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Gut problems / oxidation

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  1. I suppose since they are now telling us to eat our 'green leafies' ..
    WITH .. our .. meat .. BECAUSE of the oxidation which is presented TO
    ... us .. BY .. the meat ..

    The antioxidants in the plant food would / should offset the oxidation
    by the meat ..

    http://tinyurl.com/2uh4m

    Then this article below which states IBS is CAUSED .. by .. oxidation
    ... would give one an .. idea .. meat .. may .. be .. a .. bad .. thing
    ...

    Logic ..?

    Eh ..

    <<snip>>
    It is concluded that peritoneal sclerosis derives mostly from sustained
    oxidative injury to the peritoneal membrane.
    <<snip>>

    Int J Artif Organs. 2005 Feb;28(2):97-104. Related Articles, Links

    A short review of experimental peritoneal sclerosis: From mice to men.

    Gotloib L, Wajsbrot V, Shostak A.

    Department of Nephrology, Hypertension and the Research Center for
    Experimental Nephrology, 'Ha'Emek' Medical Center, Afula - Israel.

    Peritoneal sclerosis has been induced in rodents in vivo by exposing
    the membrane to a variety of experimental interventions: asbestos, 0.1%
    chlorexidine, iron dextran, glucose degradation products, AGE deposits
    derived from uremia per se, sodium hypochlorite, lypopolysaccharide,
    low pH, pure water, silica or zymosan. With a few exceptions (pure
    water, chlorhexidine and low pH), the other substances mentioned
    operate setting out different degrees of oxidative stress. This short
    review describes several experimental interventions in rodents, aimed
    at acute exfoliation or long-term, sustained injury of the mesothelial
    monolayer performed by means of intraperitoneal injections of different
    oxidant agents. Acute exfoliation induced by deoxycholate resulted in a
    depopulated monolayer coincident with immediate alteration of the
    peritoneal permeability, evidenced by increased urea D/P ratio, higher
    glucose absorption rate, elevated albumin losses in the effluent and
    significant reduction of the ultrafiltration rate. In the long term (30
    days), these manifestations of membrane failure persisted and coincided
    with substantial peritoneal sclerosis. Peritoneal sclerosis was also
    induced by IP injections of 0.125% trypsin and 6.6 mM/L solution of
    formaldehyde. Using the doughnut rat model of mesothelial regeneration,
    exposure to 4.25% glucose or 7.5% icodextrin solutions severely
    hampered repopulation of the monolayer, which was replaced by a thick
    sheet of fibrous tissue. It is concluded that peritoneal sclerosis
    derives mostly from sustained oxidative injury to the peritoneal
    membrane. Loss of the mesothelial monolayer is the first step in the
    chain of events leading to this complication.

    PMID: 15770597 [PubMed - in process]

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  2. Perit Dial Int. 1989;9(3):203-5. Related Articles, Links

    Comment in:
    Perit Dial Int. 1989;9(3):151-3.

    Oral lecithin improves ultrafiltration in patients on peritoneal
    dialysis.

    Chan H, Abraham G, Oreopoulos DG.

    Division of Nephrology, Toronto Western Hospital, Ontario, Canada.

    Three patients on peritoneal dialysis (two on continuous ambulatory and
    one on intermittent) with severe ultrafiltration failure were treated
    with 2 capsules of Lecithin three times a day (containing of 1.08 g of
    phosphatidylcholine). Their ultrafiltration improved significantly to
    the point that their edema improved and were able to continue on
    peritoneal dialysis with fewer daily hypertonic exchange.

    Publication Types:
    Case Reports

    PMID: 2488366 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

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  3. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    You are straying. You got it all wrong. Here is the way it goes. Oxidation
    can only happen with the presence of oxygen and the only way oxygen gets
    carried away is by iron. It is the iron in heme that does that. Therefore it
    is iron that is the evil demon.
    Iron, iron ,iron is involved with everything.
    Keep up the good work in warning people about the evils of iron.
    Please post here every single research mentioning iron over and over again.
    People still haven't gotten the message yet or you can just take your
    medicine and get a good nights sleep not looking for iron under your bed.

  4. He's right in that green leafy vegetables are "healthy" because other
    things eaten with them are so unhealthy. Otherwise, leafy greens have
    antinutritional qualities that can be dangerous if you eat them in
    large amounts. Most Americans are eating way too much "red meat,"
    though boiling it would be better than frying, grilling, etc. Let's
    not make fun of him now that he's beginning to see the light!

  5. I see Robert has used his .. intelligence .. again ..

    Heh .. heh ..

    Keep it up ..

    Recorded for posterity ..

    You can tell your grandchildren .. WITH .. data .. exactly HOW stupid
    you have ALWAYS .. been ..

    Heh .. heh

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  6. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://herbivore.7h.com


    1> the "Herbivore" link is broken
    2> humans are frugivorous apes, not herbivores: cow, sheep, horse,
    rabbit, ... http://www.ecologos.org/anatomy.htm

    Laurie

  7. hmmm, food for thought, thanks for the link

    - Jeff

    "Laurie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    http://herbivore.7h.com


    1> the "Herbivore" link is broken
    2> humans are frugivorous apes, not herbivores: cow, sheep, horse,
    rabbit, ... http://www.ecologos.org/anatomy.htm

    Laurie

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