I'd thought we had progressed in newsgroups from such arguements.
We have, but then the occasional Troll pops in. :-)
Quoted message said:
I have never used my compass since my first purchase of a Trimble GPS in 1992. Today the GPS receivers available are far superior to my original one both in performance and battery life.
At 1410 on 5 December 1945, five TBM Avengers comprising Flight 19 rose into the sky above NAS Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Turning east the formation headed out over the Atlantic on the first leg of a routine exercise from which the 14 men of Flight 19 were never to return.
Interestingly each of the pilots of the planes were using the 3 compasses they had on board to navigate the triangular NAVEX. It would seem that all 14 crew became disorientated and being unable to make use of their aircrafts compasses to locate their position had to ditch in the sea and were lost. Had these chaps had the cheapest functioning GPS available now they would have had a 99.9% chance of getting back home because their position would have been known to them relative to their base airfield.
You Are Eric Von Danniken, And I Claim My Five Free Dubious Books About Mysterious Happenings. :-) -- Gordon Harris
I'd thought we had progressed in newsgroups from such arguements.
We have, but then the occasional Troll pops in. :-)
Quoted message said:
I have never used my compass since my first purchase of a Trimble GPS in 1992. Today the GPS receivers available are far superior to my original one both in performance and battery life.
At 1410 on 5 December 1945, five TBM Avengers comprising Flight 19 rose into the sky above NAS Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Turning east the formation headed out over the Atlantic on the first leg of a routine exercise from which the 14 men of Flight 19 were never to return.
Interestingly each of the pilots of the planes were using the 3 compasses they had on board to navigate the triangular NAVEX. It would seem that all 14 crew became disorientated and being unable to make use of their aircrafts compasses to locate their position had to ditch in the sea and were lost. Had these chaps had the cheapest functioning GPS available now they would have had a 99.9% chance of getting back home because their position would have been known to them relative to their base airfield.
You Are Eric Von Danniken, And I Claim My Five Free Dubious Books About Mysterious Happenings. :-) -- Gordon Harris
I'd thought we had progressed in newsgroups from such arguements.
We have, but then the occasional Troll pops in. :-)
Quoted message said:
I have never used my compass since my first purchase of a Trimble GPS in 1992. Today the GPS receivers available are far superior to my original one both in performance and battery life.
At 1410 on 5 December 1945, five TBM Avengers comprising Flight 19 rose into the sky above NAS Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Turning east the formation headed out over the Atlantic on the first leg of a routine exercise from which the 14 men of Flight 19 were never to return.
Interestingly each of the pilots of the planes were using the 3 compasses they had on board to navigate the triangular NAVEX. It would seem that all 14 crew became disorientated and being unable to make use of their aircrafts compasses to locate their position had to ditch in the sea and were lost. Had these chaps had the cheapest functioning GPS available now they would have had a 99.9% chance of getting back home because their position would have been known to them relative to their base airfield.
You Are Eric Von Danniken, And I Claim My Five Free Dubious Books About Mysterious Happenings. :-) -- Gordon Harris
I'd thought we had progressed in newsgroups from such arguements.
We have, but then the occasional Troll pops in. :-)
Quoted message said:
I have never used my compass since my first purchase of a Trimble GPS in 1992. Today the GPS receivers available are far superior to my original one both in performance and battery life.
At 1410 on 5 December 1945, five TBM Avengers comprising Flight 19 rose into the sky above NAS Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Turning east the formation headed out over the Atlantic on the first leg of a routine exercise from which the 14 men of Flight 19 were never to return.
Interestingly each of the pilots of the planes were using the 3 compasses they had on board to navigate the triangular NAVEX. It would seem that all 14 crew became disorientated and being unable to make use of their aircrafts compasses to locate their position had to ditch in the sea and were lost. Had these chaps had the cheapest functioning GPS available now they would have had a 99.9% chance of getting back home because their position would have been known to them relative to their base airfield.
You Are Eric Von Danniken, And I Claim My Five Free Dubious Books About Mysterious Happenings. :-) -- Gordon Harris
I'd thought we had progressed in newsgroups from such arguements.
We have, but then the occasional Troll pops in. :-)
Quoted message said:
I have never used my compass since my first purchase of a Trimble GPS in 1992. Today the GPS receivers available are far superior to my original one both in performance and battery life.
At 1410 on 5 December 1945, five TBM Avengers comprising Flight 19 rose into the sky above NAS Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Turning east the formation headed out over the Atlantic on the first leg of a routine exercise from which the 14 men of Flight 19 were never to return.
Interestingly each of the pilots of the planes were using the 3 compasses they had on board to navigate the triangular NAVEX. It would seem that all 14 crew became disorientated and being unable to make use of their aircrafts compasses to locate their position had to ditch in the sea and were lost. Had these chaps had the cheapest functioning GPS available now they would have had a 99.9% chance of getting back home because their position would have been known to them relative to their base airfield.
You Are Eric Von Danniken, And I Claim My Five Free Dubious Books About Mysterious Happenings. :-) -- Gordon Harris
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:56:28 +0100, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> wrote:
| Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult | the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed | to drop the map somewhere en route.
You were on a a mountain without enough wind to blow said map down into the nearest valley? Hmmmmm -- Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk> In Case of Emergency Store the word "ICE" in your mobile phone address book, and against it enter the number of the person you would want to be contacted "In Case of Emergency". http://tinyurl.com/79lz9
"Alan Bremner" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Richard Baker said:
Use the GPS, but never totally rely on it
Unless you're on a featureless mountainside in cloud, stop to consult the map then push on to the summit, only to find that you've managed to drop the map somewhere en route. The GPS is then invaluable in allowing you to backtrack exactly and find said map, so as you can then plot a route out of the aforementioned cloud. I was quite proud of that one.... <g>
If you'd dropped the GPS could you have back tracked to find it with the map?
If you'd dropped the GPS could you have back tracked to find it with the map?
I did that only once, and a helpful couple found it for me. :-) It fell off my rucksack where I had stupidly placed it while we ate lunch.
Like all good GPS users I now find that without the instrument clutched firmly in my hand, I am unable to move my legs.
However, the GPS is now always in a holster on my shoulder strap, and I carry a similarly shaped piece of smooth wood in my left hand, which frees up my legs. If I drop the wood I do not have to backtrack far because my legs immediately seize up.
Walking pole fanatics can also be rehabilitated by giving them two pieces of dowel to carry. (One piece in one hand is of little use). -- Gordon Harris
At one time we all corresponded by writing on paper and sending these missives via a stagecoach pulled by horses. Now we have the internet. Times change, and everything evolves. I presume the "my compas is all I will ever use" brigade are also still wearing woollen knee breeches and Norfolk jackets.
"Norman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Richard Baker said:
I love them both, but you don't need batteries for a compass 🙂 When your GPS fails, the compass is still there and working fine. Use the GPS, but never totally rely on it
Richard
A sweeping assumption. Compasses can fail, be affected by certain rocks and local anomalies rendering it useless. You also tend to need a map with a compass. I'd thought we had progressed in newsgroups from such arguements.
I have never used my compass since my first purchase of a Trimble GPS in 1992. Today the GPS receivers available are far superior to my original one both in performance and battery life.
At 1410 on 5 December 1945, five TBM Avengers comprising Flight 19 rose into the sky above NAS Fort Lauderdale, Fla. Turning east the formation headed out over the Atlantic on the first leg of a routine exercise from which the 14 men of Flight 19 were never to return.
Interestingly each of the pilots of the planes were using the 3 compasses they had on board to navigate the triangular NAVEX. It would seem that all 14 crew became disorientated and being unable to make use of their aircrafts compasses to locate their position had to ditch in the sea and were lost. Had these chaps had the cheapest functioning GPS available now they would have had a 99.9% chance of getting back home because their position would have been known to them relative to their base airfield.
What you can't do with a compass is find your position in featureless terrain or on the sea out of sight of land. Therefore I would always rely on my GPS in preference to a compass any day. It is easy to put new batteries in the GPS and take enough spares with you to last the period of your trip.
I would think that in another 10 years no-one will be using the magnetic compass and it will go the same way as the slide rule and logarithms when the pocket calculator became available.
At one time we all corresponded by writing on paper and sending these missives via a stagecoach pulled by horses. Now we have the internet. Times change, and everything evolves. I presume the "my compas is all I will ever use" brigade are also still wearing woollen knee breeches and Norfolk jackets.
Ah, presumption - the comfortable retreat of the narrow mind.
I don't wear woollen breeches or a Norfolk jacket, but a compass is probably all I will ever use. This is not because I have any particular aversion to a GPS, I just know that I don't need one and can't think of any time when one would have been necessary.
Does this qualify me as a member of the brigade that appears to attract your contempt, presumably on the grounds that since we choose to continue to make use of such antiquated technology then we are, apparently, irredeemably locked into the past in all other aspects?
"Colin MacDonald" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
Quoted message said:
Admiral Benbow said:
At one time we all corresponded by writing on paper and sending these missives via a stagecoach pulled by horses. Now we have the internet. Times change, and everything evolves. I presume the "my compas is all I will ever use" brigade are also still wearing woollen knee breeches and Norfolk jackets.
Ah, presumption - the comfortable retreat of the narrow mind.
I don't wear woollen breeches or a Norfolk jacket, but a compass is probably all I will ever use. This is not because I have any particular aversion to a GPS, I just know that I don't need one and can't think of any time when one would have been necessary.
Does this qualify me as a member of the brigade that appears to attract your contempt, presumably on the grounds that since we choose to continue to make use of such antiquated technology then we are, apparently, irredeemably locked into the past in all other aspects?
Hear hear. "At one time" we all moved about by walking. Now we have cars but, strangely, we still walk voluntarily and even have high tech communication forums like urw to communicate about it. One may "want" a GPS (which is fine) but sometimes just having all you need already in the bag with no need for batteries etc., is quite sufficient.
