Grape Seed Oil ?

With something that is concentrated, as this is, it is either rather
inert, or it quite active. One study says that it is close to
sunflower oil, which is bad stuff, but I'm guessing that it's got a lot
of antioxidants in it, though they might be refined out of it by the
time it gets to your mouth.

I eat a few organic raisins now and then. They seem to be powerful
antioxdiants without any of the potential negatives of a concentrated
oil high in unsaturated fatty acids.

Do you realize that they are trying to sell you something that you
don't need? Do your realize that you are being taking in by hype? Why
don't you learn to think for yourself? Why don't you research the
different hypotheses, then do your own research to determine which you
think makes thte most sense and has the most and strongest evidence in
its favor?

I've tried to explain why the oxidative stress hypotheses seem to make
much more sense, and have much more and stronger evidence to support
them than anything else (by a wide margin). If you have some other
idea in mind, let's discuss it. But there are so many things that have
not been examined in controlled, truly scientific studies that you
could spend your life on researching them, and still not know what to
conclude. Without an overall framework, you are like a ship lost at
sea, looking for any sign of possible rescue.

I can understand that it would be comforting if someone took you by the
hand and lead you somewhere. However, in a capitalist society, that
will almost always mean you spending money, sometimes on something you
don't need, or that may be harmful. But if you think for yourself,
this is no longer an issue.

Kamalakar Pasupuleti said:

I find some super markets carrying the grape seed oil .
It has a great light greenish look but when I go thru
the contents it has more polyunsaturated fats then the

mono .

Quoted message said:

Similarly it has more omega -6 acids then omega-3 .
I am looking for feedback from users on the benifirts of

this oil .

It is my belief that omega 6 should not be more than omega
3. You might want to search google groups on "Quentin Grady
omega". I am sure he has given the reason why.

"montygram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

With something that is concentrated, as this is, it is either rather
inert, or it quite active. One study says that it is close to
sunflower oil, which is bad stuff, but I'm guessing that it's got a lot
of antioxidants in it, though they might be refined out of it by the
time it gets to your mouth.

Thanks Monty , in 1980's it was PUFA which was important
and when we came to 1990's MUFA was understood in a better way and
the scientific researchers found olive oil despite it's high
cholesterol content was much benificial .

I personally have studied and found Canola oil to be very benificial
as it has improved my lipid profile and stick to it . I wonder
where on earth someone can get so much of seed to extract the oil ?
Most of the seeds having been sold as fruit and are thrown away .

Kam

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Quoted message said:

It is my belief that omega 6 should not be more than omega
3. You might want to search google groups on "Quentin Grady
omega". I am sure he has given the reason why.

Grape seed seems to have all the negative factors
attributed to it . I second with Monty in classifying with
Sunflower oil with a little more cost .

Kam

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Kamalakar Pasupuleti wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

. . . .(snip). . .
I personally have studied and found Canola oil to be very benificial
as it has improved my lipid profile and stick to it . I wonder
where on earth someone can get so much of seed to extract the oil ?
Most of the seeds having been sold as fruit and are thrown away .

Kam

Canola oil comes from an edible variety of rapeseed, developed and grown
expressly for oil. AFAIK, it has no edible fruit.

Grapeseed oil is a byproduct of the wine industry.

Regards
Old Al

On 13 Aug 2005 17:37:51 -0700, "montygram"
<[email hidden]> wrote:
<snip>

Quoted message said:

Do you realize that they are trying to sell you something that you
don't need? Do your realize that you are being taking in by hype? Why
don't you learn to think for yourself?

<snip>

Quoted message said:

I can understand that it would be comforting if someone took you by the
hand and lead you somewhere.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

But if you think for yourself, this is no longer an issue.

Do you realize how unlikely it is that anyone reading what
you wrote is likely to profit from the possibly useful
advice between the arrogant expressions of contempt?

Why don't you learn to communicate in such a way that the
information imparted may be accepted?

I can understand that it may be comforting to post messages
that you feel show your vast knowledge, incredible learning
and supreme intelligence.

But, if you think for yourself, you may realize that to the
readers who bother to get past the first insult it just
displays a rude arrogant prat.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

montygram said:

I've tried to explain why the oxidative stress hypotheses seem to make
much more sense, and have much more and stronger evidence to support
them than anything else (by a wide margin). If you have some other
idea in mind, let's discuss it.

Sorry, but you never respond to criticisms. Who are you fooling?

Just thought that you might want to know that not everybody is as
stupid as you obviously is.

Cheers ...

oldal4865 said:

Canola oil comes from an edible variety of rapeseed, developed and grown
expressly for oil.

In spite of all the garbage written by Montygram there are a number of
studies that document the health benefits of consuming a health grade
canola oil.

All of the exotic oils, like grape seed, contain too much PUFAs in my
opinion.

My own research has indicated that olive oil is the best choice. There
are over 400 research studies backing the benefits of olive oil. My
web page on olive oil
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/oliveoil.html
has hyperlinks to all of these 400+ studies at the bottom of the page.
Factsheets 1 through 6 lists the evidence and links to these studies.
I am now linking to the web archives so these hyperlinks will never
change.

Furthermore, olive oil is very practical as you can find a health grade
bottle of olive oil at most grocery stores. You have to make a special
trip to a health food store before you will find health grade canola
oil.

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Kamalakar Pasupuleti said:

"montygram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

With something that is concentrated, as this is, it is either rather
inert, or it quite active. One study says that it is close to
sunflower oil, which is bad stuff, but I'm guessing that it's got a lot
of antioxidants in it, though they might be refined out of it by the
time it gets to your mouth.

Thanks Monty , in 1980's it was PUFA which was important
and when we came to 1990's MUFA was understood in a better way and
the scientific researchers found olive oil despite it's high
cholesterol content was much benificial .

I personally have studied and found Canola oil to be very benificial
as it has improved my lipid profile and stick to it . I wonder
where on earth someone can get so much of seed to extract the oil ?
Most of the seeds having been sold as fruit and are thrown away .

Kam

The wine making inudustry. :-)
Wine grapes are not seedless and the pressings are sent for commercial
processing for Grape Seed Oil.

Same goes for Olive Oil......

I just bought my first bottle of Grape Seed Oil.
I like to fry my steaks hot and fast to sear them and Olive Oil smokes
up the house. I'm hoping the higher smoke point of Grape Seed Oil will
eliminate that problem. I like my steaks rare, crispy on the outside and
almost raw in the middle.

That is a good reason to try using it for some things, over and above
it's health applications.

Sometimes there are practical reasons!
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

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Kamalakar Pasupuleti said:

"Ozgirl" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

It is my belief that omega 6 should not be more than omega
3. You might want to search google groups on "Quentin Grady
omega". I am sure he has given the reason why.

Grape seed seems to have all the negative factors
attributed to it . I second with Monty in classifying with
Sunflower oil with a little more cost .

Kam

I did some googling on it and it's higher in anti-oxidants than Olive
Oil.

So I don't agree.

'sides, I found a local greek market that carries it for a comparable
price to good EVOO.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

I did some googling on it and it's higher in anti-oxidants than Olive
Oil.

So I don't agree.

'sides, I found a local greek market that carries it for a comparable
price to good EVOO.

Cheers!

Personally, I have no interest in grapeseed oil - I get my
grape resveratrols via red wine. However, those interested
may find it useful to see if there are resveratrols in
grapeseed oil.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
--
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I did some googling on it and it's higher in anti-oxidants than Olive
Oil.

So I don't agree.

'sides, I found a local greek market that carries it for a comparable
price to good EVOO.

Cheers!

OK , which is more important PUFA / MUFA ?
Kam

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Kamalakar Pasupuleti said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I did some googling on it and it's higher in anti-oxidants than Olive
Oil.

So I don't agree.

'sides, I found a local greek market that carries it for a comparable
price to good EVOO.

Cheers!

OK , which is more important PUFA / MUFA ?
Kam

Who cares?

I don't have to breathe smoke now when I want to fry. ;-)

If I'm worried about EFA's, I'll just take fish oil caps!

Just tried the grapeseed oil with a lightly marinated Top Sirloin steak.
It was FABulous! And no smoky air to clear when I was done like I've had
with EVOO...

Sometimes there are practical aspects to using certain oils.
Health aspects can be taken care of in other ways.
The Grapeseed oil is also lighter and more flavorless (and scentless)
than olive oil.

Just my 2 cents as a cook!

Cheers!
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

I've had plenty of people ask me questions over the years, so if you
are offended, you are the first to say so. Some have disagreed with my
interpretation of the evidence, but they have never cited strong
evidence for some alternative hypothesis, and as I've said over and
over, I am not the first person to say what I say here. Instead, this
has all been said before, by scientists, some of them Nobel Prize
winners.

As to Kam's statement that canola oil is "best," I would have to
disagree in the strongest possible terms. I've cited the piglet study,
in which piglets fed canola oil had a drastic drop in vitamin E, even
with supplementation and compared to soybean oil, which isn't very good
either, but turns out to be considerably better than canola. Canola
oil is the one oil that seems dangerous in every way (along with the
orginal oil, called rapeseed), and I'm not just talking science. That
is, many "experts" are touting canola because it is a "monounsaturated
fat," even though it is nearly 40% PUFAs. And so when I go to the
local "health food store," nearly everything's got canola in it.

My point here is that if you've seen the evidence, as I have, and you
realize the oxidative stress hypotheses are the strongest, then canola
oil should be called a "high oxidative stress inducing" oil, and be
classified as one of the worst things you can consume. Calling it a
"monunsaturated fat" means nothing. Even the epidemiological studies
(statistical) that are used to support this ridiculous classification
system make the assumptions that they are meant to prove, and so are
usually worse than useless, because they are so misleading. If anyone
posts one of these kinds of studies (or an abstract of it), I'll be
happy to examine it and explain exactly what is wrong with it. I just
did that for someone with a "trans fatty acid is bad" type of study on
another newsgroup (I've done that here a few times over the years as
well).

In fact, in my 1694 page copy of Shils' and Young's "Modern Nutrition
in Health and Disease," they review the evidence against "trans fat"
and dismiss it, suggesting, essentially, that there is no evidence
against it. My point is that the food products that are considered
"high trans fat" are unhealthy in ways that have been demonstrated
already, and fit into a reasonable hypothesis. When you look at recent
epidemiological studies on "trans fat," you see all kinds of ridiculous
assumptions and decisions. For example, one measured risk of heart
attacks (CHD), when in fact most people want to know about overall
mortality first and foremost. Why didn't they include this
easy-to-measure, very important statistic? Because high PUFA diets
mean higher rates of cancer, and then mortality goes through the roof,
and they would look like utter failures, because what they wanted to
prove turned out to be totally wrong. So they just do whatever they
have to in order to make themselves look good. Read Thomas J. Moore's
book "Heart Failure" for more specifics on this. But ask yourself, do
I really care what the CHD risk is, if it means living 10 years less
overall? That is the insanity that has taken over the "nutritional
science" field these days. Moore wrote about this over 15 years ago,
and it's only gotten worse, not better.

But if you want to ignore me because you think me "arrogant," only you
will suffer, not me.

"montygram" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

As to Kam's statement that canola oil is "best," I would have to
disagree in the strongest possible terms. I've cited the piglet study,
in which piglets fed canola oil had a drastic drop in vitamin E, even
with supplementation and compared to soybean oil, which isn't very good
either, but turns out to be considerably better than canola. Canola
oil is the one oil that seems dangerous in every way (along with the
orginal oil, called rapeseed), and I'm not just talking science. That
is, many "experts" are touting canola because it is a "monounsaturated
fat," even though it is nearly 40% PUFAs. And so when I go to the
local "health food store," nearly everything's got canola in it.

I am one of those who admire your posts , if canola is bad
then what is good for cooking , baking , frying etc leaving aside
extra virgin olive oil .

Regards ,
Kam

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montygram said:

Some have disagreed with my
interpretation of the evidence, but they have never cited strong
evidence for some alternative hypothesis,

Resorting to lying, now are you?

Montygram never responds to criticisms. And, in spite of all the
garbage written by Montygram there are a in fact a very large number of
research studies that have documented the health benefits of consuming
olive oil. I would call that an alternative hypothesis, Montygram!

My web page on olive oil
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/oliveoil.html
has hyperlinks to all of these studies at the bottom of the page.
Factsheets 1 through 6 lists the evidence and links to scientific
research on olive oil. You wont find a more professional presentation
of the vast amount of scientific evidence standing behind olive oil
than what is presented on these 6 factsheets. I am now linking to the
web archives so these links will never change.

Furthermore, olive oil is very practical as you can buy a health grade
bottle of olive oil at most ordinary grocery stores.
--
john gohde
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/oliveoil.html

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Mr-Natural-Health said:

montygram said:

Some have disagreed with my
interpretation of the evidence, but they have never cited strong
evidence for some alternative hypothesis,

Resorting to lying, now are you?

Montygram never responds to criticisms. And, in spite of all the
garbage written by Montygram there are a in fact a very large number of
research studies that have documented the health benefits of consuming
olive oil. I would call that an alternative hypothesis, Montygram!

My web page on olive oil
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/oliveoil.html
has hyperlinks to all of these studies at the bottom of the page.
Factsheets 1 through 6 lists the evidence and links to scientific
research on olive oil. You wont find a more professional presentation
of the vast amount of scientific evidence standing behind olive oil
than what is presented on these 6 factsheets. I am now linking to the
web archives so these links will never change.

Furthermore, olive oil is very practical as you can buy a health grade
bottle of olive oil at most ordinary grocery stores.
--
john gohde
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/oliveoil.html

Ok, and this has _what_ to do with Grape seed oil???

The health benefits (and yummy flavor benefits) of olive oil are well
established.

Care to stay on topic?

Or change the subject line so you don't waste our time?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Ok, and this has _what_ to do with Grape seed oil???

Glad that you asked. 🙂

Forget about grape seed and all the other exotic oils. Stick with olive
oil.

Montygram never responds to criticisms. And, in spite of all the
garbage written by Montygram there are in fact a very large number of
research studies that have documented the health benefits of consuming
olive oil.

My web page on olive oil
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/oliveoil.html
has hyperlinks to all of these studies at the bottom of the page.
Factsheets 1 through 6 lists the evidence and links to scientific
research on olive oil. You wont find a more professional presentation
of the vast amount of scientific evidence standing behind olive oil
than what is presented on these 6 factsheets. I am now linking to the
web archives so these links will never change.

Furthermore, olive oil is very practical as you can buy a health grade
bottle of olive oil at most ordinary grocery stores.
--
john gohde
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/oliveoil.html

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Mr-Natural-Health said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Ok, and this has _what_ to do with Grape seed oil???

Glad that you asked. 🙂

Forget about grape seed and all the other exotic oils. Stick with olive
oil.

I would, but Olive Oil (which is the primary cooking oil I use) smokes
up the house too much when I want to fry a steak. Grapeseed oil has a
higher smoke point and I've finally found it for the same price as good
EVOO so will be using it just for frying.

There are reasons other than health to use it!
Some are just plain practicality as I don't have to air the house out if
I want a well seared steak.

Quoted message said:

Montygram never responds to criticisms. And, in spite of all the
garbage written by Montygram there are in fact a very large number of
research studies that have documented the health benefits of consuming
olive oil.

Olive oil is fabulous and it's been good for my skin.
I also use it externally.

Quoted message said:

My web page on olive oil
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/oliveoil.html
has hyperlinks to all of these studies at the bottom of the page.
Factsheets 1 through 6 lists the evidence and links to scientific
research on olive oil. You wont find a more professional presentation
of the vast amount of scientific evidence standing behind olive oil
than what is presented on these 6 factsheets. I am now linking to the
web archives so these links will never change.

Furthermore, olive oil is very practical as you can buy a health grade
bottle of olive oil at most ordinary grocery stores.
--
john gohde
http://food.naturalhealthperspective.com/oliveoil.html

--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson