered CK hubs, but that is what the Mrs. has on her bike
and I thought I'd go a little different, and from what I hear, perhaps
louder.

Any reason to stay away from a Hadley/DT wheel?

Oh yeah, 175lbs, Ventana El Salt (4" travel), XC riding, Geax Sturdy 2.25
tires, Durango area trails. (Did I forget anything?)

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.

Good solid choice. I would also look at Industry Nine Hubs.
http://www.industrynine.net/

Dean A. Stepper said:

"Craig Brossman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Looking at finally getting a good set of wheels. I've been riding a set of
machine built XT wheels for years now, they don't hold tension very well,
and damn, I just feel like having a nice set of wheels.

I've centered in on Hadley hubs and DT 4.1d rims, both seem like good
quality at a fair price.
I've also considered CK hubs, but that is what the Mrs. has on her bike
and I thought I'd go a little different, and from what I hear, perhaps
louder.

Any reason to stay away from a Hadley/DT wheel?

Oh yeah, 175lbs, Ventana El Salt (4" travel), XC riding, Geax Sturdy 2.25
tires, Durango area trails. (Did I forget anything?)

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.

Good solid choice. I would also look at Industry Nine Hubs.
http://www.industrynine.net/

They look very expen$ive! Very hot and and sexy as hell, which means
they have to cost mucho dinero.

--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws

Ride-A-Lot said:

Dean A. Stepper said:

"Craig Brossman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Looking at finally getting a good set of wheels. I've been riding a
set of machine built XT wheels for years now, they don't hold
tension very well, and damn, I just feel like having a nice set of
wheels.

I've centered in on Hadley hubs and DT 4.1d rims, both seem like
good quality at a fair price.
I've also considered CK hubs, but that is what the Mrs. has on her
bike and I thought I'd go a little different, and from what I hear,
perhaps louder.

Any reason to stay away from a Hadley/DT wheel?

Oh yeah, 175lbs, Ventana El Salt (4" travel), XC riding, Geax
Sturdy 2.25 tires, Durango area trails. (Did I forget anything?)

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.

Good solid choice. I would also look at Industry Nine Hubs.
http://www.industrynine.net/

They look very expen$ive! Very hot and and sexy as hell, which means
they have to cost mucho dinero.

Custom hubs, custom spokes = custom repairs.

Hadley hubs, standard spokes = nearly any lbs will do.

Mike - give me good ol' three cross.

Michael Dart said:

Changing a flat is no problem, all it takes is one 6mm hex key to release
the axle.

Check yo axles!

The aluminum can wear over time and begin to round
out. It's a relatively heap replacement but after
two years mine decided to give way and round out
in the middle of a ride. Thankfully I had a patch
or I would have been screwed. Back home it took a
surprising amount of effort to drill out the dead
axle.

Michael Dart said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

Dean A. Stepper said:

"Craig Brossman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> Looking at finally getting a good set of wheels. I've been riding a
> set of machine built XT wheels for years now, they don't hold
> tension very well, and damn, I just feel like having a nice set of
> wheels.
>
> I've centered in on Hadley hubs and DT 4.1d rims, both seem like
> good quality at a fair price.
> I've also considered CK hubs, but that is what the Mrs. has on her
> bike and I thought I'd go a little different, and from what I hear,
> perhaps louder.
>
> Any reason to stay away from a Hadley/DT wheel?
>
> Oh yeah, 175lbs, Ventana El Salt (4" travel), XC riding, Geax
> Sturdy 2.25 tires, Durango area trails. (Did I forget anything?)
>
> --
> Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado
>
> Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.
Good solid choice. I would also look at Industry Nine Hubs.
http://www.industrynine.net/

They look very expen$ive! Very hot and and sexy as hell, which means
they have to cost mucho dinero.

Custom hubs, custom spokes = custom repairs.

Hadley hubs, standard spokes = nearly any lbs will do.

Mike - give me good ol' three cross.

That is where my head is at. I've looked at the I9 wheels, they are so
pretty! But also new, somewhat unproven, and quite pricey, starting
around $850/pair.
I've exchanged email with the I9 guys, they seem like they would be good
to work with.

The guy who I am getting my wheels from also sells I9 and has been
supplying Ventana and Turner owners with some recently. According to the
MTBR boards, everyone seems happy with them, but of course, no one has
any long term durability information. I guess it is just based on looks.

A $300 up charge for really pretty wheels does not seem worth it,
considering the Hadley's with the same rims are about the same weight,
and offer at least as good a hub, with proven long term quality.

If there are no detractors, I'm calling Larry now and ordering!

IMHO

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.

p e t e f a g e r l i n said:

Michael Dart said:

Changing a flat is no problem, all it takes is one 6mm hex key to release
the axle.

Check yo axles!

The aluminum can wear over time and begin to round out. It's a
relatively heap replacement but after two years mine decided to give way
and round out in the middle of a ride. Thankfully I had a patch or I
would have been screwed. Back home it took a surprising amount of effort
to drill out the dead axle.

Pete, and comments on Hadley wheels or DT rims ... or mud in Colorado.
We are coming up to the 2 year anniversary of 903.

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.

Craig Brossman said:

Pete, and comments on Hadley wheels or DT rims ... or mud in Colorado.
We are coming up to the 2 year anniversary of 903.

Hadley hubs are good pieces, I've never used DT
rims and I will continue sound mud avoidance
practices in the Fruita area during the Fest this
year.

p e t e f a g e r l i n said:

Michael Dart said:

Changing a flat is no problem, all it takes is one 6mm hex key to release
the axle.

Check yo axles!

The aluminum can wear over time and begin to round out. It's a
relatively heap replacement but after two years mine decided to give way
and round out in the middle of a ride. Thankfully I had a patch or I
would have been screwed. Back home it took a surprising amount of effort
to drill out the dead axle.

I think I'll stick with XTR and trying to find some NOS non-anodized,
fully socketed rims the next time I build wheels. My 9 year old XTRs
are running just like new.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

G.T. said:

p e t e f a g e r l i n said:

Michael Dart said:

Changing a flat is no problem, all it takes is one 6mm hex key to
release
the axle.

Check yo axles!

The aluminum can wear over time and begin to round out. It's a
relatively heap replacement but after two years mine decided to give
way and round out in the middle of a ride. Thankfully I had a patch or
I would have been screwed. Back home it took a surprising amount of
effort to drill out the dead axle.

I think I'll stick with XTR and trying to find some NOS non-anodized,
fully socketed rims the next time I build wheels. My 9 year old XTRs
are running just like new.

Greg

I've had no problems with my CK's and Sun Rhyno Lites.

--
o-o-o-o Ride-A-Lot o-o-o-o
www.schnauzers.ws

Ride-A-Lot said:

G.T. said:

p e t e f a g e r l i n said:

Michael Dart wrote:

> Changing a flat is no problem, all it takes is one 6mm hex key to
> release
> the axle.

Check yo axles!

The aluminum can wear over time and begin to round out. It's a
relatively heap replacement but after two years mine decided to give
way and round out in the middle of a ride. Thankfully I had a patch
or I would have been screwed. Back home it took a surprising amount
of effort to drill out the dead axle.

I think I'll stick with XTR and trying to find some NOS non-anodized,
fully socketed rims the next time I build wheels. My 9 year old XTRs
are running just like new.

Greg

I've had no problems with my CK's and Sun Rhyno Lites.

Well, AFAIK there is no aftermarket hub out there that attaches the
freehub to the hub body as solidly as Shimano's do. For lightweights
that's not a problem.

Greg

--
"All my time I spent in heaven
Revelries of dance and wine
Waking to the sound of laughter
Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

p e t e f a g e r l i n said:

Michael Dart said:

Changing a flat is no problem, all it takes is one 6mm hex key to
release the axle.

Check yo axles!

The aluminum can wear over time and begin to round
out. It's a relatively heap replacement but after
two years mine decided to give way and round out
in the middle of a ride. Thankfully I had a patch
or I would have been screwed. Back home it took a
surprising amount of effort to drill out the dead
axle.

Thanks for the head's up. I'll check.

Mike

G.T. said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

G.T. said:

p e t e f a g e r l i n wrote:

> Michael Dart wrote:
>
>> Changing a flat is no problem, all it takes is one 6mm hex key to
>> release
>> the axle.
>
>
>
> Check yo axles!
>
> The aluminum can wear over time and begin to round out. It's a
> relatively heap replacement but after two years mine decided to
> give way and round out in the middle of a ride. Thankfully I had a
> patch or I would have been screwed. Back home it took a surprising
> amount of effort to drill out the dead axle.

I think I'll stick with XTR and trying to find some NOS
non-anodized, fully socketed rims the next time I build wheels. My
9 year old XTRs are running just like new.

Greg

I've had no problems with my CK's and Sun Rhyno Lites.

Well, AFAIK there is no aftermarket hub out there that attaches the
freehub to the hub body as solidly as Shimano's do. For lightweights
that's not a problem.

Greg

With Hadley's the freehub is held to the hub body by the internal "axle" and
end caps. It's quite secure and holds up to a ton of abuse. It also make's
freehub maintenance a snap by that you have easy access to the pawl's once
it is removed from the hub body. I've had a couple Shimano freehub bolt's
come loose and futz up the hub.

Mike

Michael Dart said:

I have no experience with DT rims but they look quality.

I have a set of DT rims on my 29er and they are working out well so
far.

As far as the Hadley hubs go, why not a Hugi 240? I've been running
one of the Freak bike and have only had to change the pawls once, which
is really easy to do. The Hugi is less expensive and lighter than the
Hadley. Why mess with a 6mm wrench to remove a wheel on an XC bike if
you don't have to?

JD

JD said:

Michael Dart said:

I have no experience with DT rims but they look quality.

I have a set of DT rims on my 29er and they are working out well so
far.

As far as the Hadley hubs go, why not a Hugi 240? I've been running
one of the Freak bike and have only had to change the pawls once,
which is really easy to do. The Hugi is less expensive and lighter
than the Hadley. Why mess with a 6mm wrench to remove a wheel on an
XC bike if you don't have to?

To add stiffness to certain suspension designs.

Mike

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G.T. said:

Ride-A-Lot said:

G.T. wrote:

> p e t e f a g e r l i n wrote:
>
>> Michael Dart wrote:
>>
>>> Changing a flat is no problem, all it takes is one 6mm hex key to
>>> release
>>> the axle.
>>
>>
>>
>> Check yo axles!
>>
>> The aluminum can wear over time and begin to round out. It's a
>> relatively heap replacement but after two years mine decided to
>> give way and round out in the middle of a ride. Thankfully I had a
>> patch or I would have been screwed. Back home it took a surprising
>> amount of effort to drill out the dead axle.
>
>
> I think I'll stick with XTR and trying to find some NOS
> non-anodized, fully socketed rims the next time I build wheels. My
> 9 year old XTRs are running just like new.
>
> Greg
>

I've had no problems with my CK's and Sun Rhyno Lites.

Well, AFAIK there is no aftermarket hub out there that attaches the
freehub to the hub body as solidly as Shimano's do. For lightweights
that's not a problem.

Greg

With Hadley's the freehub is held to the hub body by the internal "axle"

and

Quoted message said:

end caps. It's quite secure and holds up to a ton of abuse. It also

make's

Quoted message said:

freehub maintenance a snap by that you have easy access to the pawl's once
it is removed from the hub body. I've had a couple Shimano freehub bolt's
come loose and futz up the hub.

Cool, thanks for the info.

Greg

Michael Dart said:

JD said:

Michael Dart said:

I have no experience with DT rims but they look quality.

I have a set of DT rims on my 29er and they are working out well so
far.

As far as the Hadley hubs go, why not a Hugi 240? I've been running
one of the Freak bike and have only had to change the pawls once,
which is really easy to do. The Hugi is less expensive and lighter
than the Hadley. Why mess with a 6mm wrench to remove a wheel on an
XC bike if you don't have to?

To add stiffness to certain suspension designs.

Ahhh, another magic part that makes a crappy design almost bearable.
Sounds like it was made with santa crud in mind. Craig's Ventana does
not *need* help in that department.

JD

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Quoted message said:

Craig Brossman said:

Pete, and comments on Hadley wheels or DT rims ... or mud in Colorado. We
are coming up to the 2 year anniversary of 903.

Hadley hubs are good pieces, I've never used DT rims and I will continue
sound mud avoidance practices in the Fruita area during the Fest this
year.

50 pound mud bikes are awesome. Even better when the mud dries before you
have a chance to wash it off.

TJ

"Craig Brossman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Looking at finally getting a good set of wheels. I've been riding a set of
machine built XT wheels for years now, they don't hold tension very well,
and damn, I just feel like having a nice set of wheels.

I've centered in on Hadley hubs and DT 4.1d rims, both seem like good
quality at a fair price.
I've also considered CK hubs, but that is what the Mrs. has on her bike
and I thought I'd go a little different, and from what I hear, perhaps
louder.

Any reason to stay away from a Hadley/DT wheel?

Oh yeah, 175lbs, Ventana El Salt (4" travel), XC riding, Geax Sturdy 2.25
tires, Durango area trails. (Did I forget anything?)

--
Craig Brossman, Durango Colorado

Owner/Operator of the Pekingnese Ranch.

Hey Craig,

After reading through some of the posts, what screams at me is JD's advice.
I really like DT's hubs. The hub shells hold up well to massive amounts of
torque. They are durrable. They are also serviced localy here in Grand
Junction at DT Swiss's US headquarters. They really stand behind their
product, and you don't need any tools to service them. As you are probably
aware the King hubs need a King tool to take them apart. Good Luck on your
choice. Lots of good advice. Some not so good.

TJ