Great CN story..

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UCI goes after the "Men in Blackhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2

Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

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UCI goes after the "Men in Blackhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2

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Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

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http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

C'mon, you know damn well who that is. Now, as to why he's wearing
black, who knows. It's certainly not to disguise himself, as noted in
the article mentioned, since he registered for the race under his
correct identity. He's not hiding from anyone, here, but why the
black, who knows?

Fred

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C'mon, you know damn well who that is. Now, as to why he's wearing
black, who knows. It's certainly not to disguise himself, as noted in
the article mentioned, since he registered for the race under his
correct identity. He's not hiding from anyone, here, but why the
black, who knows?

Maybe he was in mourning.
Stealth clothing?
Could be the new Levi Burkha I've heard is in the works.
Maybe when he's drafting the lead guy will look back and think it's
just his own shadow.
It's a test of the new sponsorship projection technology like they use
behind home plate in MLB.

It was pretty crafty of him to wear black so people wouldn't notice he
won.
That way they underestimate him.

He had a very NY, NY look going on - 'ceptin' for the white shoes.
http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813984

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UCI goes after the "Men in
Blackhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2

Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be racist.
I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise, surprise). So
I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?

Benjo

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Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be racist.
I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise, surprise). So
I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?

dumbass,

look who you're dealing with.

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Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be racist.
I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise, surprise). So
I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?

Benjo

Copperopolis, April 2007, Levi

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Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be racist.
I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise, surprise). So
I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?

Benjo

Hey Benjo
I'm not sure where Tom was going with this bit, but he did say that
occasionally agreeing with Tosi could make others think you're a
racist. It would take an incredibly teeny weeny brain to make that
leap.
Tosi had good knowledge of cycling and could add a lot to the
conversation, unfortunately it was wrapped in a really nasty package.
Agreeing with him on some cycling matters has nothing to do with his
views on other things.
I sure as hell considered Tosi to be racist and told him so. Maybe
he's got us mixed up. If so, I'm flattered.
Bill C

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Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

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http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

C'mon, you know damn well who that is. Now, as to why he's wearing
black, who knows. It's certainly not to disguise himself, as noted in
the article mentioned, since he registered for the race under his
correct identity. He's not hiding from anyone, here, but why the
black, who knows?

In Britain, for many years, it was the convention if not the rule that any
rider not representing a club in a race must wear black. Of course, this
is neither funny nor does it support any bizarre conspiracy theory.

--
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;; Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.

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In Britain, for many years, it was the convention if not the rule that
any rider not representing a club in a race must wear black. Of
course, this is neither funny nor does it support any bizarre
conspiracy theory.

Unless you notice that "black" has five letters.

http://tinyurl.com/ys8y4x

--
Bill Asher

Rik Van Diesel said:

UCI goes after the "Men in Black
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2

Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

Cheap Disco [censored]... can't even give Levi enough clothing. Or even a
water-bottle cage for that matter. Notice how he's following J/A
Badonkadonk... He wants on that team if the Disco thing doesn't work out. He
likes the BPG (Berkeley Patients Group) sponsorship.

But seriously, re the quote in the CN story... "wear neutral clothing on
their training rides, rather than their team kit, which helps them avoid
attention by the UCI controllers" Give me a break!! It helps them avoid
attention from every Tom, Dork, and Harry who would otherwise try to ride
with them...

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

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UCI goes after the "Men in
Blackhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2

Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be
racist. I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise,
surprise). So I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?

I said that OTHERS considered YOU to be racist.

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> Blackhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2

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> Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

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>http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

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Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be
racist.
I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise, surprise).
So
I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?

Benjo

Hey Benjo
I'm not sure where Tom was going with this bit, but he did say that
occasionally agreeing with Tosi could make others think you're a
racist. It would take an incredibly teeny weeny brain to make that
leap.
Tosi had good knowledge of cycling and could add a lot to the
conversation, unfortunately it was wrapped in a really nasty package.
Agreeing with him on some cycling matters has nothing to do with his
views on other things.
I sure as hell considered Tosi to be racist and told him so. Maybe
he's got us mixed up. If so, I'm flattered.

Thanks! I only remember that Tosi and I agreed twice: once about the origins
of the anti-doping campaign and the second time when he wrote I didn't know
much about Italy and I answered he was right ... But someone sent me an
e-mail writing that Tom probably mixed me up with bjw@mambo ("Ben"😉, who in
a discussion about Guantanamo (to which both of us contributed as well)
suggested that Tom saw the prisoners in Gitmo as commodities. It doesn't
seem very likely (I don;t think he accused Tom of racism and I never adress
someone as dumbass - not even when he is one), but who knows?

Benjo

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> Blackhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2
>
> Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.
>
> http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be
racist. I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise,
surprise). So I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?

I said that OTHERS considered YOU to be racist.

Who?

Benjo

Mark Fennell said:

Rik Van Diesel said:

UCI goes after the "Men in Black
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2

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Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

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http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

Cheap Disco [censored]... can't even give Levi enough clothing. Or even a
water-bottle cage for that matter. Notice how he's following J/A
Badonkadonk... He wants on that team if the Disco thing doesn't work out. He
likes the BPG (Berkeley Patients Group) sponsorship.

But seriously, re the quote in the CN story... "wear neutral clothing on
their training rides, rather than their team kit, which helps them avoid
attention by the UCI controllers" Give me a break!! It helps them avoid
attention from every Tom, Dork, and Harry who would otherwise try to ride
with them...

Markhttp://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

The black kit Levi is wearing are some of those
Nike "10/2" LANCE shmattes.

Why should the UCI monitors pay attention to the
Men in Black from CN and their training ride kit?
They have an obligation to inform the anti-doping
agencies of their whereabouts for out-of-competition
tests. Beyond that, why should the UCI care if it
can keep track of these guys on their training rides?
Are they going to log hours in the saddle and see
if anyone is suspicious because they improved but
only put in 15 hours last week?

Ben

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:37:45 -0800, "Mark Fennell" <[email hidden]>

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Rik Van Diesel said:

UCI goes after the "Men in Black
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2

Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

Cheap Disco [censored]... can't even give Levi enough clothing. Or even a
water-bottle cage for that matter. Notice how he's following J/A
Badonkadonk... He wants on that team if the Disco thing doesn't work out. He
likes the BPG (Berkeley Patients Group) sponsorship.

But seriously, re the quote in the CN story... "wear neutral clothing on
their training rides, rather than their team kit, which helps them avoid
attention by the UCI controllers" Give me a break!! It helps them avoid
attention from every Tom, Dork, and Harry who would otherwise try to ride
with them...

Mark
http://marcofanelli.blogspot.com

Unless the "UCI controllers" (whatever those might be) are hiding in the bushes
along popular training routes watching riders shoot up. Without the team kit
they can't tell who they have busted. Maybe they've got jersey recognition
software wired to security cameras to catch doping riders.

I have no idea why it would make a difference in doping control what color
jersey a guy wears. Do they drive around looking for riders in team kit, ram the
guys off the road and take blood and urine samples right there.

This whole thing is stupid, counterproductive and nonsensical. They need to
start testing for performance inhibiting drugs at the UCI home office.

Ron

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> On Jun 21, 10:42 am, Rik Van Diesel <[email hidden]>
> wrote:
>> Read story

>> UCI goes after the "Men in
>> Blackhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2

>> Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.

>>http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205

> Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?

You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be
racist.
I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise, surprise).
So
I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?

Benjo

Hey Benjo
I'm not sure where Tom was going with this bit, but he did say that
occasionally agreeing with Tosi could make others think you're a
racist. It would take an incredibly teeny weeny brain to make that
leap.
Tosi had good knowledge of cycling and could add a lot to the
conversation, unfortunately it was wrapped in a really nasty package.
Agreeing with him on some cycling matters has nothing to do with his
views on other things.
I sure as hell considered Tosi to be racist and told him so. Maybe
he's got us mixed up. If so, I'm flattered.

Thanks! I only remember that Tosi and I agreed twice: once about the
origins of the anti-doping campaign and the second time when he wrote I
didn't know much about Italy and I answered he was right ... But someone
sent me an e-mail writing that Tom probably mixed me up with bjw@mambo
("Ben"😉, who in a discussion about Guantanamo (to which both of us
contributed as well) suggested that Tom saw the prisoners in Gitmo as
commodities. It doesn't seem very likely (I don;t think he accused Tom of
racism and I never adress someone as dumbass - not even when he is one),
but who knows?

You seem to be overly concerned about your image here Benjo. But in passing
I did see at least one person imply you were racist and others agree with
him. Whether or not he was mistaking you for Tosi I don't know since I
consider such statements (the like of which are commonly thrown around here)
to be patently absurd. For years I've been calling people Gay just to try to
get through to them that I have no idea what someone's sexual preferences
are and neither do they have the ability to be any more accurate about
someone else on virtually any other subject.

For instance - on this group Henry seems the worlds biggest jackass.
However, I was emailed by one of his board enemies saying that he's a nice
guy who tries to help everyone. If he is that different here as opposed to
in person how the hell can you ever expect to understand anything about
people you've only met through the filter of a newspaper article by someone
that didn't know that person either?

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> > On Jun 21, 10:42 am, Rik Van Diesel <[email hidden]>
> > wrote:
> >> Read story
>
> >> UCI goes after the "Men in
> >> Blackhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2
>
> >> Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.
>
> >>http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205
>
> > Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?
>
> You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be
> racist.
> I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise,
> surprise). So
> I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?
>
> Benjo

Hey Benjo
I'm not sure where Tom was going with this bit, but he did say that
occasionally agreeing with Tosi could make others think you're a
racist. It would take an incredibly teeny weeny brain to make that
leap.
Tosi had good knowledge of cycling and could add a lot to the
conversation, unfortunately it was wrapped in a really nasty package.
Agreeing with him on some cycling matters has nothing to do with his
views on other things.
I sure as hell considered Tosi to be racist and told him so. Maybe
he's got us mixed up. If so, I'm flattered.

Thanks! I only remember that Tosi and I agreed twice: once about the
origins of the anti-doping campaign and the second time when he wrote I
didn't know much about Italy and I answered he was right ... But someone
sent me an e-mail writing that Tom probably mixed me up with bjw@mambo
("Ben"😉, who in a discussion about Guantanamo (to which both of us
contributed as well) suggested that Tom saw the prisoners in Gitmo as
commodities. It doesn't seem very likely (I don;t think he accused Tom of
racism and I never adress someone as dumbass - not even when he is one),
but who knows?

You seem to be overly concerned about your image here Benjo. But in
passing I did see at least one person imply you were racist and others
agree with him. Whether or not he was mistaking you for Tosi I don't know
since I consider such statements (the like of which are commonly thrown
around here) to be patently absurd. For years I've been calling people Gay
just to try to get through to them that I have no idea what someone's
sexual preferences are and neither do they have the ability to be any more
accurate about someone else on virtually any other subject.

For instance - on this group Henry seems the worlds biggest jackass.
However, I was emailed by one of his board enemies saying that he's a nice
guy who tries to help everyone. If he is that different here as opposed to
in person how the hell can you ever expect to understand anything about
people you've only met through the filter of a newspaper article by
someone that didn't know that person either?

I'm not concerned about my image in rbr (who could be?), but I'm curious. If
anybody implied I'm a racist and others agreed with him, I have missed it
completely and I can't find it nowhere. So again: where? when? by whom?

Benjo

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>> > On Jun 21, 10:42 am, Rik Van Diesel <[email hidden]>
>> > wrote:
>> >> Read story
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>> >> UCI goes after the "Men in
>> >> Blackhttp://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/jun07/jun21news2
>>
>> >> Then go to photo and look for a rider in black.
>>
>> >>http://www.pbase.com/bohebe/image/76813205
>>
>> > Hey Rik, are we supposed to recognize that rider?
>>
>> You wrote that without any base of reference I consider others to be
>> racist.
>> I asked you where, when en whom. You didn't answer (surprise,
>> surprise). So
>> I ask you again. Where? When? Whom?
>>
>> Benjo
>
> Hey Benjo
> I'm not sure where Tom was going with this bit, but he did say that
> occasionally agreeing with Tosi could make others think you're a
> racist. It would take an incredibly teeny weeny brain to make that
> leap.
> Tosi had good knowledge of cycling and could add a lot to the
> conversation, unfortunately it was wrapped in a really nasty package.
> Agreeing with him on some cycling matters has nothing to do with his
> views on other things.
> I sure as hell considered Tosi to be racist and told him so. Maybe
> he's got us mixed up. If so, I'm flattered.

Thanks! I only remember that Tosi and I agreed twice: once about the
origins of the anti-doping campaign and the second time when he wrote I
didn't know much about Italy and I answered he was right ... But someone
sent me an e-mail writing that Tom probably mixed me up with bjw@mambo
("Ben"😉, who in a discussion about Guantanamo (to which both of us
contributed as well) suggested that Tom saw the prisoners in Gitmo as
commodities. It doesn't seem very likely (I don;t think he accused Tom
of racism and I never adress someone as dumbass - not even when he is
one), but who knows?

You seem to be overly concerned about your image here Benjo. But in
passing I did see at least one person imply you were racist and others
agree with him. Whether or not he was mistaking you for Tosi I don't know
since I consider such statements (the like of which are commonly thrown
around here) to be patently absurd. For years I've been calling people
Gay just to try to get through to them that I have no idea what someone's
sexual preferences are and neither do they have the ability to be any
more accurate about someone else on virtually any other subject.

For instance - on this group Henry seems the worlds biggest jackass.
However, I was emailed by one of his board enemies saying that he's a
nice guy who tries to help everyone. If he is that different here as
opposed to in person how the hell can you ever expect to understand
anything about people you've only met through the filter of a newspaper
article by someone that didn't know that person either?

I'm not concerned about my image in rbr (who could be?), but I'm curious.
If anybody implied I'm a racist and others agreed with him, I have missed
it completely and I can't find it nowhere. So again: where? when? by whom?

I didn't note the time and place and I erase the threads when they get old.
So you probably have as good a chance of finding it as I have. Remember they
didn't actually SAY racist, I recall that it was just an implication.

BTW, racism doesn't bother me in the least. I grew up in east Oakland in the
heart of an almost totally black neighborhood where every black under the
age of 40 hated whites just because they were white. That was OK but when
some old white postal worker got angry because blacks were being promoted
over him regardless of seniority he was racist.

Now weirdly enough, the older blacks who actually had been discriminated
against, sometimes quite severely, had very little problems with whites.
They would bend over backwards to help anyone. Now THAT was the way to end
racism, not crying about it.

Tom Kunich' cyclintom@yahoo. com said:

... For years I've been calling people Gay just to try to
get through to them that I have no idea what someone's sexual preferences
are and neither do they have the ability to be any more accurate about
someone else on virtually any other subject.

Gee, and we thought that rhetorical device was the "Koach Kunich
Korollary":

http://tinyurl.com/28n7dl