Guardian letter yesterday

Mark McNeill said:

If you go to
http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1755958,00.html

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and scroll down a bit,

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Just thought I'd bring it to the attention of the Court.

Superb - short, concise, clear, and to the point.

Very well done.

Mark McNeill said:

If you go to
http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1755958,00.html

Quoted message said:

and scroll down a bit,

Quoted message said:

Just thought I'd bring it to the attention of the Court.

Superb - short, concise, clear, and to the point.

Very well done.

Mark McNeill said:

If you go to
http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1755958,00.html

Quoted message said:

and scroll down a bit,

Quoted message said:

Just thought I'd bring it to the attention of the Court.

Superb - short, concise, clear, and to the point.

Very well done.

Pyromancer said:

[three cheers for the reference posted]

How about putting them all in one post next time?

--
not me guv

Mark McNeill said:

If you go to
http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1755958,00.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/om6yd

and scroll down a bit,

or alternatively get yesterday's Guardian "Society" bit out of
the recycling bin and turn to page 4, you'll find a concise
and telling letter, partially about h*lm*ts, by somebody
called Tony Raven.

Just thought I'd bring it to the attention of the Court.

It made me think that I should stop wearing bright yellow. As it is
associated with safety equipment it makes cycling look dangerous.
--
Cheers
the.Mark

Mark McNeill said:

If you go to
http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1755958,00.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/om6yd

and scroll down a bit,

or alternatively get yesterday's Guardian "Society" bit out of the
recycling bin and turn to page 4, you'll find a concise and telling
letter, partially about h*lm*ts, by somebody called Tony Raven.

Just thought I'd bring it to the attention of the Court.

Nice one Tony, and thanks for posting it Mark!

the.Mark said:

It made me think that I should stop wearing bright yellow. As it is
associated with safety equipment it makes cycling look dangerous.

I decreasingly wear dayglo, not because of the safety association but
because I'm increasingly reverting to the system Tony identifies in his
letter: just cycling in whatever, rather than "special" things. For the
short trips that characterise the bulk of my journeys by number it
doesn't seem to make any difference.

The raincoat's still YELLOW!, and I'm happy about that for when it's
really bogging and visibility isn't what it might be.

Pete.
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Quoted message said:

If you go to
http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1755958,00.html
or
http://tinyurl.com/om6yd

and scroll down a bit,

Is cycling really safer than walking, is that just an artefact caused by
nearly all cyclists being sober and many walkers being drunk?

John Rowland ([email hidden]) wrote:

: "Mark McNeill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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: >
: > If you go to
: > http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1755958,00.html
: > or
: > http://tinyurl.com/om6yd
: >
: > and scroll down a bit,

: Is cycling really safer than walking, is that just an artefact caused by
: nearly all cyclists being sober and many walkers being drunk?

Interesting point, don't know if there are numbers (I'm not even sure
that the proportions of drunks are really different)? But even so, many
non-cyclists (and some cyclists) probably think that cycling while
sober is more dangerous than walking while drunk. Have never seen
anyone walking home from the pub with high-viz clothing and a h*lm*t.

And yes, excellent letter.

m.

John Rowland said:

Is cycling really safer than walking, is that just an artefact caused by
nearly all cyclists being sober and many walkers being drunk?

Must be lots of drunk children around if that was the explanation as
they feature heavily in both sets of data.

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

Response to Marianne Promberger:

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But even so, many
non-cyclists (and some cyclists) probably think that cycling while
sober is more dangerous than walking while drunk.

A good thing there are realistic simulations of both online, to allow a
comparison:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/homerun.html
http://www.gizdic.com/freegames/gamespages/elemigrante.htm

[Note: the government does not at present officially condone the
deliberate running over of illegal immigrants, at least as far as I
know.]

--
Mark, UK
"How many things which served us yesterday as articles of faith, are
fables for us today."

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Must be lots of drunk children around if that was the explanation as they
feature heavily in both sets of data.

[Daily Mail]

The unruly blighters need sorting out with ASBOs. Only qualification some of
'em are ever likely to get. And birch 'em for good measure.

[/Daily Mail]

Cheers, helen s ;-)

On Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:18:55 +0100 someone who may be Mark McNeill
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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[Note: the government does not at present officially condone the
deliberate running over of illegal immigrants, at least as far as I
know.]

I think that they, like the "legal", "system", would be happy,
provided that the person doing the running over was operating a car.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

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Is cycling really safer than walking, is that just an artefact caused by
nearly all cyclists being sober and many walkers being drunk?

Of course it isn't. The reason it looks that way in the stats is because
cyclists wear helmets ;o)

John said:

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Quoted message said:

Is cycling really safer than walking, is that just an artefact caused by
nearly all cyclists being sober and many walkers being drunk?

Of course it isn't. The reason it looks that way in the stats is because
cyclists wear helmets ;o)

And I bid ....

3 spades.

...d

David Martin said:

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Of course it isn't. The reason it looks that way in the stats is because
cyclists wear helmets ;o)

And I bid ....

3 spades.

He's in a big enough hole already, he doesn't need more spades [;-)

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

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If you go to

http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1755958,00.html

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

or
http://tinyurl.com/om6yd

and scroll down a bit,

Is cycling really safer than walking, is that just an artefact

caused by

Quoted message said:

nearly all cyclists being sober and many walkers being drunk?

"John Rowland" <[email hidden]> wrote

[snip]

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Is cycling really safer than walking, is that just an artefact

caused by

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nearly all cyclists being sober and many walkers being drunk?

It certainly is per mile. Of course, maybe some other kind of
comparison would be better, per hour, or per trip. it would be silly
to compare cycling by the mile with, say, bungee jumping, or swimming
or mountain climbing.

So, by the hour, swimming is about seven times as dangerous as
cycling, mountain climbing is about 150 times as dangerous.

Britain, I gather, is, alas, one of the few countries where cycling,
per hour, is more dangerous than driving a car.

Jeremy Parker

Jeremy Parker said:

"John Rowland" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

Is cycling really safer than walking, is that just an artefact
caused by nearly all cyclists being sober and many walkers being
drunk?

It certainly is per mile. Of course, maybe some other kind of
comparison would be better, per hour, or per trip. it would be silly
to compare cycling by the mile with, say, bungee jumping, or swimming
or mountain climbing.

Britain, I gather, is, alas, one of the few countries where cycling,
per hour, is more dangerous than driving a car.

That said, cycling in Britain is, per hour, much safer than being in a car
in many many countries. I've known of as many people killed by car crashes
abroad as I have here, and most of the people I know are in this country
most of the time.
--
Ambrose