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  1. I recently sold my roadbike (it was stationary for months) to persue the MTB scene. I still need to do some saving to get the bike I want!๐Ÿ™‚

    What I want to do in the meantime is train in the gym to prep for MTB endurance/XC racing.

    I am overweight, not doing anything (exercise) and decided to get off my @ss and do something about it!!

    What exercises should I be doing in the gym to achieve my goal of MTB endurance/XC racing?๐Ÿ˜•

    I should be getting my bike in a few months time!!

    Appreciate any input!๐Ÿ˜„

  2. Lepanini said:

    ...What exercises should I be doing in the gym to achieve my goal of MTB endurance/XC racing?๐Ÿ˜• ...

    Ride the ergs in the gym. Do 2x20' workouts at a level that's hard, but manageable in terms of finishing both sets. Modern gym ergs let you dial in your power manually in watts so you can use the erg to estimate your FTP and design your workouts accordingly. It's one of the easiest ways to introduce power into your training if you're going to be stuck in the gym anyway. Read up on the training and power forums here, especially the early pages of this thread: http://www.cyclingforums.com/t314849.html it's all about gaining fitness on gym ergs and then taking that fitness outside.

    Good luck,
    Dave

  3. you could do as me eitehr buy a ergometer or use one in the gym.Also bulk some up. MTB'ers usually stand slightly heavyer then cyclists. A bit of upperboddy is needed to manouvrate the bike told a gym buddy who does marathons on a mountainbike. he's still skinny himself anywayz. But if you watch the tv they seem just a bit more strngthened in the arms.

    I use watt to train fitness anywhare from 120 - 280 watt at the moment 45 mintues a day. its getting me bike fit. Meanwhil i use the time in the gym to gain some quality weight (i'm looking into swimming and parkour) mainly the lather needs some strength. My target is to weigh as much as my heigh in cm - 100 cm. With the biking i'll be able to cycle outside in teh summer do a triathlon, show off a six pack with hopefully something that represents arms.

    I go high rpm at 120 - 140 watt 120 rpm - 140 rpm
    use normal rpm 90 - 100 in intevals on the 200 + watt numbers.
    But i'm still a reasonable beginner(meaning im not so long SERIOUSLY bussy with it).

  4. Uhhh....stationary bike?๐Ÿ˜„

    but seriously, folks. I think if you are in a gym you ought to do what I wish I had: use weights or machines to build up the leg muscles which are NOT strengthened by biking in order to promote joint stability. You may need to use your legs to keep from falling and it may be tough on your joints.

  5. garage sale GT said:

    Uhhh....stationary bike?๐Ÿ˜„

    but seriously, folks. I think if you are in a gym you ought to do what I wish I had: use weights or machines to build up the leg muscles which are NOT strengthened by biking in order to promote joint stability. You may need to use your legs to keep from falling and it may be tough on your joints.

    I agree, but always remember
    [font=Fixedsys]higher reps, lower weight=more endurance, less bulk (weight)[/font]

    [font=Fixedsys]lower reps, higher weight=more bulk, more explosiveness (sprinters), less endurance.[/font]

  6. Bikelyst said:

    I agree, but always remember
    [font=Fixedsys]higher reps, lower weight=more endurance, less bulk (weight)[/font]

    [font=Fixedsys]lower reps, higher weight=more bulk, more explosiveness (sprinters), less endurance.[/font]


    Thanks for the adive Bikelyst! I will get cracking soon!๐Ÿ˜„

  7. Lepanini said:

    Thanks for the adive Bikelyst! I will get cracking soon!๐Ÿ˜„


    Glad to help ๐Ÿ™‚

  8. Lepanini,

    I have been an avid weightlifter for ten years and I do believe that there are some great benefits you can get from spending some time in the gym. I am definately not the person to give you advice on what to be doing on the ergs but as far as actual weight training here are a couple things that should help.

    1. If you want to avoid "bulking up" then try to focus on high-intensity training. You can do this by using a variety of techniques including supersets, drop sets, circuit training, opposing muscle groups, and time. This also helps keep the workouts interesting for folks who don't really enjoy lifting.

    2. Try and keep your reps in the 15-25 range and your sets around 3 for each exercise.

    3. Limit your rest to no more than 60 seconds between sets.

    I have only been cycling for almost 4 months and I have had to change my approach to weight lifting as being "huge" doesn't really help on the bike. I am currently working at losing 10-15 pounds of upper-body mass to help my cycling/climbing as bench-pressing 345 lbs for three reps doesn't do much for me on the bicycle.

    If you are interested I would be happy to put together an example of a program you could try for a couple weeks. Just let me know how often you want to lift (I recommend 3 or 4 days a week) and give me a day and I will post it in this forum.

  9. spin bike with an HRM. you can get some very high quality training done if you know your zones/levels, and have a well structured training plan. spinbikes are way better than the exercycles in terms of getting it setup to feel like a roadbike

  10. Take up Bigheads offer to put together a sample program.

    I target strenght without bulk, as per Bigheads comments. See my training log.

  11. bighead_9901 said:

    Lepanini,

    I have been an avid weightlifter for ten years and I do believe that there are some great benefits you can get from spending some time in the gym. I am definately not the person to give you advice on what to be doing on the ergs but as far as actual weight training here are a couple things that should help.

    1. If you want to avoid "bulking up" then try to focus on high-intensity training. You can do this by using a variety of techniques including supersets, drop sets, circuit training, opposing muscle groups, and time. This also helps keep the workouts interesting for folks who don't really enjoy lifting.

    2. Try and keep your reps in the 15-25 range and your sets around 3 for each exercise.

    3. Limit your rest to no more than 60 seconds between sets.

    I have only been cycling for almost 4 months and I have had to change my approach to weight lifting as being "huge" doesn't really help on the bike. I am currently working at losing 10-15 pounds of upper-body mass to help my cycling/climbing as bench-pressing 345 lbs for three reps doesn't do much for me on the bicycle.

    If you are interested I would be happy to put together an example of a program you could try for a couple weeks. Just let me know how often you want to lift (I recommend 3 or 4 days a week) and give me a day and I will post it in this forum.

    Hi bighead_9901.

    Thank you for your reply.I will def. take you up on your offer!!!

    I will be training for no less than 3 days a week.The training will be done in the morning for max 1.25 hours. I would appreciate any help/program that you can asisst me with!!๐Ÿ˜„ You can post it is soon as you are ready and maybe other people on the forum can use it as well.It will be done in conjunction with a healthy eating plan.

    Thanking you in advance for the help!

  12. Lepanini said:

    Hi bighead_9901.

    Thank you for your reply.I will def. take you up on your offer!!!

    I will be training for no less than 3 days a week.The training will be done in the morning for max 1.25 hours. I would appreciate any help/program that you can asisst me with!!๐Ÿ˜„ You can post it is soon as you are ready and maybe other people on the forum can use it as well.It will be done in conjunction with a healthy eating plan.

    Thanking you in advance for the help!


    No problem. I will do it tomorrow evening because I'm babysitting tonight. I will post two weightlifting programs you can try but they won't include any cardio/cycling because I know you can get better advice about that from someone else on this website.

  13. bighead_9901 said:

    No problem. I will do it tomorrow evening because I'm babysitting tonight. I will post two weightlifting programs you can try but they won't include any cardio/cycling because I know you can get better advice about that from someone else on this website.

    Thanx bighead_9901! I will be waiting for your post.๐Ÿ˜„

  14. Alright I know this is a rather long post but I tried to shorten as much as possible and have it still make sense. If you don't understand something then just please ask and I will try and explain it better. Your first week you will probably be spending a good portion of your time figuring out what weight you can use for a given exercise to perform the correct repetitions. You should get a small notebook/log to record the exercises/weights used which will make things easier and also allows you to see improvement. One other thing that no one has mentioned is not only do higher reps help with muscular endurance, getting "ripped", and help prevent bulking up but higher reps also strengthen the ligaments and tendons which is always a good thing.

    I always reccommend taking a good whey protein supplement following your workouts. Designer Protein is a good choice because it's pretty cheap, tastes good, and is a proven formula that works. You can find a 5 lb bucket of it for around $25 or $30 online. You don't need to take a ton as you aren't trying to bulk up. Supplementing with 20 grams after a workout is plenty. Also eat a piece of fruit with the protein (bananas) to provide you a quick carb for recovery.

    All of these workouts will be short and intense. You should be able to finish a workout between 30-40 minutes max which then gives you time to do core work and cardio which I have not included.

    Prior to beginning a workout you should warm up for 10 minutes. I normally do this by doing a light jog on a treadmill or eliptical but any cardio type exercise will work. I like to get my heart rate up to about 70% during this warm up but not higher.

    Also before beginning the exercises for a specific body part perform one warm up set which is not included in the exercises below. To do this just perform on additional set of the first exercise. To perform this warmup set select a weight you could easily do 20 times. On the 20th rep you should feel a decent burn but you should feel like you could do 10 more reps. For the pullups you will want to warm up with lat pulldowns unless you can do 20 pullups easily.

    Workout 1

    Monday/Thursday: Back, biceps, legs
    Pullups 3sets/15-20reps, 60 seconds max rest between sets
    (If you can't do 15 20 reps of pullups don't worry a lot of folks can't but pullups are probably one of the best upperbody exercises you can do. In order to accomplish these you can either use a spotter by bending your knees and crossing your ankles and having them support you by your ankles or do as many pull ups as possible then immediately move to a lat pull down machine and perform the remaining reps. An example would be 6 pullups immediately followed by 10 reps of lat pull downs. This would be one set. If you can do 15-20 pullups then just increase your reps. I would stay away from weighted pullups even though they are a great exercise they will signifcantly increase your backs muscle mass.)

    Select one of the following for the second exercise:
    One Arm Dumb Bell Rows 3sets/15-20 reps
    (Do 15-20 reps one one arm then immediately switch arms without rest. The muscles on the side not performing the exercise recover while you do the other side.)
    Seated Row 3sets/15-20 reps, 30-60 secs rest

    Barbell rows 3sets/15-20 reps, 30-60 secs rest
    (This is the one exercise where I tell people to wear a belt. Also make sure you know how to perform these correctly because incorrect form with result in injury.)

    The next two exercises are performed as supersets. You will do a set of squats immediately followed by a set of dumb-bell curls. Then rest 30 seconds and repeat.

    Squats 3sets/ 20-25 reps Dumb-bell curls 3sets/ 15-20 reps
    (If you don't know how to correctly perform a squat PLEASE, PLEASE find someone qualified to teach you the correct technique. Squats are probably the best single exercise you can perform but you must perform them correctly. A couple key points: Don't go below parallel, keep your heels flat on the ground, look straight ahead or slightly up, because you are using lighter weight you don't need a belt.)

    If you don't know how to perform squats and find it difficult to perform correctly then the leg press is the next best exercise. Just substitute leg presses for the squats.

    Lunges 2sets/Minimum 25 reps per leg
    (I like to perform these down a hallway without weights. I simply "lunge all the way down the hallway and back until I feel like my legs are going to explode. I rest 60 seconds between sets.

    Calf Raises 3sets/20-30reps, 30 secs rest

    Core Workout

    Tuesday/Friday: Chest, shoulders, triceps

    Incline Bench Press 2sets/12-15 reps, 30-60 seconds rest

    Flat Bench Press 3sets/15 reps, , 30-60 seconds rest
    (I reccommend alternating which exercise you start the workout with so one workout start out with Flat bench then next workout start with incline bench. Another great technique is to do supersets with the incline and flat bench. Select a weight for the both bench exercises, incline or flat, that you can perform 10-12 times. Whichever exercise you do second remember to drop the weight about 20% because you will be fatigued from the beginning set. Immediately following the set move to the second bench exercise without rest and perform it. This would be one superset and if you chose to do these perform 3 supersets.

    Superset
    Overhead Military Press 2sets/15-20 reps
    Shrugs 2sets/15-20 reps, 30-60 secs rest
    (Always perform the military press to the front! Never lower the bar behind your head as it creates excessive stress in your shoulder joint.)

    Lateral raises 2sets/ 15-20 reps

    Triceps (Pick two exercises) rest 30-60 secs
    Pressdowns Straight bar 2sets/ 15-20 reps
    Pressdowns V-bar 2sets/ 15-20 reps
    Pressdowns Rope 2sets/ 15-20 reps
    Overhead extensions 2sets/ 15-20 reps
    Kickbacks 2sets/ 15-20 reps
    Dips 2sets/ 15-20 reps

    Core Workout

    I hope this helps you and gets you started on a good program. I couple things you can do is as you try the workout you can substitute different exercises. You can also try a couple different techniques to keep the workouts interesting. One great technique is doing drop sets. To do these you need a partner because the muscle failure will suprise you. To perform a drop set select a weight you can only do 5 or 6 times. After you perform the 5 or 6 reps you immediately strip about 25%-30% of the weight and continue until muscle failure. This should only take another 5-8 reps. Then strip another 25%-30% and continue to muscle failure. The other reason you need a partner for these is you should remain on the equipment and your partner strips the weight so you can continue as quickly as possible.

    Finally if you want to try a couple different variations just use the exercises above but here is a list of days and bodyparts which you can try.

    Monday/Thursday: Chest, Shoulders, Biceps
    (Perform your bicep curls as supersets following your chest exercises)

    Tuesday/Friday: Back, Triceps, Legs
    (On these days try superseting your back and triceps or if you feel froggy try supersetting your back and leg exercises. Supersetting your back and legs is a great workout but it will smoke you.)

  15. I forgot one thing, keep a food journal. Write down everything you eat and drink and learn what is a correct serving/portion size. Most people are suprised when they learn what makes up an actual serving of a given food. Also don't guess, just buy a food scale and use it. Once you have used it for a couple weeks you won't really need it because you will have learned what makes up a serving.

  16. Add in some spin classes if your gym supports those classes. It's definetely not the same as riding outside, but it's a lot better than not riding at all.

  17. bighead_9901 said:

    I forgot one thing, keep a food journal. Write down everything you eat and drink and learn what is a correct serving/portion size. Most people are suprised when they learn what makes up an actual serving of a given food. Also don't guess, just buy a food scale and use it. Once you have used it for a couple weeks you won't really need it because you will have learned what makes up a serving.

    Hey bighead_9901. Thank you for the info and to all the others that gave inputs. I will keep you guys posted on my progress!!!๐Ÿ˜„

  18. Good workout plan Bighead,

    The high rep sets seem sensible, as they would tend to suit someone who is conditioning towards a cardio goal, in this case cycling.

    Good to see that you are not recommending against ATF squats, even though I do them myself, I'd never recommend them to someone I didn't know well, as they are not good if you have bad knees.

    If you don't mind, I'll add to the protein comments. When you exercise you damage the muscles. This is normal. With weight lifiting you damage more muscles than when cycling. The body repair the muscles, over the next say 48 hours and uses protien to repair them. I'd suggest that if possible, you spread your protein intake over 6 portions for the day, so there is a constant supply of protein to repair those muscles. Opinion varies, but many go on a formula of 2.2 grams of protein per kilo of lean body weight per day (subtract your fat), divided into 6 portions. You can source the protein from foods, such as chicken brest, cottage cheese and/or protein powders.

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