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  1. Dear Peter,

    Google seems to have things re-indexed again, Monday evening.

    Earlier, the index and tree would goof around when refreshed, with a
    thread claiming one post but showing many and vice-versa.

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech

    Since Google archive all of RBT back to the crack of doom (somewhere in
    the early '90's), it can take a while to sort out a problem.

    For what we pay them (it's free), we get a very nice bargain.

    But there are still a few problems--I have to supply a subject for this
    thread, even though I'm replying to your original post.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

  2. Quoted message said:

    Dear Peter,

    Google seems to have things re-indexed again, Monday evening.

    Earlier, the index and tree would goof around when refreshed, with a
    thread claiming one post but showing many and vice-versa.

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech

    Since Google archive all of RBT back to the crack of doom (somewhere in
    the early '90's), it can take a while to sort out a problem.

    For what we pay them (it's free), we get a very nice bargain.

    But there are still a few problems--I have to supply a subject for this
    thread, even though I'm replying to your original post.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel

    Aha! It shows up in a few seconds, though divorced from the original
    thread "Can't reply--isng Google--too busy."

    (Probably a typo for "using Google".)

    CF

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    <[email hidden]>,

    Quoted message said:

    Path: newssvr21.news.prodigy.com!newsdbm04.news.prodigy.com!newsdst01.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.com!newscon04.news.prodigy.net!prodigy.net!newshub.sdsu.edu!postnews.google.com!m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
    From: [email hidden]
    Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech
    Subject: Google Groups up again
    Date: 25 Sep 2006 18:59:58 -0700
    Organization: http://groups.google.com
    Lines: 21
    Message-ID: <[email hidden]>
    NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.9.251.8
    Mime-Version: 1.0
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
    X-Trace: posting.google.com 1159236004 8114 127.0.0.1 (26 Sep 2006 02:00:04 GMT)
    X-Complaints-To: [email hidden]
    NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2006 02:00:04 +0000 (UTC)
    User-Agent: G2/1.0
    X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98),gzip(gfe),gzip(gfe)
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    Injection-Info: m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com; posting-host=24.9.251.8;
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    Xref: prodigy.net rec.bicycles.tech:686812

    Dear Peter,

    Google seems to have things re-indexed again, Monday evening.

    Earlier, the index and tree would goof around when refreshed, with a
    thread claiming one post but showing many and vice-versa.

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech

    Since Google archive all of RBT back to the crack of doom (somewhere in
    the early '90's), it can take a while to sort out a problem.

    For what we pay them (it's free), we get a very nice bargain.

    But there are still a few problems--I have to supply a subject for this
    thread, even though I'm replying to your original post.

    They still are not writing References: headers.

    --
    Michael Press

  4. Quoted message said:

    Dear Peter,

    Google seems to have things re-indexed again, Monday evening.

    Earlier, the index and tree would goof around when refreshed, with a
    thread claiming one post but showing many and vice-versa.

    http://groups.google.com/group/rec.bicycles.tech

    Since Google archive all of RBT back to the crack of doom (somewhere in
    the early '90's), it can take a while to sort out a problem.

    For what we pay them (it's free), we get a very nice bargain.

    But there are still a few problems--I have to supply a subject for this
    thread, even though I'm replying to your original post.

    Cheers,

    Carl Fogel


    Warning: This may be too retro even for r.b.t.

    Anybody ever consider connecting to a usenet server or are most people
    posting from behind a firewall at work that blocks port 119? 😉

    Marcus

  5. Marcus Coles said:


    Warning: This may be too retro even for r.b.t.

    Anybody ever consider connecting to a usenet server or are most people
    posting from behind a firewall at work that blocks port 119? 😉

    That's what ssh is for.

    --
    Dane Buson - [email hidden]
    The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings;
    the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery.
    -- Churchill

  6. Marcus Coles said:

    Warning: This may be too retro even for r.b.t.

    Anybody ever consider connecting to a usenet server or are most people
    posting from behind a firewall at work that blocks port 119? 😉

    Google Groups has its value. It's quick-n-dirty, and
    once you get used to its quirks it's almost usable.

    But, as you may notice, I've just reactivated rbt on
    my home Usenet server (which proxies through Easynews
    in a way that even the retro would be scared to
    contemplate).

    I've had discussions with Google's Usenet maintainers
    before. I think it's one of their do-it-yourself-
    on-company-time projects, not an official thing. Googlers
    get 20% of their work time to do side projects. The idea
    is, that's how new ideas get tried, and maybe a
    side project will be picked up as a revenue project.
    But clearly the people who've tasked themselves with caring
    about Google Groups, or at least the Usenet portion of it,
    have long since decided it isn't worth their attention,
    even when it breaks.

    --Blair

  7. Dane Buson said:
    Marcus Coles said:

    Warning: This may be too retro even for r.b.t.

    Anybody ever consider connecting to a usenet server or are most people
    posting from behind a firewall at work that blocks port 119? 😉

    That's what ssh is for.

    What if you have an http proxy only?

    Greg

    --
    "All my time I spent in heaven
    Revelries of dance and wine
    Waking to the sound of laughter
    Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

  8. On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 23:36:12 -0700, "G.T." <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:


    What if you have an http proxy only?

    a. contact whatever corporate moron set up this draconian policy and
    do a Sam Kenneson on him. Be sure to mention Stalin and [censored].

    b. find a new job somewhere else

    Please note that (a) sometimes results in application of (b).

    Quoted message said:

    "All my time I spent in heaven
    Revelries of dance and wine
    Waking to the sound of laughter
    Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

    Hey, this is kind of the bizarro world version of my own adopted
    philosophy 'When I die I'll go to heaven, 'cause I've spent my time in
    Hell" and "'scuse me, while I curse the sky"!

  9. G.T. said:
    Dane Buson said:
    Marcus Coles said:

    Warning: This may be too retro even for r.b.t.

    Anybody ever consider connecting to a usenet server or are most people
    posting from behind a firewall at work that blocks port 119? 😉

    That's what ssh is for.

    What if you have an http proxy only?

    http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

    Fill in the hostname and port you want to go to.

    Connection->Proxy->Proxy Basics

    Type: HTTP

    Fill in your proxy host/port (login/pw if needed) and away you go.

    In the event your proxy will only let you go to port 80 or 443, you may
    have to do port forwarding or some such on the destination end.

    --
    Dane Buson - [email hidden]
    "2) Users don't know what they really want, but they know for
    certain what they don't want."
    - Manubay's Laws for Programmers

  10. Dane Buson said:
    G.T. said:
    Dane Buson said:

    Marcus Coles <[email hidden]> wrote:

    >Warning: This may be too retro even for r.b.t.
    >
    >Anybody ever consider connecting to a usenet server or are most people
    >posting from behind a firewall at work that blocks port 119? 😉

    That's what ssh is for.

    What if you have an http proxy only?

    http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

    Fill in the hostname and port you want to go to.

    Connection->Proxy->Proxy Basics

    Type: HTTP

    Fill in your proxy host/port (login/pw if needed) and away you go.

    In the event your proxy will only let you go to port 80 or 443, you may
    have to do port forwarding or some such on the destination end.

    Oh, I have it all worked out, thankfully we do have a telnet proxy so I
    just need to run ssh on port 23. The point is this stuff is not
    trivial, and you need your own box out on the Internet or a good shell
    account somewhere.

    I got sick of Deja/Google so I was going to get Usenet access at work
    one way or another even if it meant getting a DSL line in my office.

    Greg

    --
    "All my time I spent in heaven
    Revelries of dance and wine
    Waking to the sound of laughter
    Up I'd rise and kiss the sky" - The Mekons

  11. G.T. said:
    Dane Buson said:
    G.T. said:


    What if you have an http proxy only?

    http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/download.html

    <snip>

    In the event your proxy will only let you go to port 80 or 443, you may
    have to do port forwarding or some such on the destination end.

    Oh, I have it all worked out, thankfully we do have a telnet proxy so I
    just need to run ssh on port 23. The point is this stuff is not
    trivial, and you need your own box out on the Internet or a good shell
    account somewhere.

    Well, I assumed we had descended into a propeller-head discussion zone.

    Quoted message said:


    I got sick of Deja/Google so I was going to get Usenet access at work
    one way or another even if it meant getting a DSL line in my office.

    *Nod* They could be worse I suppose, but they don't really match up to
    a newsreader specific program. Goodness knows I've grown rather
    attached to my newsreader of choice (tin). Especially since I've kicked
    the source into shape to remove some personal annoyances.

    The main one being the change of rot13 toggling from 'd' to '%'. Grrrrr.

    --
    Dane Buson - [email hidden]
    "There is this special biologist word we use for 'stable'.
    It is 'dead'." - Jack Cohen

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