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  1. The message <[email hidden]>
    from "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

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    Just set it to auto-calibrate and it stays accurate.

    You hope.

    On my last few visits to th ELD I have set the height correctly
    outside my house before driving off but have still got discrepencies
    well in excess of 100 feet for circular walks from the parked car.

    Quoted message said:

    Really? I haven't used mine often enough to encounter such a variation.

    The walks weren't particularly long or steep. IIRC walk one was 8 miles
    and 2500 feet of ascent and walk 2 3.5 miles and 750 feet of ascent.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I
    can't recall the exact figures and not being at home I can't access
    my records but last Friday walk 1 had a start/finish height
    discrepancy of approaching 200 feet and walk 2 (starting from just
    over a mile down the road from the first) had one of over 100 feet.
    The GPS had been on continuously (as had auto-cal).

    Quoted message said:

    Did you calibrate the altimeter height *after* you got a decent lock?

    Yes.

    --
    Roger Chapman

  2. roger said:
    Quoted message said:

    Did you calibrate the altimeter height *after* you got a decent lock?

    Yes.

    Okay. I'll keep you informed if anything like this happens to me.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  3. roger <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:


    The walks weren't particularly long or steep. IIRC walk one was 8 miles
    and 2500 feet of ascent

    <Splutter>!
    --
    Gordon

  4. Rodders wrote on Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:40:35 +0100....

    Quoted message said:

    Thats what I am doing next. Did you park next to the war memorial as Ben
    suggests in his site?

    http://www.b-mercer.demon.co.uk/dum.htm

    Um... maybe it's my eyesight but I'm reading it as "Bev" rather than
    "Ben". Possibly a "her" rather than a "him"?

    --
    Tim Jackson
    [email hidden]
    (Change '.invalid' to '.co.uk' to reply direct)
    Absurd patents: visit http://www.patent.freeserve.co.uk

  5. Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    roger said:
    Quoted message said:

    Did you calibrate the altimeter height *after* you got a decent lock?

    Yes.

    Okay. I'll keep you informed if anything like this happens to me.

    Paul

    Mine (Summit and Vista) need a few minutes from switch-on to give an
    accurate height, then give accuracy within a couple of metres with
    decent satellite lock.

    I rarely calibrate them as we start a walk - just leave them on auto.

    There are occasional jumps when reception is bad, but can't explain the
    leaps which took place on that stroll in the Dales with........

    Uh-Oh! Roger amongst others. ;-)
    --
    Gordon

  6. "Tim Jackson" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Rodders wrote on Sun, 26 Sep 2004 18:40:35 +0100....

    Quoted message said:

    Thats what I am doing next. Did you park next to the war memorial as Ben
    suggests in his site?

    http://www.b-mercer.demon.co.uk/dum.htm

    Um... maybe it's my eyesight but I'm reading it as "Bev" rather than
    "Ben". Possibly a "her" rather than a "him"?

    I think I must have have been up too many Bens.

    Rory

  7. Gordon said:

    Mine (Summit and Vista) need a few minutes from switch-on to give an
    accurate height, then give accuracy within a couple of metres with
    decent satellite lock.

    I rarely calibrate them as we start a walk - just leave them on auto.

    Problem is, if you just turn it on at the start of the walk, firstly the
    altitude will have changed due to pressure changes, and secondly, the
    GPS altitude at first lock may be way out, so you'll be starting with an
    incorrect altitude, sometimes perhaps wildly inaccurate.

    It will of course sort itself out over time due to the auto-calibration,
    but as has been pointed out, this takes at least half an hour. Best to
    calibrate manually at the start, *after* the GPS has got a decent lock,
    so that you've got an accurate altitude to start with. Even if you just
    set it to use the currect GPS altitude, that will usually be better than
    nothing.

    I start all my trips at home, at a known elevation, so I start by
    plugging my GPS into the ciggy lighter in the car, wait until it gets a
    lock, then calibrate to 71m. By the time I get to the start of the walk
    the auto-cal will have settled down.

    Paul
    --
    http://www.wilderness-wales.co.uk
    http://www.wildwales.fsnet.co.uk

  8. The message <[email hidden]>
    from "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    I start all my trips at home, at a known elevation, so I start by
    plugging my GPS into the ciggy lighter in the car, wait until it gets a
    lock, then calibrate to 71m. By the time I get to the start of the walk
    the auto-cal will have settled down.

    That's what I have been doing of late. (Well, almost - height 535 feet,
    not 71m). But after driving 100 minutes plus I have still been getting
    that large discrepancy between start and finish height on the walk.

    --
    Roger Chapman

  9. roger said:

    The message <[email hidden]>
    from "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I start all my trips at home, at a known elevation, so I start by
    plugging my GPS into the ciggy lighter in the car, wait until it gets a
    lock, then calibrate to 71m. By the time I get to the start of the walk
    the auto-cal will have settled down.

    Quoted message said:

    That's what I have been doing of late. (Well, almost - height 535 feet,
    not 71m). But after driving 100 minutes plus I have still been getting
    that large discrepancy between start and finish height on the walk.

    Autocal only works when there are enough sats to get a 3D fix. If the
    GPSR can only see 3 sats, or if there are more but in a poor config,
    then the unit defaults to 2D navigation, i.e., it assumes height isn't
    changing and works out horiz position on the basis of that
    assumption. Of course autocal doesn't work when satellite lock is lost
    anyway.

    In other words, if you want autocal to work, i.e., good barometric
    altitude tracks, there have to be frequent enough periods of good
    enough sat view for GPS altitude to work.

    Lots of folk assume that if the GPS can locate you, then autocal must
    be working. Not so if you're only getting a 2D fix. Unfortunately many
    GPSRs don't tell you if they've defaulted to 2D fixing, and if not,
    there's no easy way of finding out, since >3 sats and config too bad
    for 3D happens more often than 2D due to just 3 sats. There *is* a
    fiddly way of finding out: start the process of trying to manually
    calibrate the altimeter to GPS altitude. If it refuses to let you do
    so, then it's using 2D position fixing and hasn't got a GPS
    altitude. You don't need to complete the process (and possibly reduce
    the accuracy of the altimeter) if it *will* permit it, you just need
    to see that it would have permitted it.

    I'm so glad I forked out the extra money for a GPSR with
    autocalibrated barometric altimeter. I suspected it would be more
    interesting than a plain vanilla GPSR, but its often apparently
    baffling behaviour has provided far more than its money's worth in
    terms of interesting puzzles, entertaining experiments, and education!
    --
    Chris Malcolm [email hidden] +44 (0)131 651 3445 DoD #205
    IPAB, Informatics, JCMB, King's Buildings, Edinburgh, EH9 3JZ, UK
    [http://www.dai.ed.ac.uk/homes/cam/]

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