Guardian cycling debate continues

Quoted message said:

"It's motorists, not cyclists, who are the most
dangerous lawbreakers." Robert Davis.

Can't find in on-line but it is on page 31 of today's
Guardian. (June 7 2006).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1791700,00.html

BugBear

Quoted message said:

"It's motorists, not cyclists, who are the most
dangerous lawbreakers." Robert Davis.

Yes. It's time to shake-up all our antiquated and ineffective road-user
legislation.

His sentence "I find her argument for imposing restrictive regulations
on cyclists simple and attractive - but wrong." could equally apply to
the argument for removing the 'restrictive regulations' from motorists.

He also says "... we live in a society where everyday rule- and
lawbreaking by motorists has become acceptable." - so why have the
useless rules and laws?

There is a very obvious solution to "... part of the problem we confront
with bad driving derives from motorists feeling that they are special,
simply because they have passed a test." - no tests!

He also says "... punitive regulation for cyclists will not work - after
all, has registration worked to stop motorist misbehaviour?" - exactly,
we don't need it for either.

"We need a civilised approach to road safety which has to be based on
recognising the different potential to harm others of each form of
transport." - I couldn't have put it better myself.

We need to stop the squabbling between road-users - we need to campaign
for equality on the roads - 'shared space' and shared regulations. We
know the laws we currently have, which only apply to motorists don't
work for motorists and won't work for cyclists - get rid of them. Treat
all road-users equally - and allow each equal priority, and respect will
follow. You only have to look at the Hans Monderman schemes in the
Netherlands to see the potential.

--
Matt B

hurray!

Quoted message said:

"It's motorists, not cyclists, who are the most
dangerous lawbreakers." Robert Davis.

Can't find in on-line but it is on page 31 of today's
Guardian. (June 7 2006).

My reply:

Robert Davis (Guardian, July 7) describes himself as a local authority
officer who tries to discourage cycling on pavements. He is also
undoubtedly an officer of a local authority that uses copious quantities
of white paint and blue signs to encourage cycling on pavements. Is it
any wonder that many cyclists end up thoroughly confused as to where
they are expected to cycle?

--
Tony

"Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using
his intelligence; he is just using his memory."
- Leonardo da Vinci

On 7 Jun 2006 07:29:54 -0700, [email hidden] said in
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hurray!

What, hurray that TrollB is back?

Guy
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Just zis Guy said:

What, hurray that TrollB is back?

Ah, looks like the Bozo Bin is still working nicely... ;-)

Pete.
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Response to Peter Clinch:

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Quoted message said:

What, hurray that TrollB is back?

Ah, looks like the Bozo Bin is still working nicely... ;-)

I think he's mellowed!

Somewhere or other I read a quote along the lines of "Attack the
Establishment for long enough, and you'll end up a pillar of it" or some
such, and I'm waiting to see how long the process takes. ;-)

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Mark, UK
"Look behind you, a Three-Headed Monkey!"