gyno question

I have not used any juice for about 2 weeks. I still feel some
swelling. I hope this goes away soon or at least stops.

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> > thanks for your words of support. I'm just freaking out. I can't

tell

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> > you how many times this afternoon I was looking in the mirror. I

just

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> > feel so ashamed.
>
> You are what you are. No one else looks like a model, either. Take a
> step back and figure out where you can go from here. If you want to

pay

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> for plastic surgery you can follow that option. Or you can just wear
> whatever clothing makes you feel comfortable and not worry about it.
> Lots of guys have this - really, lots. Go stand in a Wal*Mart parking
> lot some Saturday morning and take a look.
>
> In my opinion your best course of action is to not sweat the stuff you
> can't do anything about and spend your energy working on improving the
> stuff you can. THAT'S what will make you an attractive person.

Having gyno is A LOT different than man [censored].

Not really.

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Gyno's a serious problem.

How so?

If it gets bad enough, gyno will require expensive surgery to correct. I
assimilate man [censored] with more of being fat, whereas gyno is caused by
(pro)hormones.

Maybe you can get a reach around, sweet [censored].

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I have not used any juice for about 2 weeks. I still feel some
swelling. I hope this goes away soon or at least stops.

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> "Dally" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >
> > > thanks for your words of support. I'm just freaking out. I
> > > can't

tell

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> > > you how many times this afternoon I was looking in the mirror. I

just

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> > > feel so ashamed.
> >
> > You are what you are. No one else looks like a model, either.
> > Take a
> > step back and figure out where you can go from here. If you want
> > to

pay

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> > for plastic surgery you can follow that option. Or you can just
> > wear
> > whatever clothing makes you feel comfortable and not worry about
> > it.
> > Lots of guys have this - really, lots. Go stand in a Wal*Mart
> > parking
> > lot some Saturday morning and take a look.
> >
> > In my opinion your best course of action is to not sweat the stuff
> > you
> > can't do anything about and spend your energy working on improving
> > the
> > stuff you can. THAT'S what will make you an attractive person.
>
> Having gyno is A LOT different than man [censored].

Not really.

> Gyno's a serious problem.

How so?

If it gets bad enough, gyno will require expensive surgery to correct. I
assimilate man [censored] with more of being fat, whereas gyno is caused by
(pro)hormones.

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I have not used any juice for about 2 weeks. I still feel some
swelling. I hope this goes away soon or at least stops.

You can't stop steroids cold turkey. You MUST do a proper PCT. Go to the
doctor and get some blood work done. Tell him about your gyno.

John said:

You can't stop steroids cold turkey. You MUST
do a proper PCT. Go to the doctor and get some
blood work done. Tell him about your gyno.

Here's the deal, too. Has anyone seen a photo of the OP? Can anyone be
sure it's truly gyno? The OP seemed unsure or oblivious (no offense)
until some gym rat offered his opinion. An opinion that may not be
true.

Is the OP losing weight and building muscle, but still hanging onto his
last bit of fatty tissue in his chest area? Could it be that he's not
suffering from gynecomastia at all?

In order to answer those questions, I agree with John that perhaps the
OP should go to his doctor and get some blood work done as well as
inquire about the possibility of his having gyno.

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I stopped juicing as soon as I realized there might be a problem.

In the meantime, I made an appointment with my general doctor. I will
see him this week. I could not explain the problem to the receptionist
when I called. I hope the doctor understands.

it has gotten to the point that I feel my nipples rubbing against my
undershirt during the day and under the sheet at night. now that I
look at my chest every day, I think I see more puffiness.

what a mess.

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I stopped juicing as soon as I realized there might be a problem.

In the meantime, I made an appointment with my general doctor. I will
see him this week. I could not explain the problem to the receptionist
when I called. I hope the doctor understands.

it has gotten to the point that I feel my nipples rubbing against my
undershirt during the day and under the sheet at night. now that I
look at my chest every day, I think I see more puffiness.

what a mess.

Yes.

I thought once I stopped, it would not get worse. anything I can do
before I see the doctor (and hope he understands)?

I was letting the hair grow back on my chest. what does the doctor
need to see to diagnose gyno?

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I was letting the hair grow back on my chest. what does the doctor
need to see to diagnose gyno?

Oh, Daffy is still posting?

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I thought once I stopped, it would not get worse. anything I can do
before I see the doctor (and hope he understands)?

I was letting the hair grow back on my chest. what does the doctor
need to see to diagnose gyno?

I know you are mortified about this, but I just want to re-iterate that
you are a slab of meat to the doctor. Everyone has a human body, everyone
wants to keep it private, but we're ALL naked under our clothes. The
doctor has seen much, much worse than what you're bringing in.

A little bit of hair, or shaved clean - it won't matter. Just be utterly
completely honest about what you're doing with your body - what drugs,
what supplements, what your routine is and what your goals are - don't
worry about being judged. You're at least off the couch attempting to
help yourself. I promise you that you won't be the stupidest person the
doctor sees that day.

All good advice. But, since, by definition, SOMEBODY has to be the stupidest
person the doctor sees that day, it COULD be Mr Nulifter. His quote "I
stopped juicing as soon as I realized there might be a problem" does not
inspire confidence.

David

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I thought once I stopped, it would not get
worse.

So it's gotten worse?

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anything I can do before I see the doctor

I can't think of a thing. Brush your teeth? New underwear?

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(and hope he understands)?

I'd look for a female doctor, but that's a personal preference.
Regardless of your physician's gender, it's not their job to pass
judgment on the ethics or morality of using steroids, but rather to
treat your physical symptoms, right? Or what did you mean by your
doctor understanding?

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I was letting the hair grow back on my chest.

The hairless option would give the doc a less obstructed view, though.

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what does the doctor need to see to diagnose gyno?

I don't understand you. How can you not know if you have gyno or not?
Are you a) a skinny guy, b) a fat guy, or c) a muscular guy?

If a) then you should have noticed a big jump in the amount of tissue
around your nipples, right?

If b) then I'll ask my question again (from elsewhere in this thread)
which was something like "Have you lost weight overall but still have
some fatty tissue in your chest area and therefore is there a chance
you're not suffering from gyno at all?"

If you're c) then does your chest now have this (follow link or Google
gyno) <http://www.secure-sales.org.uk/clinic/images/gynecomastia.jpg>
look to it?

And have you visited the following Web site?
http://www.gynecomastia.org/

Best of luck with your training and supplementation.

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On 3 Oct 2005 18:53:49 -0700, "Curt James" <[email hidden]>

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anything I can do before I see the doctor

Put on clean socks.

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I thought once I stopped, it would not get worse. anything I can do
before I see the doctor (and hope he understands)?

I was letting the hair grow back on my chest. what does the doctor
need to see to diagnose gyno?

I know you are mortified about this, but I just want to re-iterate that
you are a slab of meat to the doctor. Everyone has a human body,
everyone wants to keep it private, but we're ALL naked under our
clothes. The doctor has seen much, much worse than what you're bringing
in.

A little bit of hair, or shaved clean - it won't matter. Just be
utterly completely honest about what you're doing with your body - what
drugs, what supplements, what your routine is and what your goals are -
don't worry about being judged. You're at least off the couch
attempting to help yourself. I promise you that you won't be the
stupidest person the doctor sees that day.

Dally

Dally said:

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I thought once I stopped, it would not get worse. anything I can do
before I see the doctor (and hope he understands)?

I was letting the hair grow back on my chest. what does the doctor
need to see to diagnose gyno?

I know you are mortified about this, but I just want to re-iterate that
you are a slab of meat to the doctor. Everyone has a human body,
everyone wants to keep it private, but we're ALL naked under our
clothes. The doctor has seen much, much worse than what you're bringing
in.

A little bit of hair, or shaved clean - it won't matter. Just be
utterly completely honest about what you're doing with your body - what
drugs, what supplements, what your routine is and what your goals are -
don't worry about being judged. You're at least off the couch
attempting to help yourself. I promise you that you won't be the
stupidest person the doctor sees that day.

Does that mean you have the same doctor Dolly? ;o)

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Dally said:

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I thought once I stopped, it would not get worse. anything I can do
before I see the doctor (and hope he understands)?

I was letting the hair grow back on my chest. what does the doctor
need to see to diagnose gyno?

I know you are mortified about this, but I just want to re-iterate that
you are a slab of meat to the doctor. Everyone has a human body,
everyone wants to keep it private, but we're ALL naked under our
clothes. The doctor has seen much, much worse than what you're bringing
in.

A little bit of hair, or shaved clean - it won't matter. Just be
utterly completely honest about what you're doing with your body - what
drugs, what supplements, what your routine is and what your goals are -
don't worry about being judged. You're at least off the couch
attempting to help yourself. I promise you that you won't be the
stupidest person the doctor sees that day.

Does that mean you have the same doctor Dolly? ;o)

At least Dolly shaves however!

I looked at the links you provided and my situation is not as severe as
those depicted. JMW posted a google image search that had thousands.
some of those look like me (they are not sagging). I don't believe it
to be fat for the other symptoms I mentioned. I have no choice now but
to tell the doctor how much of the stuff I was using.

thanks for your help Curt

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I looked at the links you provided and my situation is not as severe as
those depicted. JMW posted a google image search that had thousands.
some of those look like me (they are not sagging). I don't believe it
to be fat for the other symptoms I mentioned. I have no choice now but
to tell the doctor how much of the stuff I was using.

thanks for your help Curt

I think some of the advice (including mine, if I recall correctly) to
stop the testosterone cold turkey may have been erroneus. I'm hoping
that a couple of the people in this group who are more knowledgable
about coming off of steroid cycles will chime in here (or email you
privately).

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Charles said:

oes that mean you have the same doctor Dolly? ;o)

Don't you mean "veternarian" Charles?

well at least you gave me some advice. I hope that by the end of the
week I'll have some treatment to help slow down/eliminate the gyno. I
hope I don't need surgery, I don't want to think about the expense.

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well at least you gave me some advice. I hope that by the end of the
week I'll have some treatment to help slow down/eliminate the gyno. I
hope I don't need surgery, I don't want to think about the expense.

The 4 week PCT I've used for prohormones include (all in mg):

Nolva (tamoxifen citrate) over 4 days 40/30/20/10
ATD the first 3 days 25/50/75 then 100 next 4 days; then over the next 3
weeks 75/50/25
DHEA 100/75/50/25
Fenugreek 1830/2440/3050/3660

Daily supplements throughout the cycle and PCT:

1200 mg red yeast rice
1130 mg hawthorne berries
20 mg 2x ed policosanol
540 mg saw palmetto
1000 mg NAC
600 mg milk thistle
Multi
3 g fish oil
3 g flax oil
1000 mg calcium

I've only taken Mythel cycles, so I needed to protect my liver and lipids.

You need to get full blood work. It wouldn't hurt to start taking
supplements now. It also wouldn't hurt to do a PCT.

If your doc won't give you Nolvadex, or similar SERM, email me.

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well at least you gave me some advice. I hope that by the end of the
week I'll have some treatment to help slow down/eliminate the gyno. I
hope I don't need surgery, I don't want to think about the expense.

The 4 week PCT I've used for prohormones include (all in mg):

Nolva (tamoxifen citrate) over 4 days 40/30/20/10
ATD the first 3 days 25/50/75 then 100 next 4 days; then over the next 3
weeks 75/50/25
DHEA 100/75/50/25
Fenugreek 1830/2440/3050/3660

Daily supplements throughout the cycle and PCT:

1200 mg red yeast rice
1130 mg hawthorne berries
20 mg 2x ed policosanol
540 mg saw palmetto
1000 mg NAC
600 mg milk thistle
Multi
3 g fish oil
3 g flax oil
1000 mg calcium

I've only taken Mythel cycles, so I needed to protect my liver and lipids.

You need to get full blood work. It wouldn't hurt to start taking
supplements now. It also wouldn't hurt to do a PCT.

If your doc won't give you Nolvadex, or similar SERM, email me.

Nolvadex will work if the process is already started. The best drug to keep
gyno from happening is Arimidex. Once you have a hard polyp under the nipple,
the only way it can be taken care of surgically. I have had mine cut out
twice.

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intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
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