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  1. http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/guides/cycling/story/0,,2022386,00.html

    Couple of things here strike me as just plain wrong.

    1) They advocate removing the tyre completely.
    (points 4 and 8)
    This just seems to be extra work for no benefit.

    2) They advocate using tyre levers
    to put the tyre back on. (points 9,10).

    They do mention being "careful not to pinch the tube",
    but especially at the last stage, IME
    it's really easy to to just that, defeating
    the entire point of the exercise( mending a puncture)

    This (to me) seems much better:

  2. In article <[email hidden]>,
    bugbear
    bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim says...

    Quoted message said:

    http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/guides/cycling/story/0,,2022386,00.html

    Couple of things here strike me as just plain wrong.

    1) They advocate removing the tyre completely.
    (points 4 and 8)
    This just seems to be extra work for no benefit.

    Makes it much easier to check inside the tyre for sharp objects or
    carcass damage, and involves minimal effort.

    Quoted message said:


    2) They advocate using tyre levers
    to put the tyre back on. (points 9,10).

    They do mention being "careful not to pinch the tube",
    but especially at the last stage, IME
    it's really easy to to just that, defeating
    the entire point of the exercise( mending a puncture)

    I wouldn't say it's really easy, but it's a distinct possibility.

    Quoted message said:


    This (to me) seems much better:


    What does?

  3. bugbear said:

    They do mention being "careful not to pinch the tube",
    but especially at the last stage, IME
    it's really easy to to just that, defeating
    the entire point of the exercise( mending a puncture)

    This (to me) seems much better:

    (bugger, hit send by accident!...)

    I meant this:
    http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part2/section-38.html

    Which is what I was taught in my local bike shop.

    I have NEVER had a tyre I can't put on by
    hand, and I've done a wide range.

    BugBear

  4. bugbear said:

    I have NEVER had a tyre I can't put on by
    hand, and I've done a wide range.

    Either you have never tried to put a 16" Schwalbe Marathon on a standard
    Brompton rim, or you are two separate gorillas...

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  5. In news:[email hidden],
    Peter Clinch <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell
    us:

    Quoted message said:
    bugbear said:

    I have NEVER had a tyre I can't put on by
    hand, and I've done a wide range.

    Either you have never tried to put a 16" Schwalbe Marathon on a
    standard Brompton rim, or you are two separate gorillas...

    Hurrah! I am become two separate gorillas! On Saturday I managed to refit
    a 406 Marathon Racer without recourse to the VAR tyre lever for the first
    time in the history of all things ever.

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Barley, barley, barley, world cruise. You never see a farmer on
    a bike.

  6. bugbear said:

    Couple of things here strike me as just plain wrong.

    1) They advocate removing the tyre completely.
    (points 4 and 8)
    This just seems to be extra work for no benefit.

    Well if you're going to replace the tube rather than fix the puncture
    by the road removing it (the tube) is not optional.
    But I agree, if the puncture is easy to find then it is often easier
    to leave the wheel on the bike and most of the tyre on the wheel, just
    pop out the section you need to fix.

  7. Peter Clinch said:
    bugbear said:

    I have NEVER had a tyre I can't put on by
    hand, and I've done a wide range.

    Either you have never tried to put a 16" Schwalbe Marathon on a
    standard Brompton rim,

    or a 700C Marathon Plus on an MA2 rim*

    Quoted message said:

    or you are two separate gorillas...

    * I had to use *two* levers.

    ~PB

  8. bugbear said:

    http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/guides/cycling/story/0,,2022386,00.html

    Couple of things here strike me as just plain wrong.

    1) They advocate removing the tyre completely.
    (points 4 and 8)
    This just seems to be extra work for no benefit.

    You can check the tyre, rim and tube better like that, and it's easier to
    work on the tube (if not replacing it). It's hardly any extra work if the
    wheel is already removed. The wheel can be left on though if it's obvious
    where the puncture is and it's convenient for you patch it there and then.

    Quoted message said:

    2) They advocate using tyre levers
    to put the tyre back on. (points 9,10).

    Not ideal but sometimes necessary, IME, with certain tyre and rim
    combinations.

    ~PB

  9. in message <[email hidden]>, bugbear

    ('bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim') said:


    http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/guides/cycling/story/0,,2022386,00.html

    Quoted message said:


    Couple of things here strike me as just plain wrong.

    1) They advocate removing the tyre completely.
    (points 4 and 8)

    So do I. You save nothing by footling about, and it's much easier to check
    the tyre for thorns, etc, when it's off the wheel.

    Quoted message said:

    2) They advocate using tyre levers
    to put the tyre back on. (points 9,10).

    So do I. You can often put them on by hand, but it's a lot easier with
    levers.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

  10. Quoting Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:
    bugbear said:

    I have NEVER had a tyre I can't put on by
    hand, and I've done a wide range.


    Either you have never tried to put a 16" Schwalbe Marathon on a standard
    Brompton rim, or you are two separate gorillas...

    I can do that. I used to be a bellringer, which means I have extremely
    powerful thumbs.

    A 700x23C GP3000 has defeated me, though.
    --
    David Damerell <[email hidden]> Distortion Field!
    Today is Epithumia, March - a weekend.

  11. On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 10:32:27 +0000, bugbear

    bugbear@trim_papermule.co.uk_trim said:

    http://lifeandhealth.guardian.co.uk/guides/cycling/story/0,,2022386,00.html

    Couple of things here strike me as just plain wrong.

    1) They advocate removing the tyre completely.
    (points 4 and 8)
    This just seems to be extra work for no benefit.

    When teaching children to fix punctures I always use the rear wheel,
    remove it completely, and strip off the tyre and tube. If they can do
    that, they can fix a simple puncture on a front wheel when the
    location is known (or suspected), and the wheel doesn't need removing,
    and the tyre and tube can remain largely in place.

    However, if I was going to be truly realistic, then I'd turn a high
    pressure hose on them and simulate cars splashing through puddles at
    60mph. Instead I use it as a rainy day activity and run the lesson in
    a warm snug classroom.

  12. Tom Crispin said:

    However, if I was going to be truly realistic, then I'd turn a high
    pressure hose on them and simulate cars splashing through puddles at
    60mph.

    I think my most uncomfortable ever puncture repair was just after sunset
    at well below freezing, on a bridleway that had no cars or puddles nor any
    other passing person who might have held the bike's light so I could see
    what I was doing.

    OTOH doing a repair while on holiday in Ireland, cycling back to the
    farmhouse B&B full of Murphy's Stout (County Cork y'see), the rain was
    quite warm, and I hardly noticed it. Could have been that the stout had
    dulled my senses though....

    .... and could have accounted for leaving the tyre levers in the grass
    and having to buy another set the next day :-(

    Mike

  13. Mike Causer said:

    I think my most uncomfortable ever puncture repair was just after sunset
    at well below freezing, on a bridleway that had no cars or puddles nor any
    other passing person who might have held the bike's light so I could see
    what I was doing.

    That's the main reason I got a CO2 cartridge pump for commuting.

    Quoted message said:

    .... and could have accounted for leaving the tyre levers in the grass
    and having to buy another set the next day :-(

    I mended a puncture a few weeks ago left a tyre lever behind. The next
    day I arrived at work and it was still lying where I left it.

    Martin.

  14. Peter Clinch said:
    bugbear said:

    I have NEVER had a tyre I can't put on by
    hand, and I've done a wide range.

    Either you have never tried to put a 16" Schwalbe Marathon on a standard
    Brompton rim, or you are two separate gorillas...

    Pete.

    Two separate gorillas here.

    With much trepidation after comments hereabouts, I approached my
    Brompton front wheel. Absolutely no more difficult than Marathons on my
    700c rims on the Galaxy.

    Now, where's my other half?

  15. in message <[email hidden]>, Mike Causer

    (') said:
    Tom Crispin said:

    However, if I was going to be truly realistic, then I'd turn a high
    pressure hose on them and simulate cars splashing through puddles at
    60mph.

    I think my most uncomfortable ever puncture repair was just after sunset
    at well below freezing, on a bridleway that had no cars or puddles nor
    any other passing person who might have held the bike's light so I could
    see what I was doing.

    Three inches of wet snow on the ground, more falling, no shelter, strong
    wind, getting dark. It's more than twenty years ago but I can still
    remember just how miserable an experience it was.

    --
    [email hidden] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/

    ;; An enamorata is for life, not just for weekends.

  16. Simon Brooke said:

    in message <[email hidden]>, Mike Causer

    (') said:
    Tom Crispin said:

    However, if I was going to be truly realistic, then I'd turn a high
    pressure hose on them and simulate cars splashing through puddles at
    60mph.

    I think my most uncomfortable ever puncture repair was just after sunset
    at well below freezing, on a bridleway that had no cars or puddles nor
    any other passing person who might have held the bike's light so I could
    see what I was doing.

    Three inches of wet snow on the ground, more falling, no shelter, strong
    wind, getting dark. It's more than twenty years ago but I can still
    remember just how miserable an experience it was.

    Yeah, but you look back on the experience with affection. A bit like
    the time I reached the summit of Col D'Aspin in the middle of a fierce
    Pyrenean storm. It was damn miserable at the time, but I enjoy
    recalling the experience from the comfort of my own home.

  17. Al C-F said:

    Two separate gorillas here.

    With much trepidation after comments hereabouts, I approached my
    Brompton front wheel. Absolutely no more difficult than Marathons on my
    700c rims on the Galaxy.

    Maybe they've changed the rims between our models? Dunno, maybe I'm
    just more feeble than I thought. But if you have the correspondence
    address for Mr. Apollo's Body Building Plan, please send it on... ;-)

    Pete.
    --
    Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
    Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
    Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
    net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

  18. Peter Clinch said:

    But if you have the correspondence address for Mr. Apollo's
    Body Building Plan, please send it on... ;-)

    No exercises! No unpleasant bending!

    --
    Dave...

  19. In news:[email hidden],
    dkahn400 <[email hidden]> tweaked the Babbage-Engine to tell us:

    Quoted message said:
    Peter Clinch said:

    But if you have the correspondence address for Mr. Apollo's
    Body Building Plan, please send it on... ;-)

    No exercises! No unpleasant bending!

    Wrestle poodles and win! Play beach ball! Shave your legs! (Er, hang on -
    Ed.)

    --
    Dave Larrington
    <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk>
    Among the calamities of war may be jointly numbered the
    diminution of the love of truth, by the falsehoods which
    interest dictates and credulity encourages.

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