grains - how important?

Yef wrote:

Yef,

Whole grains are great food. However, it sounds like you need to
incorporate more foods from other food groups. Remember a good diet is
a balanced diet.

As for grains being the cause of your recent 5-lb weight gain, that is
not the case. Weight gain is all about the number of calories ingested
vs burned. I'd suggest you get a little more exercise.

Patrick

Quoted message said:

I have a problem: I seem to be addicted to grains.
I make my own bread and eat it voraciously. I love
cereals. I could eat Grape Nuts all day. I also like rice.

But since I started making my own bread, at least,
I've gained 5 pounds, partly because I make bread
that requires toasting. I tend to prefer crunchy
foods anyway.

I am now thinking about switching to a vegetarian
diet with all ruffage and fruits. But would that be
healthy? Or do I still need some grains?

Thanks.
Yef

Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought in a causing much
damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not necessary for a healthy
diet.

If you wish to persist, try not eating the most processed food item know to
mankind...bread. You may as well eat plastic. It has less man intevening
processing than bread.

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Quoted message said:

Hi,

I have a problem: I seem to be addicted to grains.
I make my own bread and eat it voraciously. I love
cereals. I could eat Grape Nuts all day. I also like rice.

But since I started making my own bread, at least,
I've gained 5 pounds, partly because I make bread
that requires toasting. I tend to prefer crunchy
foods anyway.

I am now thinking about switching to a vegetarian
diet with all ruffage and fruits. But would that be
healthy? Or do I still need some grains?

Thanks.
Yef

"Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought in a causing
much
damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not necessary for a
healthy
diet.

I see you and TC drink from the same fountain of myth. I agree
processed grains are less healthy but when did genetically modified
grains start all this damage? Are they doing bad voodoo over the fields?
Care to offer a site? And all this time I thought it was too much iron
and evil corn on the cob.

Doug Freese said:

I see you and TC drink from the same fountain of myth. I agree
processed grains are less healthy but when did genetically modified
grains start all this damage? Are they doing bad voodoo over the

fields?

Quoted message said:

Care to offer a site? And all this time I thought it was too much

iron

Quoted message said:

and evil corn on the cob.

You have to think about the science of it. You may not be
from a scientific background, but just understand that the
people doing that genetic engineering neither do much
testing of their products on humans (if any), nor do they
themselves have degrees in (human) medicine. Nor does any
company want to have to pay for clinical testing on humans
and therefore, these GM products are put on the market
before anyone knows if they are safe. We may find out years
later that they aren't, but by then the managers at the
companies who made bad decisions will be long gone, and
will never be held accountable anyway. It's not a business
model that protects people; it puts them at risk, recklessly.

Yef said:

Hi,

I have a problem: I seem to be addicted to grains.
I make my own bread and eat it voraciously. I love
cereals. I could eat Grape Nuts all day. I also like rice.

But since I started making my own bread, at least,
I've gained 5 pounds, partly because I make bread
that requires toasting. I tend to prefer crunchy
foods anyway.

I am now thinking about switching to a vegetarian
diet with all ruffage and fruits. But would that be
healthy? Or do I still need some grains?

Thanks.
Yef

Here is a nutritional break down of wheat products. I choose wheat
because it is by far the most consumed grain.

This is where this data came from:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/

I compared 100 grams of wheat, 100 grams of bleached white wheat flour,
and 100 grams of Kellogg's Puffed Wheat. Notice what happens to the
nutritional value of wheat.

Wheat, hard red spring
Scientific Name: Triticum aestivum L.

Nutrient Units Value per
100 grams of
edible portion
Proximates
Water g 12.76
Energy kcal 329
Energy kj 1377
Protein g 15.4
Total lipid (fat) g 1.92
Ash g 1.89
Carbohydrate, by difference g 68.03
Fiber, total dietary g 12.2
Sugars, total g 0.41
Minerals
Calcium, Ca mg 25
Iron, Fe mg 3.6
Magnesium, Mg mg 124
Phosphorus, P mg 332
Potassium, K mg 340
Sodium, Na mg 2
Zinc, Zn mg 2.78
Copper, Cu mg 0.41
Manganese, Mn mg 4.055
Selenium, Se mcg 70.7
Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid mg 0
Thiamin mg 0.504
Riboflavin mg 0.11
Niacin mg 5.71
Pantothenic acid mg 0.935
Vitamin B-6 mg 0.336
Folate, total mcg 43
Folic acid mcg 0
Folate, food mcg 43
Folate, DFE mcg_DFE 43
Vitamin B-12 mcg 0
Vitamin A, IU IU 9
Vitamin A, RAE mcg_RAE 0
Retinol mcg 0
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) mg 1.01
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) mcg 1.9
Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.314
4:00 g 0
6:00 g 0
8:00 g 0
10:00 g 0
12:00 g 0
14:00 g 0.004
16:00 g 0.283
18:00 g 0.014
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.303
16:1 undifferentiated g 0.066
18:1 undifferentiated g 0.236
20:01 g 0
22:1 undifferentiated g 0
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.765
18:2 undifferentiated g 0.727
18:3 undifferentiated g 0.036
18:04 g 0
20:4 undifferentiated g 0.002
20:5 n-3 g 0
22:5 n-3 g 0
22:6 n-3 g 0
Cholesterol mg 0
Amino acids
Tryptophan g 0.195
Threonine g 0.433
Isoleucine g 0.541
Leucine g 1.038
Lysine g 0.404
Methionine g 0.23
Cystine g 0.404
Phenylalanine g 0.724
Tyrosine g 0.441
Valine g 0.679
Arginine g 0.702
Histidine g 0.33
Alanine g 0.555
Aspartic acid g 0.808
Glutamic acid g 4.946
Glycine g 0.621
Proline g 1.68
Serine g 0.663
Other
Alcohol, ethyl g 0
Caffeine mg 0
Theobromine mg 0
Carotene, beta mcg 5
Carotene, alpha mcg 0
Cryptoxanthin, beta mcg 0
Lycopene mcg 0
Lutein + zeaxanthin mcg 220

Wheat flour, white, all-purpose, enriched, bleached

Nutrient Units Value per
100 grams of
edible portion
Proximates
Water g 11.92
Energy kcal 364
Energy kj 1523
Protein g 10.33
Total lipid (fat) g 0.98
Ash g 0.47
Carbohydrate, by difference g 76.31
Fiber, total dietary g 2.7
Sugars, total g 0.27
Minerals
Calcium, Ca mg 15
Iron, Fe mg 4.64
Magnesium, Mg mg 22
Phosphorus, P mg 108
Potassium, K mg 107
Sodium, Na mg 2
Zinc, Zn mg 0.7
Copper, Cu mg 0.144
Manganese, Mn mg 0.682
Selenium, Se mcg 33.9
Vitamins
Vitamin C, total ascorbic acid mg 0
Thiamin mg 0.785
Riboflavin mg 0.494
Niacin mg 5.904
Pantothenic acid mg 0.438
Vitamin B-6 mg 0.044
Folate, total mcg 183
Folic acid mcg 154
Folate, food mcg 29
Folate, DFE mcg_DFE 291
Vitamin B-12 mcg 0
Vitamin A, IU IU 0
Vitamin A, RAE mcg_RAE 0
Retinol mcg 0
Vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol) mg 0.06
Tocopherol, beta mg 0.07
Tocopherol, gamma mg 0.38
Tocopherol, delta mg 0.02
Vitamin K (phylloquinone) mcg 0.3
Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.155
4:00 g 0
6:00 g 0
8:00 g 0
10:00 g 0
12:00 g 0
14:00 g 0
16:00 g 0.148
18:00 g 0.007
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.087
16:1 undifferentiated g 0
18:1 undifferentiated g 0.087
20:01 g 0
22:1 undifferentiated g 0
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.413
18:2 undifferentiated g 0.391
18:3 undifferentiated g 0.022
18:04 g 0
20:4 undifferentiated g 0
20:5 n-3 g 0
22:5 n-3 g 0
22:6 n-3 g 0
Cholesterol mg 0
Amino acids
Tryptophan g 0.127
Threonine g 0.281
Isoleucine g 0.357
Leucine g 0.71
Lysine g 0.228
Methionine g 0.183
Cystine g 0.219
Phenylalanine g 0.52
Tyrosine g 0.312
Valine g 0.415
Arginine g 0.417
Histidine g 0.23
Alanine g 0.332
Aspartic acid g 0.435
Glutamic acid g 3.479
Glycine g 0.371
Proline g 1.198
Serine g 0.516
Other
Alcohol, ethyl g 0
Caffeine mg 0
Theobromine mg 0
Carotene, beta mcg 0
Carotene, alpha mcg 0
Cryptoxanthin, beta mcg 0
Lycopene mcg 0
Lutein + zeaxanthin mcg 18

Cereals ready-to-eat, KELLOGG, KELLOGG'S Puffed Wheat
Nutrient Units Value per
100 grams of
edible portion
Proximates
Water g 3
Energy kcal 332
Energy kj 1389
Protein g 9.1
Total lipid (fat) g 1.6
Ash g 4.5
Carbohydrate, by difference g 81.8
Fiber, total dietary g 11.4
Sugars, total g 0.76
Minerals
Calcium, Ca mg 40
Phosphorus, P mg 421
Potassium, K mg 474
Sodium, Na mg 3
Vitamins
Lipids
Fatty acids, total saturated g 0.3
Fatty acids, total monounsaturated g 0.8
Fatty acids, total polyunsaturated g 0.5
Fatty acids, total trans g 0
Cholesterol mg 0

***********

By the time the wheat gets to the end consumer, it is virtually bereft
of nutrition.

TC

I too eat plenty of my own wheat products, but I never use unsaturated
fats. Instead, I use butter or coconut oil. I'm thin as a rail, but
everyone else I know (who eats bread from stores) is overweight or
obese. What do they feed farm animals to fatten them up for slaughter?
Mostly corn, soy, and other products with high omega 6 PUFA content.
I use organic pastry flour mainly, and plenty of Rapadura organic
sugar, as well as liqueur (as flavoring). You can easily make your own
liqueur too. You might want to read the book Nourishing Traditions for
some ideas, but whole grains are a fraud - they just disrupt digestion
and rip nutrients out of your body. They also take harmful items out
too, but if you don't eat food that produces oxidative stress, then the
fiber is totally unnecessary, hard on your GI tract, and
antinutritional.

Many people live mostly grain free and are healthier than with graains. This
figure is rising slowly as awareness grows.
Funny thing though. Many epople stopping grain consumption lose their
malnutrition symptoms, their arthritus symptoms disappear or improve, aches
and pains disapear, anxiety problems disappear, lose excess weight and
general health improves.

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"Piezo Guru" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought in a causing
much
damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not necessary for a
healthy
diet.

I see you and TC drink from the same fountain of myth. I agree
processed grains are less healthy but when did genetically modified
grains start all this damage? Are they doing bad voodoo over the fields?
Care to offer a site? And all this time I thought it was too much iron
and evil corn on the cob.

....and you bounce between dairhea and constipations as your digestion system
tries to balance the influx of high acid producing compounds and the villi
in your intestines dies.

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Quoted message said:

I too eat plenty of my own wheat products, but I never use unsaturated
fats. Instead, I use butter or coconut oil. I'm thin as a rail, but
everyone else I know (who eats bread from stores) is overweight or
obese. What do they feed farm animals to fatten them up for slaughter?
Mostly corn, soy, and other products with high omega 6 PUFA content.
I use organic pastry flour mainly, and plenty of Rapadura organic
sugar, as well as liqueur (as flavoring). You can easily make your own
liqueur too. You might want to read the book Nourishing Traditions for
some ideas, but whole grains are a fraud - they just disrupt digestion
and rip nutrients out of your body. They also take harmful items out
too, but if you don't eat food that produces oxidative stress, then the
fiber is totally unnecessary, hard on your GI tract, and
antinutritional.

Piezo Guru said:

Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought in a causing

much

Quoted message said:

damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not necessary for a

healthy

Quoted message said:

diet.

Check out any nutrition chart and you'll see that whole grains are
listed as a good source for a significant number of nutrients. In
fact, I'd say they offer a broader list of nutrients than any other
food item.

Quoted message said:

If you wish to persist, try not eating the most processed food item

know to

Quoted message said:

mankind...bread. You may as well eat plastic. It has less man

intevening

Quoted message said:

processing than bread.

Bread made from "enriched" wheat flour (that pasty white [censored] they call
flour), yes. But real bread made is only made from whole grain flour,
salt, yeast and water. Or FAR from "the most processed food item know
to mankind".

Patrick

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Quoted message said:

Hi,

I have a problem: I seem to be addicted to grains.
I make my own bread and eat it voraciously. I love
cereals. I could eat Grape Nuts all day. I also like rice.

But since I started making my own bread, at least,
I've gained 5 pounds, partly because I make bread
that requires toasting. I tend to prefer crunchy
foods anyway.

I am now thinking about switching to a vegetarian
diet with all ruffage and fruits. But would that be
healthy? Or do I still need some grains?

Thanks.
Yef

It is possible design a diet that avoids grains.
It is easier to avoid the gluten bearing grains and
for perhaps 1 in ~150 it is a really wise act since
that is the incidence of celiac disease.

A vegetarian without grains? How strict?
Are you one who doesn't count dairy, eggs, or
fish? Without some animal origin food
sources, you won't be getting much B-12.

Potatoes, beans, leafy green vegetables, non grass seed
seeds, carrots, green beans. peas, berries,
nuts, sprouts, olive oil, peppers, squash,
coconuts, beets, grapes, wine, fruit, soy,
buckwheat, sesame seeds, flax seeds,
tomatoes, broccoli, etc.

You are completely, hopelessly brainwashed. Try thinking on your own while
you eat your grains

Have you ever seen a kernel of wheat? Ever see one in bread?

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Quoted message said:

Piezo Guru said:

Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought in a causing

much

Quoted message said:

damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not necessary for a

healthy

Quoted message said:

diet.

Check out any nutrition chart and you'll see that whole grains are
listed as a good source for a significant number of nutrients. In
fact, I'd say they offer a broader list of nutrients than any other
food item.

Quoted message said:

If you wish to persist, try not eating the most processed food item

know to

Quoted message said:

mankind...bread. You may as well eat plastic. It has less man

intevening

Quoted message said:

processing than bread.

Bread made from "enriched" wheat flour (that pasty white [censored] they call
flour), yes. But real bread made is only made from whole grain flour,
salt, yeast and water. Or FAR from "the most processed food item know
to mankind".

Patrick

Piezo Guru said:

You are completely, hopelessly brainwashed. Try thinking on your own

while

Quoted message said:

you eat your grains

Wow. That's a really strong counter. I'm so impressed.

Quoted message said:

Have you ever seen a kernel of wheat? Ever see one in bread?

No, kernels are typically ground into flour. Though I've seen whole
kernels of corn (which is a grain) in corn bread. But what point are
you trying to make exactly?

You seem to continue to spew this whacked grain conspiracy theory.
Sure there's some people who may have gluten intolerance (celiac
disease), but there are also some people who have a hard time with
dairy, nuts and seeds, and crazy stuff like folks who are allergic to
electricity. But does it make any of this stuff bad? No. So why keep
pounding away at grains? Because as a recent post showed, human grain
consumption has been around _at least_ as as long as meat consumption,
if not longer.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought in a

causing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

much

Quoted message said:

damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not necessary for a

healthy

Quoted message said:

diet.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Check out any nutrition chart and you'll see that whole grains are
listed as a good source for a significant number of nutrients. In
fact, I'd say they offer a broader list of nutrients than any other
food item.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you wish to persist, try not eating the most processed food

item

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

know to

Quoted message said:

mankind...bread. You may as well eat plastic. It has less man

intevening

Quoted message said:

processing than bread.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bread made from "enriched" wheat flour (that pasty white [censored] they

call

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

flour), yes. But real bread made is only made from whole grain

flour,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

salt, yeast and water. Or FAR from "the most processed food item

know

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to mankind".

To think grains are necessary is only due to common misconception due to
media brainwashing.

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Quoted message said:

Piezo Guru said:

You are completely, hopelessly brainwashed. Try thinking on your own

while

Quoted message said:

you eat your grains

Wow. That's a really strong counter. I'm so impressed.

Quoted message said:

Have you ever seen a kernel of wheat? Ever see one in bread?

No, kernels are typically ground into flour. Though I've seen whole
kernels of corn (which is a grain) in corn bread. But what point are
you trying to make exactly?

You seem to continue to spew this whacked grain conspiracy theory.
Sure there's some people who may have gluten intolerance (celiac
disease), but there are also some people who have a hard time with
dairy, nuts and seeds, and crazy stuff like folks who are allergic to
electricity. But does it make any of this stuff bad? No. So why keep
pounding away at grains? Because as a recent post showed, human grain
consumption has been around _at least_ as as long as meat consumption,
if not longer.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought in a

causing

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

much
> damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not necessary for a
healthy
> diet.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Check out any nutrition chart and you'll see that whole grains are
listed as a good source for a significant number of nutrients. In
fact, I'd say they offer a broader list of nutrients than any other
food item.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> If you wish to persist, try not eating the most processed food

item

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

know to
> mankind...bread. You may as well eat plastic. It has less man
intevening
> processing than bread.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Bread made from "enriched" wheat flour (that pasty white [censored] they

call

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

flour), yes. But real bread made is only made from whole grain

flour,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

salt, yeast and water. Or FAR from "the most processed food item

know

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to mankind".

Piezo Guru said:

To think grains are necessary is only due to common misconception due

to

Quoted message said:

media brainwashing.

No food in particular is necessary. That's a great thing about the
human body. However, it's smart to eat nutrient dense foods, something
grains are.

Patrick

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Quoted message said:

Piezo Guru said:

You are completely, hopelessly brainwashed. Try thinking on your

own

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

while

Quoted message said:

you eat your grains

Wow. That's a really strong counter. I'm so impressed.

Quoted message said:

Have you ever seen a kernel of wheat? Ever see one in bread?

No, kernels are typically ground into flour. Though I've seen

whole

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kernels of corn (which is a grain) in corn bread. But what point

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you trying to make exactly?

You seem to continue to spew this whacked grain conspiracy theory.
Sure there's some people who may have gluten intolerance (celiac
disease), but there are also some people who have a hard time with
dairy, nuts and seeds, and crazy stuff like folks who are allergic

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

electricity. But does it make any of this stuff bad? No. So why

keep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pounding away at grains? Because as a recent post showed, human

grain

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

consumption has been around _at least_ as as long as meat

consumption,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

if not longer.

Quoted message said:

> > Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought in a

causing

Quoted message said:

> much
> > damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not necessary

for a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> healthy
> > diet.

Quoted message said:

> Check out any nutrition chart and you'll see that whole grains

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> listed as a good source for a significant number of nutrients.

In

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> fact, I'd say they offer a broader list of nutrients than any

other

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> food item.

Quoted message said:

> > If you wish to persist, try not eating the most processed

food

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

item

Quoted message said:

> know to
> > mankind...bread. You may as well eat plastic. It has less man
> intevening
> > processing than bread.

Quoted message said:

> Bread made from "enriched" wheat flour (that pasty white [censored]

they

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

call

Quoted message said:

> flour), yes. But real bread made is only made from whole grain

flour,

Quoted message said:

> salt, yeast and water. Or FAR from "the most processed food

item

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Quoted message said:

know

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> to mankind".

Wellthewn go to the feild and pick some grains and eat them. Don't process
the [censored] out of them because you cannot digest them or stand them like that
and say they are good for you.

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Quoted message said:

Piezo Guru said:

To think grains are necessary is only due to common misconception due

to

Quoted message said:

media brainwashing.

No food in particular is necessary. That's a great thing about the
human body. However, it's smart to eat nutrient dense foods, something
grains are.

Patrick

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Quoted message said:

Piezo Guru wrote:

> You are completely, hopelessly brainwashed. Try thinking on your

own

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

while
> you eat your grains

Wow. That's a really strong counter. I'm so impressed.

> Have you ever seen a kernel of wheat? Ever see one in bread?

No, kernels are typically ground into flour. Though I've seen

whole

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

kernels of corn (which is a grain) in corn bread. But what point

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

you trying to make exactly?

You seem to continue to spew this whacked grain conspiracy theory.
Sure there's some people who may have gluten intolerance (celiac
disease), but there are also some people who have a hard time with
dairy, nuts and seeds, and crazy stuff like folks who are allergic

to

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

electricity. But does it make any of this stuff bad? No. So why

keep

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

pounding away at grains? Because as a recent post showed, human

grain

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

consumption has been around _at least_ as as long as meat

consumption,

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

if not longer.

> > > Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought in a
causing
> > much
> > > damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not necessary

for a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > healthy
> > > diet.

> > Check out any nutrition chart and you'll see that whole grains

are

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > listed as a good source for a significant number of nutrients.

In

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > fact, I'd say they offer a broader list of nutrients than any

other

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > food item.

> > > If you wish to persist, try not eating the most processed

food

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

item
> > know to
> > > mankind...bread. You may as well eat plastic. It has less man
> > intevening
> > > processing than bread.

> > Bread made from "enriched" wheat flour (that pasty white [censored]

they

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

call
> > flour), yes. But real bread made is only made from whole grain
flour,
> > salt, yeast and water. Or FAR from "the most processed food

item

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know
> > to mankind".

Piezo Guru said:

Wellthewn go to the feild and pick some grains and eat them. Don't

process

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the [censored] out of them because you cannot digest them or stand them

like that

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and say they are good for you.

Ground whole grain is heavily proccessed? Does that mean that ground
meat/beef has also been heavily processed? And would rolled oats be on
the same processing scale as say, sliced meat?

As for going out in the field and picking some grain and eating it,
sounds good! Some corn on the cob sound great!! While I do that, you
can shoot a deer and eat it in the field too... just be sure not to
cook it before you eat it... you don't want to process the [censored] out of
it.

Patrick

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To think grains are necessary is only due to common misconception

due

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to

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media brainwashing.

No food in particular is necessary. That's a great thing about the
human body. However, it's smart to eat nutrient dense foods,

something

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grains are.

Patrick

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> Piezo Guru wrote:
>
> > You are completely, hopelessly brainwashed. Try thinking on

your

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own

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> while
> > you eat your grains
>
> Wow. That's a really strong counter. I'm so impressed.
>
> > Have you ever seen a kernel of wheat? Ever see one in bread?
>
> No, kernels are typically ground into flour. Though I've seen

whole

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> kernels of corn (which is a grain) in corn bread. But what

point

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are

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> you trying to make exactly?
>
> You seem to continue to spew this whacked grain conspiracy

theory.

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> Sure there's some people who may have gluten intolerance

(celiac

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> disease), but there are also some people who have a hard time

with

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> dairy, nuts and seeds, and crazy stuff like folks who are

allergic

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to

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> electricity. But does it make any of this stuff bad? No. So

why

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keep

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> pounding away at grains? Because as a recent post showed,

human

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grain

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> consumption has been around _at least_ as as long as meat

consumption,

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> if not longer.
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> > > > Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought

in a

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> causing
> > > much
> > > > damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not

necessary

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for a

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> > > healthy
> > > > diet.
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> > > Check out any nutrition chart and you'll see that whole

grains

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are

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nutrients.

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> > > fact, I'd say they offer a broader list of nutrients than

any

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other

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> > > food item.
>
> > > > If you wish to persist, try not eating the most processed

food

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> item
> > > know to
> > > > mankind...bread. You may as well eat plastic. It has less

man

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> > > intevening
> > > > processing than bread.
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> > > Bread made from "enriched" wheat flour (that pasty white

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they

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> flour,
> > > salt, yeast and water. Or FAR from "the most processed

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item

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Exactly!

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Piezo Guru said:

Wellthewn go to the feild and pick some grains and eat them. Don't

process

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the [censored] out of them because you cannot digest them or stand them

like that

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and say they are good for you.

Ground whole grain is heavily proccessed? Does that mean that ground
meat/beef has also been heavily processed? And would rolled oats be on
the same processing scale as say, sliced meat?

As for going out in the field and picking some grain and eating it,
sounds good! Some corn on the cob sound great!! While I do that, you
can shoot a deer and eat it in the field too... just be sure not to
cook it before you eat it... you don't want to process the [censored] out of
it.

Patrick

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> To think grains are necessary is only due to common misconception

due

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to
> media brainwashing.

No food in particular is necessary. That's a great thing about the
human body. However, it's smart to eat nutrient dense foods,

something

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grains are.

Patrick

> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
> news:[email hidden]...
> > Piezo Guru wrote:
> >
> > > You are completely, hopelessly brainwashed. Try thinking on

your

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own
> > while
> > > you eat your grains
> >
> > Wow. That's a really strong counter. I'm so impressed.
> >
> > > Have you ever seen a kernel of wheat? Ever see one in bread?
> >
> > No, kernels are typically ground into flour. Though I've seen
whole
> > kernels of corn (which is a grain) in corn bread. But what

point

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are
> > you trying to make exactly?
> >
> > You seem to continue to spew this whacked grain conspiracy

theory.

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> > Sure there's some people who may have gluten intolerance

(celiac

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> > disease), but there are also some people who have a hard time

with

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> > dairy, nuts and seeds, and crazy stuff like folks who are

allergic

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to
> > electricity. But does it make any of this stuff bad? No. So

why

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keep
> > pounding away at grains? Because as a recent post showed,

human

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grain
> > consumption has been around _at least_ as as long as meat
consumption,
> > if not longer.
> >
> > > > > Grains are a recently genetically modified food brought

in a

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> > causing
> > > > much
> > > > > damage to people's intestinal walls. They are not

necessary

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for a
> > > > healthy
> > > > > diet.
> >
> > > > Check out any nutrition chart and you'll see that whole

grains

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are
> > > > listed as a good source for a significant number of

nutrients.

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In
> > > > fact, I'd say they offer a broader list of nutrients than

any

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other
> > > > food item.
> >
> > > > > If you wish to persist, try not eating the most processed
food
> > item
> > > > know to
> > > > > mankind...bread. You may as well eat plastic. It has less

man

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> > > > intevening
> > > > > processing than bread.
> >
> > > > Bread made from "enriched" wheat flour (that pasty white

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they
> > call
> > > > flour), yes. But real bread made is only made from whole

grain

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> > flour,
> > > > salt, yeast and water. Or FAR from "the most processed

food

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item
> > know
> > > > to mankind".
> >