Greg LeMond Interview

helmutRoole2 said:

But yes, Winning Magazine... brilliant rag. Graham Watson and one other photographer -- can't recall his name but I think he was Italian -- set that magazine apart. It really was the standard by which all others would be measured for some time to come.

Agreed Mr. Watson got famous off the back of his shots for Winning magazine.. he was really the first to not only take shots of the riders but get all of the scenery of the mountains, back roads and fans.... I remember reading he's one hate was sunglasses... as soon as the riders started wearing glasses he could no longer get shots of the riders eyes... the eyes always told the true pain the rider was going through..... he took a fantastic shot of Sean Kelly in the showers at Paris-Roubaix... Kelly semi-naked covered head to toe in mud with only the whites of his eyes visible... great shot which encapsulated the race without a bike in sight.... Winning magazine also had a wonderful column written by Allan Pieper on the final page which was stories inside the peleton... where Alan cut his teeth to become a writer and now with T-Mobile as an DS..... brilliant stuff... as an addendum to all this its a pity Watson had to get onto the Armstrong payroll and sell himself out..... certain riders now refuse to have their photo's taken by him because of this...

helmutRoole2 said:

Fondriest... is he the Fiere of his time or is it the other way around? That guy was always in it come world championship time. The year he won when Bauer put Crique in the gutter... I would have rather seen the sprint. I guess Bauer wasn't very popular back at his home camp in Belgium. in fact, Jennie Gollay told me that people used to throw rocks through his windows and routinely make death threats. I used to like Crique until he sued Bauer over the incident. Man, what a tool.

..oh yes the photo of Fondriest has the blur of slow a riding Bauer looking at the destruction behind him...

TiMan said:

Maybe...but I think the interview is an honest one. I especially sat up and took note when Greg started talking about how the guilt from years of lieing will start to eat away at you after 10-15 or 20 years. Well, I have experienced this first hand and I never went on and on and on that I was clean as guys like Armstrong do. At least Indurain would simply say "no comment" when asked about drug use. But to tell the public over and over and over again that you are clean and then to shoot down guys as crazy or as cycling back stabbers that do come out and admit that they used drugs is sickening to me.
Anyone that knows about power outputs knows that you simply cannot go from high 300's to high 400's in hour long efforts without blood boosting. Guys like Lemond and Hinualt were genetic freaks and they trained really smart. They were putting out upper 300's in long climbs and then BOOM...along comes Indurain, Armstrong, Ullich, Basso etc etc and others with 100 more watts.

It is time this sport cleaned up....that will level the playing field and keep men as men.

In the end the truth will come out.

I like what you write. Do you really think the truth will come out ? I think with Armstrong not. The threat of being sued or losing your job in the cycling world is to much of a deterrent for anyone to speak up. That and if Tyler Hamilton decided to come clean and bring Armstrong down with him he'd be written off as a man gone crazed. To be honest there is no hope.

Can you tell us more stories from the drug world ? Such if you were as high-profile as Armstrong / Ullrich how would you have any chance of getting the drugs into team hotels etc. and then transfuse or shoot up without the watchfull eye of the media taking note ? helicopter ?

Nothing I love more than first person accounts of races and to hear Lemond talk about those moments in the Tour against Fignon and other funny things from Davis Phinney were awesome.

I could listen to another hour about all those racing moments!!

whiteboytrash said:

Agreed Mr. Watson got famous off the back of his shots for Winning magazine.. he was really the first to not only take shots of the riders but get all of the scenery of the mountains, back roads and fans.... I remember reading he's one hate was sunglasses... as soon as the riders started wearing glasses he could no longer get shots of the riders eyes... the eyes always told the true pain the rider was going through..... he took a fantastic shot of Sean Kelly in the showers at Paris-Roubaix... Kelly semi-naked covered head to toe in mud with only the whites of his eyes visible... great shot which encapsulated the race without a bike in sight.... Winning magazine also had a wonderful column written by Allan Pieper on the final page which was stories inside the peleton... where Alan cut his teeth to become a writer and now with T-Mobile as an DS..... brilliant stuff... as an addendum to all this its a pity Watson had to get onto the Armstrong payroll and sell himself out..... certain riders now refuse to have their photo's taken by him because of this...

I remember that Kelly photo in the showers - that was a great one. The USA version had "The Bike Shop" stories by Maynard Herson on the last page - fictionalized stories told by a small time racer that worked in a bike shop, not the Euro stuff, but he was (still is) a very good writer.

Lance Armstrong even had a column for a while:

DiabloScott said:

I remember that Kelly photo in the showers - that was a great one. The USA version had "The Bike Shop" stories by Maynard Herson on the last page - fictionalized stories told by a small time racer that worked in a bike shop, not the Euro stuff, but he was (still is) a very good writer.

Lance Armstrong even had a column for a while:

It was a great magazine. I remember the magazine's shot of Kelly. I was a big fan of Velonews too, as I followed the US riders. Winning promoted Steve Bauer too. He was a favorite of mine.

Watson's photography is superb. I had him sign a picture book for me once. Watson promoted English speaking riders through out his career. That was his market. He promoted the hell out of Lemond also. And why not? That was where his market was. As Lance was his market.

Think of this....... The stories in the magzine was about cycling and not doping all the time.
Refreshing , wasn't it?

helmutRoole2 said:

But yes, Winning Magazine... brilliant rag. Graham Watson and one other photographer -- can't recall his name but I think he was Italian...

Just came to me. Cor Vos. Both him and Watson really knew how to use their strobes. They'd pop just enough light to bring out some detail in the shadows of the eye sockets and under the nose and chin. Great stuff.

There was also a shot of Kelly hammering over the cobbles at Roubaix one year. Watson over exposed the strobe and it left the background dark. Winning ran it that way and it made the sky behind him look dark and menacing. I don't think Watson did it on purpose, but with his genius, you never know.

whiteboytrash said:

[font=Arial]Winning Magazine was a British publication which there was also a US edition which was the same as the British version but they would leave out one article and put in a report on some crappy US race (oh and letter from American readers !).... brilliant magazine and at the time probably the only English language publication that reported on the pro scene....

Thanks for this - I assumed that it was an American publication.

TiMan said:

good points....

oh, just noticed something...., did you know that in Germany "Der Kaiser" is Franz Beckenbauer, German soccer ledgend and not Ullrich. 🙂

Beckenbauer's been known as the Kaiser for years.
Great footballer.

Very interesting, I wonder how many amateur cyclists resort to performance enhancing drugs as well? My local gym has so many people on roids that it is disturbing...how I know is the guy who deals them has told me who is on and who is not...anyone who has been around a gym enough knows how easy it is to tell.

Next year I plan on racing again...I'm already amazed at how "technical" cycling has gotten with power meters and all the other pieces of equipment used which makes sense...why not train more efficiently. I guess my curiousity has me wondering when I do start racing...how many are on drugs?

Just a thought...

Chris410 said:

Very interesting, I wonder how many amateur cyclists resort to performance enhancing drugs as well? My local gym has so many people on roids that it is disturbing...how I know is the guy who deals them has told me who is on and who is not...anyone who has been around a gym enough knows how easy it is to tell.

Next year I plan on racing again...I'm already amazed at how "technical" cycling has gotten with power meters and all the other pieces of equipment used which makes sense...why not train more efficiently. I guess my curiousity has me wondering when I do start racing...how many are on drugs?

Just a thought...

Here's a bunch of people doping: http://www.cuttingedgemuscle.com/Forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=9

helmutRoole2 said:

Here's a bunch of people doping: cuttingedgemuscle.comforumdisplay.phpOpen ↗

WOW...out of curiosity...does USCF test at all? Do they have any type of enforcement of top riders? I'm off-site in a class so I haven't been able to do much side research.

Really sad to see so many pros doping...and I'm sure quite a few amateur cyclists do as well...guess I better keep that in mind :eek:

helmutRoole2 said:

Here's a bunch of people doping: cuttingedgemuscle.comforumdisplay.phpOpen ↗

Gezus H Christ; You just need to read one of the posts to know that this [censored] it alive and kicking on all levels ! My god ! I think I prefer not to know ! :eek:

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HgB X 3 is pretty much your HCT.

EPO is a 2-3 week program to what any AAS can do in 10 -14 weeks at Base line dosages. I think the best avenue is to raise HCT through AAS's(if your not being tested) which can get you too the high 40's(47-49). Then find enough EPO @ 50IU PER/KG at 2-3(50iu/KG) hits a week for 3 weeks to do the rest. If you want to get even more indepth and have the $$$ AAS for 12 weeks, Attitude TENT and this is a awesome route for a rider who does get tested to raise HCT in the winter months then shift off with a good PCT to just the TENT to suport the HCT, along with a solid IRON/FOLIC ACID and B12 schedule. EPO is a mild PED but a very dangerous one. You monitor and see the increase FAST and the tempatation of more is good is there and can create a serious Health situation if not careful. AAS in mild baseline dosages that do not covert to Estrogen(EQ-Tren) are amazing choices. They act much like EPo buit again at alot slower rate, plus they with proper diet can enhance a positive envroment for strength/muscular gains. Where not talking Mr. Olympia but you can see a change all the same.

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whiteboytrash said:

Gezus H Christ; You just need to read one of the posts to know that this [censored] it alive and kicking on all levels ! My god ! I think I prefer not to know ! :eek:
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HgB X 3 is pretty much your HCT.

EPO is a 2-3 week program to what any AAS can do in 10 -14 weeks at Base line dosages. I think the best avenue is to raise HCT through AAS's(if your not being tested) which can get you too the high 40's(47-49). Then find enough EPO @ 50IU PER/KG at 2-3(50iu/KG) hits a week for 3 weeks to do the rest. If you want to get even more indepth and have the $$$ AAS for 12 weeks, Attitude TENT and this is a awesome route for a rider who does get tested to raise HCT in the winter months then shift off with a good PCT to just the TENT to suport the HCT, along with a solid IRON/FOLIC ACID and B12 schedule. EPO is a mild PED but a very dangerous one. You monitor and see the increase FAST and the tempatation of more is good is there and can create a serious Health situation if not careful. AAS in mild baseline dosages that do not covert to Estrogen(EQ-Tren) are amazing choices. They act much like EPo buit again at alot slower rate, plus they with proper diet can enhance a positive envroment for strength/muscular gains. Where not talking Mr. Olympia but you can see a change all the same.

Chris410 said:

Very interesting, I wonder how many amateur cyclists resort to performance enhancing drugs as well? My local gym has so many people on roids that it is disturbing...how I know is the guy who deals them has told me who is on and who is not...anyone who has been around a gym enough knows how easy it is to tell.

Next year I plan on racing again...I'm already amazed at how "technical" cycling has gotten with power meters and all the other pieces of equipment used which makes sense...why not train more efficiently. I guess my curiousity has me wondering when I do start racing...how many are on drugs?

Just a thought...

Human nature for us to try and get an advantage in any type of competition. In high shcool before soccer games we would drink JOLT cola for a boost.

azdroptop said:

Human nature for us to try and get an advantage in any type of competition. In high shcool before soccer games we would drink JOLT cola for a boost.

We used to use baking soda and once a guy who was having panic attacks because of exam stress distributed muscle relaxants to myself and other cyclists (age 17).... think it had the reverse effect thou.....

azdroptop said:

Human nature for us to try and get an advantage in any type of competition. In high shcool before soccer games we would drink JOLT cola for a boost.

Yeah...I agree with that...sad that people can't put in the work to succeed. I'm sure my eyes will be opened up as I race more and more! Sad what it does to the reputation of the sport and those up and coming cyclists that may even be pressured into following the trend in order to be competitive...sport is becoming more and more a "who is best and not being caught" rather than who's skills brought forth victories.

Chris410 said:

Yeah...I agree with that...sad that people can't put in the work to succeed. I'm sure my eyes will be opened up as I race more and more! Sad what it does to the reputation of the sport and those up and coming cyclists that may even be pressured into following the trend in order to be competitive...sport is becoming more and more a "who is best and not being caught" rather than who's skills brought forth victories.

A guy on my team actually did the same thing before every race..... He trained. Hahaaha.. He actually rode his bike. What a loser. Then during the race, he was usually way off the front, so he never got to listen to all the gossip in the peleton.