Grocery Store Panniers?

Big Dummy said:

Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest bags to
carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

Arkel makes what you are looking for.

http://www.panniers.com

Look for something they call "utility basket" on their site. It is
just one big sack, maybe a little bit bigger than a grocery bag.
Good quality and reasonably priced.

Big Dummy said:

Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest bags to
carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

BD in Fla

Milk crate on top (aka file crate in discount stores) carries
two full paper bags of groceries easily. In addition you can
hang plastic bags tied to the sides for overflow, and if you have
a cable lock, drape the cable across the top and hang more from it.

I recommend a double luggage rack, a regular stay-supported one
and the bare inside beam of a seat-post rack tied to it underneath,
to supply both vertical support and (chiefly) side-to-side support.
Greatly increases the weight you can carry easily. The Bell seat-post
rack stinks by itself but the plastic comes off easily leaving a
perfect beam you can use (remove one hex screw).

Support the milk crate with a light cross-beam of wood under the
back end, so that all the overhang weight back there is spread
across the width of the crate rather than being at the rack contact
point.

Do that, and it lasts a long time, and carries a huge amount.
--
Ron Hardin
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Jim Smith said:

Big Dummy said:

Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest

bags to

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carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

Arkel makes what you are looking for.

http://www.panniers.com

Look for something they call "utility basket" on their site. It is
just one big sack, maybe a little bit bigger than a grocery bag.
Good quality and reasonably priced.

Ron Hardin said:

Big Dummy said:

Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest bags to
carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

BD in Fla

Milk crate on top (aka file crate in discount stores) carries
two full paper bags of groceries easily. In addition you can
hang plastic bags tied to the sides for overflow, and if you have
a cable lock, drape the cable across the top and hang more from it.

I recommend a double luggage rack, a regular stay-supported one
and the bare inside beam of a seat-post rack tied to it underneath,
to supply both vertical support and (chiefly) side-to-side support.
Greatly increases the weight you can carry easily. The Bell seat-post
rack stinks by itself but the plastic comes off easily leaving a
perfect beam you can use (remove one hex screw).

Support the milk crate with a light cross-beam of wood under the
back end, so that all the overhang weight back there is spread
across the width of the crate rather than being at the rack contact
point.

Any photos of this rig somewhere?

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Arkel makes what you are looking for.

http://www.panniers.com

Look for something they call "utility basket" on their site.

This is the direct link:
http://www.panniers.com/panniers/utility/index.asp?site=

Arkel's stuff looks really nice, but I haven't used it.

These, from Jandd are nice, and less expensive:
http://www.jandd.com/detail.asp?PRODUCT_ID=FGBP

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Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest

bags to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

Arkel makes what you are looking for.

http://www.panniers.com

Look for something they call "utility basket" on their site. It is
just one big sack, maybe a little bit bigger than a grocery bag.
Good quality and reasonably priced.

i have a pair of these, maybe 3-yo, & consider them a great value
(quality & price). each hold a std (US) grocery bag but i just bring
them into the store. i use them on lowriders after adjusting the hooks
so they ride level. i wish i had them when i toured on the tandem
because they are voluminous.

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Big Dummy said:

Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest

bags to

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carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

BD in Fla

An large-volume, weatherproof solution:
http://members.rogers.com/bphuntley/BikeBucket2.html

Jeff

On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:07:29 -0500 in rec.bicycles.tech, "Big

Dummy said:

Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest bags to
carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

nashbar has "townie bags" which collapse with velcro when empty,
but expand to full grocery bag size. i use them for schlepping
laundry, library books, etc. now on sale for $16.99 each.

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=66&subcategory=1004&brand=&sku=8641&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

get the yellow/black ones for visibility.

mine have been going strong for several years.

Jeff, thanks for the information, inexpensive DIY hard bags, what a great
idea! First thing I've seen that won't squish the bread. Here is another
view, http://members.rogers.com/bphuntley/BikeBucket.html

Thanks again,
BD

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Big Dummy said:

Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest

bags to

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carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

BD in Fla

An large-volume, weatherproof solution:
http://members.rogers.com/bphuntley/BikeBucket2.html

Jeff

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On Thu, 9 Dec 2004 08:07:29 -0500 in rec.bicycles.tech, "Big

Dummy said:

Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest bags to
carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

nashbar has "townie bags" which collapse with velcro when empty,
but expand to full grocery bag size. i use them for schlepping
laundry, library books, etc. now on sale for $16.99 each.

http://www.nashbar.com/profile.cfm?category=66&subcategory=1004&brand=&sku=8641&storetype=&estoreid=&pagename=

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get the yellow/black ones for visibility.

mine have been going strong for several years.

Yeah, those are actually very nice. I scored one for $9 last year, my wife
commutes with it & loves it. The zip-on rain covers are a nice touch.

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Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest
bags to carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

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An large-volume, weatherproof solution:
http://members.rogers.com/bphuntley/BikeBucket2.html

Those are great! Somebody's been selling them for bike use for awhile:

www.cobbworks.com

Of course if you can find the buckets, you can make them yourself.

Matt O.

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> Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest
> bags to carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

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An large-volume, weatherproof solution:
http://members.rogers.com/bphuntley/BikeBucket2.html

Those are great! Somebody's been selling them for bike use for awhile:

www.cobbworks.com

Of course if you can find the buckets, you can make them yourself.

Matt O.

Exactly, so far it's hard finding oblong hard plastic containers about 13"
deep x 14" long x 6 to 9" wide.

Then slap a 8" deep x 14"Long x 18 to 21" wide plastic trunk on top of
those. Dang, trunk load distributed equally between rack and hard plastic
panniers........Dat'l do it as they say right up to the 60lb rack limit.

BD

oh yeah-brace the store bought rack with 1/2" plywood struts running
upfrom the eyes to rack-the aluminum struts-if that- are flimsy if
you're going with a HD load

oh yeah-brace the store bought rack with 1/2" plywood struts running
upfrom the eyes to rack-the aluminum struts-if that- are flimsy if
you're going with a HD load

Big Dummy said:

Exactly, so far it's hard finding oblong hard plastic containers
about 13" deep x 14" long x 6 to 9" wide.

As Cobbworks says they're standard food/chemical industry packaging. I've seen
plenty of the square ones, but there's a picture of some oblong ones on the
Cobbworks website too. I've never see those.

http://www.cobbworks.com/accessories.html

The containers shouldn't be too hard to find. Check the dumpsters behind
restaurants, etc. for leads. Of course the Cobbworks people have already done
all that for you. If you consider the effort actually required in finding
exactly the right stuff and screwing it all together, it's well worth just
buying it all from Cobbworks. I like how they illustrate this -- it shows great
honesty, and pride in their added value. After all, even the deluxe model at
$75/pair is cheaper than most good pannier sets.

WRT the oblong ones, you're limited by your rack size and chainstay length. But
if you have the bike for it, they'd be pretty neat.

I've played with this type of container for various things -- waterproof
storage/tankage for boats, etc. The problem is that once you go beyond a
certain size, the container has to be very stiff to prevent the lid coming off.
Then you have a lid that has to be pried off with a screwdriver. More
restaurant workers have probably injured themselves trying to open pickle
buckets with a chef's knife than anything else.

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Then slap a 8" deep x 14"Long x 18 to 21" wide plastic trunk on top of
those. Dang, trunk load distributed equally between rack and hard
plastic panniers........Dat'l do it as they say right up to the 60lb
rack limit.

That big, flat surface is definately a plus. A duffle bag could be strapped on
easily too.

Matt O.

further-
seat belts old style wides or go esoteric seek exotics in the auto
ju...errr salvage area may yield over the rack straps bag to bag.
yawl see were pursuing alternative technology here. The local thrift
will yield bags and bags and bags with good strapping-see wyeeast
strapping does not grow on eucalyptus-as the bags were out but
strapping-nevah!! askum to save for you.I have a used bag parts area
filled with bags pockets with zippers, all kinds of bags parts
perfectly good when the bags bottoms wore out or...

the parts get sewn on the duffel!! then the final product looks like...
radar love.

one could fashion (gurgletalk) wait my wrist is weakening...

grip wrist i guess.
ok! a male and female strap with one bag having a short end, the other
over rack with hooks and rod.
strap attachment areas need bag surface reinforcement-i see this
working:
cut a reinforcing fabric rectangle, long side 180 to strap and sew to
bag
sew another of lesser dimensions to strap-might use an awl here then
needle thru
sew lesser to bag reinforcement rectangle
then sew thru reinforcement/strap/reinforcemnt/bag!!

the ply is the bag's backer!! paint the ply, paint the ply's edges
carefully.
cut u's in ply sides for shock cord hooks.
shock cord bag parallel to ground 2x
shockcord bag perpendicular to ground from ply bottom, over rack to
other ply bottom, winding around each horizontal.
then run one the same starting from the first finishing ply bottom
side.

watch for wear spots on the bags. shock cords are bagnivorous and need
a disposable friction or momentum conservation surface between bag and
cord.

what you now need is one of dem $75 (and now you can afford it!) team
jersey so the autoforms can tell your not retarded.

a fanatastic holiday from DIY now basking and cycling in florida
sunshine!!

oh god! i'm getting spooled!!
gurgle gurgle

further-
seat belts old style wides or go esoteric seek exotics in the auto
ju...errr salvage area may yield over the rack straps bag to bag.
yawl see were pursuing alternative technology here. The local thrift
will yield bags and bags and bags with good strapping-see wyeeast
strapping does not grow on eucalyptus-as the bags were out but
strapping-nevah!! askum to save for you.I have a used bag parts area
filled with bags pockets with zippers, all kinds of bags parts
perfectly good when the bags bottoms wore out or...

the parts get sewn on the duffel!! then the final product looks like...
radar love.

one could fashion (gurgletalk) wait my wrist is weakening...

grip wrist i guess.
ok! a male and female strap with one bag having a short end, the other
over rack with hooks and rod.
strap attachment areas need bag surface reinforcement-i see this
working:
cut a reinforcing fabric rectangle, long side 180 to strap and sew to
bag
sew another of lesser dimensions to strap-might use an awl here then
needle thru
sew lesser to bag reinforcement rectangle
then sew thru reinforcement/strap/reinforcemnt/bag!!

the ply is the bag's backer!! paint the ply, paint the ply's edges
carefully.
cut u's in ply sides for shock cord hooks.
shock cord bag parallel to ground 2x
shockcord bag perpendicular to ground from ply bottom, over rack to
other ply bottom, winding around each horizontal.
then run one the same starting from the first finishing ply bottom
side.

watch for wear spots on the bags. shock cords are bagnivorous and need
a disposable friction or momentum conservation surface between bag and
cord.

what you now need is one of dem $75 (and now you can afford it!) team
jersey so the autoforms can tell your not retarded.

a fanatastic holiday from DIY now basking and cycling in florida
sunshine!!

and there the strut option favoured in micrownesia!
in stead of rapping the shock cords over the rack or the top bag
crushing the eggs
mount hehehehe struts atop the rack perpendicular-that's at 90
degress-to the rack.
get the outboard length where bag straps from the bag's bootom and
sides run up to the struts and afix there.
this move leaves extra room on top aside the top bag for fresh sizable
road kill, aluminum cans, the AR-15, rotissire...whathaveyou?

Avoid the ones made by Trek. Although they have some nice features,
their attacment for the bottom is a steel ring that slides along a
cloth-covered rubber band. Once the cloth starts to fray, it's toast.

Big Dummy said:

Soon to have Old Man Mountain rear rack and looking for largest bags to
carry stuff. Hard to find. Any recommendations?

BD in Fla