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  1. For them as wants the site:
    tinyurl.com2583f

    For them as wants the words [we don' need no stinkin'
    copyright]:

    Diary=20

    Marina Hyde Friday April 2, 2004 The Guardian=20

    =B7 We're thrilled to make the acquaintance of Carlisle MP,
    Eric=20 Martlew, currently proposing a private member's bill
    to make cycle=20 helmets mandatory. Concerned at its
    implications, the Association of=20 Cycle Traders suggested
    its members send a standard letter to Eric to=20 register
    this. A handful, mostly from Eric's constituency, agreed.
    Did=20 he, we ask him, then take the measured step of
    calling one of them and=20 threatening to expose him in the
    local media as a gentleman more=20 interested in selling
    bikes than saving lives? "That," says Eric, "is=20 utterly
    untrue. I would never call up and threaten to make a=20
    constituent's letter public. But I was very upset. They
    contained=20 inaccuracies." Such as? "Implying my bill could
    make criminals out of=20 youngsters." Golly. "So what I said
    to this guy -" You've remembered a=20 call now? "I never
    said I didn't call anyone. He is not from my=20
    constituency, he's a good mile away -" Ah. "And I thought
    there should=20 be a public debate. I was angry. But I later
    said he needn't retract=20
    it." Ever so slightly alarmed at his impending ruin, the
    chap did=20 anyway. "Look, if a trade association gets
    members to send me a letter=20 and I don't know which one
    it is, am I not right to be angry and try=20 to find
    out?" You certainly flushed them out. "Yeah, I did."
    Most=20 heroic. One to watch, this Martlew.=20

    --=20 Mark, UK. Well, whiles I am a beggar, I will rail, And
    say there is no sin but to be rich; And, being rich, my
    virtue then shall be, To say there is no vice, but beggary.

  2. Mark McN said:

    For them as wants the site: tinyurl.com2583f

    My reply sent this AM:

    How foolish to suggest that Eric Martlew's bill will
    criminalise children. Of course it won't.

    It'll criminalise their parents. Or teachers. Or friends who
    happen to be over 16. Or the employees of the local bike
    shop. Or you, if you happen to lend your bike to someone
    under 16 who then decides to ride it without a helmet. Why
    do you think cycle traders, who after all sell helmets, are
    against this stupid bill? Not only will it decimate cycling,
    as it has in every other country where it's been tried, it
    will raise the very real prospect of criminal convictions
    for shop staff.

    It is, in short, a very draconian bill. A very large sledge
    hammer to crack a very small nut. Which ignores a huge pile
    of much larger nuts which are much easier to crack. And
    ignores the existence of several perfectly good nutcrackers,
    such as cycle training and CTC's Benchmarking project.

    It seeks to solve a problem whose extent is greatly
    exaggerated. Around a dozen children a year die of head
    injuries due to cycling, around 2,000 are admitted to
    hospital in England with head injuries resulting from
    cycling. That puts it behind walking, climbing stairs,
    banging your head on something, being a pedestrian and even
    assault as a cause of child head injury hospitalisations.
    There are around six million child cyclists in the UK;
    cycling is a low-risk activity which is good for the heart
    and combats obesity. Which is why the BMA and the Royal
    College of General Practitioners are opposed to the bill.
    As are the Association of cycle Traders, British Cycling,
    CTC (the national cyclists' organisation), the National
    Cycling Strategy Board, the English Regions Cycling
    Development Team and just about everybody else in the UK
    who is involved in cycling.

    But hey, think of the children. It worked in the case of one
    child whose mother was persuaded to go to London to campaign
    for the bill. She has been informed that a helmet would have
    saved her son's life. Well, it's possible, although unlikely
    - helmets are not designed to protect in crashes involving
    motor vehicles and can't prevent brain injuries caused by
    rotational forces, which are the cause of most serious
    permanent brain injury. What is certain is that her son's
    death would have been markedly less likely if he hadn't been
    riding on the pavement. On a bike with defective brakes.
    Which is what the coroner's report said, but they keep very
    quiet about that.

    And that is the problem with the whole helmet compulsion
    campaign: it completely ignores the fact that almost all
    fatal cyclist injuries are the result of road traffic
    crashes. The idea that a plastic hat is a substitute for
    safe cycling is both absurd and dangerous, yet that seems to
    be precisely what is being suggested. It ignores the known
    facts that helmets are only designed to protect in simple
    falls, and that half or more of cyclists who die of head
    injuries have other mortal injuries as well.

    Road traffic crashes account for one in ten child
    hospitalisations, but half of child injury deaths. Most of
    these are child pedestrians (who suffer, incidentally, a
    higher proportion of head injuries overall than child
    cyclists); these outnumber cyclist fatalities five times.
    Indeed, the entire annual death toll of children in cycling
    crashes is less than two days' worth of road traffic
    fatalities.

    If MPs want to make a real difference to the numbers of
    children injured they need to start with the source of
    the danger.

  3. "Mark McN" <[email hidden]> wrote in
    message "]news:[email hidden]...

    register this. A handful, mostly from Eric's constituency,
    agreed. Did he, we ask him, then take the measured step of
    calling one of them and threatening to expose him in the
    local media as a gentleman more interested in selling bikes
    than saving lives?

    ME:Interesting. Not as if the most famous face pushing
    for helmets is hawking a rather strange helmet around
    the world.

    I wonder whether the "facesaver" was designed as a
    safety device, or a gimmick that looks a bit like a
    formula 1 helmet.

  4. On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:46:30 +0100, "Just zis Guy, you know?"
    <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Yet another outstanding effort, Guy. You're one of the few
    people on the newsgroups who make me wish I knew 'em in the
    real world so I could buy 'em a pint or four.

    I take my (imaginary & rather ineffectual) plastic hat
    off to you!

    Keep up the good work,

    Vic.

  5. Vic said:

    Yet another outstanding effort, Guy. You're one of the few
    people on the newsgroups who make me wish I knew 'em in
    the real world so I could buy 'em a pint or four.

    <blush>

    I think there might be another urcmoot at York this year;
    certainly the Chapman Family Tent is being prepared for that
    eventuality.

    --
    Guy
    ===
    May contain traces of irony. Contents liable to settle after
    posting. chapmancentral.co.ukchapmancentral.co.uk

    88% of helmet statistics are made up, 65% of them at
    Washington University

  6. I'd be very tempted (and if anyone with greater facility
    with words than me wants to have a go, feel free) to email
    Ms Hyde along the lines of

    Hi -

    If you want to have another go at Martlew, ask him e.g. why
    he wouldn't be better at prioritising staircase helmets
    instead, since they would save more lives? Or, isn't his
    brilliant sense of political timing beautifully illustrated,
    pushing this bill just as everyone's getting concerned at
    childhood obesity? Or, since the British Medical Association
    is against compulsion since more people would die from lack
    of exercise than would be saved by cycle helmets, isn't he
    more interested in pushing a single-issue agenda than saving
    lives? [Add more anti-compulsion arguments to taste] Yours
    ever, MWMcN

    It would need to be better than that, but it might do some
    good: the Grauniad diary does like to make return trips to
    its victims, and I sometimes wonder if the BHIT's shroud-
    waving shouldn't be answered with sheer finger-pointing-and-
    giggling as well as more sober approaches.

    --
    Mark, UK. Well, whiles I am a beggar, I will rail, And say
    there is no sin but to be rich; And, being rich, my virtue
    then shall be, To say there is no vice, but beggary.

  7. "Just zis Guy, you know?" <[email hidden]>typed

    Quoted message said:

    I think there might be another urcmoot at York this year;
    certainly the Chapman Family Tent is being prepared for
    that eventuality.

    I won't be there for the first time in 13 years. Choral
    concert clash :-(

    --
    Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden] Edgware.

  8. Mark McN said:

    I'd be very tempted (and if anyone with greater facility
    with words than me wants to have a go, feel free) to email
    Ms Hyde along the lines of

    Hi -

    If you want to have another go at Martlew, ask him e.g.
    why he wouldn't be better at prioritising staircase
    helmets instead, since they would save more lives? Or,
    isn't his brilliant sense of political timing beautifully
    illustrated, pushing this bill just as everyone's getting
    concerned at childhood obesity? Or, since the British
    Medical Association is against compulsion since more
    people would die from lack of exercise than would be saved
    by cycle helmets, isn't he more interested in pushing a
    single-issue agenda than saving lives? [Add more anti-
    compulsion arguments to taste] Yours ever, MWMcN

    It would need to be better than that, but it might do
    some good:

    Send it like that, its only a hint to the diary writer, they
    will write the article after following up your leads.

    --
    Andy Morris

    AndyAtJinkasDotFreeserve.Co.UK

    Love this:
    Put an end to Outlook Express's messy quotes
    home.in.tum.deoe quotefix

  9. Mark McN said:

    It would need to be better than that, but it might do some
    good: the Grauniad diary does like to make return trips to
    its victims, and I sometimes wonder if the BHIT's shroud-
    waving shouldn't be answered with sheer finger-pointing-and-
    giggling as well as more sober approaches.

    It might also be apposite to ask whether putting a plastic
    hat on a 5 year old is an appropriate substitute for
    supervising them when cycling near working milk tankers..

    ..d

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