Got the b*****d! (I hope)

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A follow up to the recent cyclists death on the outskirts of Edinburgh

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(haven't seen anyone else post it yet).

Graeme

Good stuff, hope he gets a real punishment. But he'll probably get a slap on the wrist. After all
we wouldn't want to put people off driving !

Graham

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A follow up to the recent cyclists death on the outskirts of Edinburgh

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(haven't seen anyone else post it yet).

Graeme

Good, about time .. 😉

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"Graeme Dods" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A follow up to the recent cyclists death on the outskirts of Edinburgh

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(haven't seen anyone else post it yet).

Good.

Let's hope they nail him. Causing death by *** driving, leaving the scene of an accident, should be
at least 3 points and a 50pound fine.

E

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"Graeme Dods" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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A follow up to the recent cyclists death on the outskirts of Edinburgh

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(haven't seen anyone else post it yet).

Good.

Let's hope they nail him. Causing death by *** driving, leaving the scene of an accident, should
be at least 3 points and a 50pound fine.

Dangerous? 2-10 years prison.

But "dangerous" has to be well below the standards and obviously v.bad to a normal driver - or
something like that. As a normal driver thinks its OK to squeeze cyclists, thats not
dangerous. honest.

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Dangerous? 2-10 years prison.

But "dangerous" has to be well below the standards and obviously v.bad to

a

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normal driver - or something like that. As a normal driver thinks its OK to squeeze cyclists,
thats not dangerous. honest.

In all seriousness, it's been interesting to listen to the police over the last weeks on the local
news, their rhetoric has been surprisingly driver hostile - "Drivers must learn that this sort of
behaviour is completely unnacceptable" "sentencing must reflect the serious nature of the crime" -
I'll be interested to see what actually happens.

I'll tune in to the local news and see what gives.

E

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Ees 404 :-(

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Ees 404 :-(

Eessnot for me 🙂

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But "dangerous" has to be well below the standards and obviously v.bad to a normal driver - or
something like that. As a normal driver thinks its OK to squeeze cyclists, thats not
dangerous. honest.

BBC news seem to indicate that it was deliberate.

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I'd be interested in hearing about that. There's all sorts of stuff

coming

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out

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from various bits of "officialdom" stating speeding motorists/road rage

etc.,

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must be dealt with more seriously by the courts. Whether it happens in

reality

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will be interesting to find out.

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He swerved into the cyclist. He's been released on bail and has been charged 'with driving a van
in a culpable and reckless manner'

It's an interesting, and peculiarly Scottish, charge. It allows that if

the

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culpable homicide charge falls (death by dangerous driving or thereabouts) the less charge of
death by reckless driving can be invoked.

<http://www.hmso.gov.uk/acts/acts1988/Ukpga_19880053_en_2.htm>

.-(1) If on the trial on indictment in Scotland of a person for culpable homicide in connection
with the driving of a motor vehicle by him the jury are not satisfied that he is guilty of
culpable homicide but are satisfied that he is guilty of an offence under section 2 of the Road
Traffic Act

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(reckless driving), they may find him guilty of that offence.

E

But he hasn't been charged with culpable homicide..?

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"wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter" <[email hidden]> wrote in

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I'd be interested in hearing about that. There's all sorts of stuff

coming

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out from various bits of "officialdom" stating speeding motorists/road

rage

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etc., must be dealt with more seriously by the courts. Whether it happens

in

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reality will be interesting to find out.

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He swerved into the cyclist. He's been released on bail and has been charged 'with driving a van
in a culpable and reckless manner'

As I was quite vociferous in my protest that the report of this drivers actions had been jumped upon
and he had been attacked without anyone _actually_ knowing what happened, I'd now like to say that
as we now know the truth, I would like to apologise for appearing to defend him. It had never been
my intention to defend a driver in this way, just that I felt the original report was at best
ambiguous, at worst plain wrong, in some aspects.

I still, being a car driver myself, don't believe all drivers behave like this, but for those that
do, long custodial sentences and taking away of driving priviledges for a decently long time ought
to be much more prevalent.

Or, as has been suggested, 'cut their goolies off' ... you know it makes sense. 😉

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(wafflycathcsdirtycatlitter) said:

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Ees 404 :-(

Eessnot for me 🙂

No, happily 200 again now. All of the Scotsman site was trashed when I tried - maybe their system
was having a coffee break.

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Eddie Dubourg said:

He swerved into the cyclist. He's been released on bail and has been charged 'with driving a van in
a culpable and reckless manner' It's an interesting, and peculiarly Scottish, charge.

An interesting legal system (I like the Scots system with the "not proven" verdict). Do they retain
the traditional punishment of CUT HIS GOOLIES OFF?

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Sandy Morton said:

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But "dangerous" has to be well below the standards and

obviously

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v.bad to a normal driver - or something like that. As a normal driver thinks its OK to squeeze
cyclists, thats

not

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dangerous. honest.

BBC news seem to indicate that it was deliberate.

A collegue of mine knows one of the witnesses. She said the van swerved towards the cyclist. She was
so shaken by what she had seen she that couldn't even remember the colour of the van but her young
son who also saw it did. Apparently when he was at primary school next day the class had to draw a
picture story and he drew a blue van hitting a bike.
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To préçis:-

He swerved into the cyclist. He's been released on bail and has been charged 'with driving a van
in a culpable and reckless manner'

As I was quite vociferous in my protest that the report of this drivers actions had been jumped
upon and he had been attacked without anyone _actually_ knowing what happened, I'd now like to say
that as we now know the truth, I would like to apologise for appearing to defend him.

Then I would also like to apologise for thinking you were Paul Smith. It was a despicable
thought of mine.

John B

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Or, as has been suggested, 'cut their goolies off' ... you know it makes sense. 😉

I would suggest that castration should be an option for any child or sexually motivated attack. In
this instance a long custodial sentence would appear appropriate. At this moment in time it appears
that he will plead guilty.

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Sandy Morton said:

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'cut their goolies off'

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I would suggest that castration should be an option for any child or sexually motivated attack. In
this instance a long custodial sentence would appear appropriate.

It's a quote from "Not the Nine O'clock News"

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On 6 Feb 2003 07:42:18 -0800 someone who may be [email hidden] (Graeme Dods) wrote this:-

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"According to witnesses, the driver of the van braked hard after the collision but then drove away
at high speed."

Those who said that maybe the driver did not realise that he had hit anything please note.

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On 6 Feb 2003 07:42:18 -0800 someone who may be [email hidden] (Graeme Dods) wrote this:-

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"According to witnesses, the driver of the van braked hard after the collision but then drove away
at high speed."

Those who said that maybe the driver did not realise that he had hit anything please note.

<polite cough> .. see my earlier post in this thread .. 😉

As explained, and in mitigation, that is not what the original report said ...

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Eddie Dubourg said:

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Finally, thank you! Aomeone that relises that Usenet is meant to be about news and discussion , not
about posting urls.