"goofy footed" and octalink

<< anyhow, is this failure more common where people drive on the left side of
the road? when restarting from stop lights, I always have my right foot
forward, because the left foot is on the kerb >><BR><BR>

Think it comes from surfing, where right foot forward is 'goofy footed'.
Octalink fails on MTBs much more, when jumping and landing, with the crank
facing aft, more likely to be killed. Also heard of some problems with track
cranks and octalink, where the cranks aren't always pushed forward.

Peter Chisholm
Vecchio's Bicicletteria
1833 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO, 80302
(303)440-3535
http://www.vecchios.com
"Ruote convenzionali costruite eccezionalmente bene"

someone said:

Jobst was referring to the whole 'right foot forward' position as
goofy- footed a few weeks ago (in reference to octalink failure).
The left crank on my s-works (octalink) is failing in exactly this
mode, and I do stand with my right foot forward.

Quoted message said:

I am wondering if the name simply reflects anti-left-handed
prejudice; for many ball sports involving right hands, the left foot
is forward.

Quoted message said:

Anyhow, is this failure more common where people drive on the left
side of the road? When restarting from stop lights, I always have
my right foot forward, because the left foot is on the kerb.

I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side of
the bicycle and of course we have right hand traffic as well. The
reason for stating with the right foot on the forward pedal is that it
is a longer reach to the street on the off side. These people all
push of with the right foot on the pedal and the fewest of them are
goofy footed.

I vote for no correlation although there is a strong correlation
between failing octalink and goofyfootedness.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Jobst said:

I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side of
the bicycle

Right, the clean side.

Quoted message said:

and of course we have right hand traffic as well. The
reason for stating with the right foot on the forward pedal is that it
is a longer reach to the street on the off side. These people all
push of with the right foot on the pedal and the fewest of them are
goofy footed.

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I used to usse
toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful foot clipped in
while stationary, when you could give the task as much attention as it
might require. Then you start up and clip in your more skilful foot
while underway.

My wife has always been backwards, starting out pushing on her right
foot. This took a lot of adjustment to enable us to ride a tandem together.

I don't know if she's a goofy-footed coaster or not, since I can't
remember the last time she was on a freewheeling bike.

Speaking of Goofy...ever notice that Goofy is a biped, capable of
speach, while Pluto is clearly a dog...but their faces are identical
except for pigmentation? What's with that? Seems kinda goofy...

Sheldon "Deep Thoughts" Brown
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| as being unwilling to learn. |
| -- Benjamin Franklin |
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Quoted message said:

someone said:

Jobst was referring to the whole 'right foot forward' position as
goofy- footed a few weeks ago (in reference to octalink failure).
The left crank on my s-works (octalink) is failing in exactly this
mode, and I do stand with my right foot forward.

Quoted message said:

I am wondering if the name simply reflects anti-left-handed
prejudice; for many ball sports involving right hands, the left foot
is forward.

Quoted message said:

Anyhow, is this failure more common where people drive on the left
side of the road? When restarting from stop lights, I always have
my right foot forward, because the left foot is on the kerb.

I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side of
the bicycle and of course we have right hand traffic as well. The
reason for stating with the right foot on the forward pedal is that it
is a longer reach to the street on the off side. These people all
push of with the right foot on the pedal and the fewest of them are
goofy footed.

I vote for no correlation although there is a strong correlation
between failing octalink and goofyfootedness.

please post links to failing octalink. thanks.

Quoted message said:

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

Sheldon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in
news:[email hidden]:

Quoted message said:

Jobst said:

I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side
of the bicycle

Right, the clean side.

I wasn't referring to dismounting, which only happens once per ride
(hopefully!).

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

and of course we have right hand traffic as well. The
reason for stating with the right foot on the forward pedal is that
it is a longer reach to the street on the off side. These people all
push of with the right foot on the pedal and the fewest of them are
goofy footed.

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I used to
usse toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful foot
clipped in while stationary, when you could give the task as much
attention as it might require. Then you start up and clip in your
more skilful foot while underway.

Aye, but you're both from the USA. At traffic lights, I only ever unclip
my left because that is the side which is usually higher; one of my
unclipping accidents involved stopping at the lights while leaving my right
foot clipped in, leaning over to see something, and being sufficiently top-
heavy to fall over in front of traffic (which was thankfully stopped).

How difficult is it to use toe clips? I went straight from flats to SPD.

--
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(or rotate by -4)

Sheldon Brown said:

Jobst said:

I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side of
the bicycle

Right, the clean side.

Quoted message said:

and of course we have right hand traffic as well. The
reason for stating with the right foot on the forward pedal is that it
is a longer reach to the street on the off side. These people all
push of with the right foot on the pedal and the fewest of them are
goofy footed.

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I used to usse
toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful foot clipped in
while stationary, when you could give the task as much attention as it
might require. Then you start up and clip in your more skilful foot
while underway.

My wife has always been backwards, starting out pushing on her right
foot. This took a lot of adjustment to enable us to ride a tandem together.

I don't know if she's a goofy-footed coaster or not, since I can't
remember the last time she was on a freewheeling bike.

Speaking of Goofy...ever notice that Goofy is a biped, capable of
speach, while Pluto is clearly a dog...but their faces are identical
except for pigmentation? What's with that? Seems kinda goofy...

Sheldon "Deep Thoughts" Brown
+-------------------------------------------+
| Being ignorant is not so much a shame |
| as being unwilling to learn. |
| -- Benjamin Franklin |
+-------------------------------------------+
Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

Dear Sheldon,

The Disney dogs shared more than just faces.

Both Goofy's speech and Pluto's less articulate noises came
from the same fellow, Vance "Pinto" Colvig:

http://shopping.yahoo.com/p:Pinto%20Colvig:1927125476:page=biography

Sincerely,

Bozo the Clown

I said:

Quoted message said:

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I used to
usse toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful foot
clipped in while stationary, when you could give the task as much
attention as it might require. Then you start up and clip in your
more skilful foot while underway.

qtq said:

when restarting from stop lights, I always have my right foot
forward, because the left foot is on the kerb.

Aye, but you're both from the USA. At traffic lights, I only ever unclip
my left because that is the side which is usually higher;

Due to crowned roads, the left side is usually higher in the U.S.

I am rarely close enough to the curb/kerb to put a foot on it. In U.S.
traffic it is usually dangerous to be that far right unless you are
preparing to make a right turn.

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How difficult is it to use toe clips? I went straight from flats to SPD.

Learning to use toe clips is MUCH harder than learning to use SPDs.
Eventually it becomes pretty automatic, but it takes a lot longer for
this to happen.

Sheldon "Used Toe Clips For 35 Years" Brown
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| Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. |
| -- Benjamin Franklin |
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Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

Sheldon Brown said:

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed)

It's not quite that straight forward, and being right handed is no guarantee for being right footed. Left-handedness runs at about 10 % of the population while goofy-footedness is at about 25%.

"Sheldon Brown" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

I said:

Quoted message said:

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is

'cause I'm

Quoted message said:

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right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I

used to

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usse toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful

foot

Quoted message said:

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clipped in while stationary, when you could give the task as

much

Quoted message said:

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attention as it might require. Then you start up and clip in

your

Quoted message said:

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more skilful foot while underway.

qtq said:

when restarting from stop lights, I always have my right

foot

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

forward, because the left foot is on the kerb.

Aye, but you're both from the USA. At traffic lights, I only

ever unclip

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

my left because that is the side which is usually higher;

Due to crowned roads, the left side is usually higher in the

U.S.

Quoted message said:

I am rarely close enough to the curb/kerb to put a foot on it.

In U.S.

Quoted message said:

traffic it is usually dangerous to be that far right unless you

are

Quoted message said:

preparing to make a right turn.

Quoted message said:

How difficult is it to use toe clips? I went straight from

flats to SPD.

Quoted message said:

Learning to use toe clips is MUCH harder than learning to use

SPDs.

Quoted message said:

Eventually it becomes pretty automatic, but it takes a lot

longer for

Quoted message said:

this to happen.

Although those teeny one-sided SPD pedals are way harder than toe
clips. I do miss that tutti pack wobble at the beginning of
races when everyone reached down to tighten their toe straps. --
Jay Beattie.

dabac said:

Sheldon Brown said:

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed)

It's not quite that straight forward, and being right handed is no
guarantee for being right footed. Left-handedness runs at about 10 %
of the population while goofy-footedness is at about 25%.

Where do these stats come from? At least the goofy-footedness part?

I mount from the left side, power out with the left foot after 180 degrees,
but do tricks and bunnyhop with my right foot forward.

--
Phil, Squid-in-Training

Phil said:

dabac said:

Sheldon Brown said:

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed)

It's not quite that straight forward, and being right handed is no
guarantee for being right footed. Left-handedness runs at about 10 %
of the population while goofy-footedness is at about 25%.

Where do these stats come from? At least the goofy-footedness part?

Interestingly, lots of people study handedness and footedness and
lateralization of the body in general. Although there are differences
based on where in the world one lives, 10% left handed and 75% left
footed is about right. Also, being "crossed" is more common among
left handers.

Using "left footed" and "footedness" on PubMed turns up lots of stuff.

Squid-in-Training said:

dabac said:

Sheldon Brown said:

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed)

It's not quite that straight forward, and being right handed is no
guarantee for being right footed. Left-handedness runs at about 10 %
of the population while goofy-footedness is at about 25%.

Where do these stats come from? At least the goofy-footedness part?

I mount from the left side, power out with the left foot after 180 degrees,
but do tricks and bunnyhop with my right foot forward.

Dear Phil,

As has been discussed, your condition is nothing to be
ashamed of:

http://tinyurl.com/6phvt

You are more to be pitied by right-thinking people than
censured.

Console yourself that your wavering vote makes you
attractive to both parties at times like these.

Carl Fogel

Jim Smith <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Phil said:

dabac said:

Sheldon Brown Wrote:
>
>
> I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
> right footed (goes with being right handed)

It's not quite that straight forward, and being right handed is no
guarantee for being right footed. Left-handedness runs at about 10 %
of the population while goofy-footedness is at about 25%.

Where do these stats come from? At least the goofy-footedness part?

Interestingly, lots of people study handedness and footedness and
lateralization of the body in general. Although there are differences
based on where in the world one lives, 10% left handed and 75% left
footed is about right. Also, being "crossed" is more common among
left handers.

Using "left footed" and "footedness" on PubMed turns up lots of stuff.

When I was a kid learning to water ski, my dad did a simple test.
Stand straight up, hands and your side, and unexpectedly pushed me in
the chest. The leg you put behind you first is your "dominant" foot,
and the one to place as the rear leg on a single ski. Apparently it's
common practice because years later I saw another guy do the exact
same thing to someone he was teaching. Not sure if there's any
science there, but as a wife's tale it has some reach.

-a

You guys got me confused now...

First of all I thought the term "Goofy Foot" only applied to surfing,
skateboarding or snowboarding?
When standing on a board, regular would be left foot in front, and "Goofy
Foot" would be right foot in front.
Ask anyone who boards which is correct? And their answer would be "Whichever
feels right!"

Ok, now here's where I get confused:
If one were to apply this to cycling, right foot is regular, and left foot
is goofy foot? (opposite)
So which is correct? Whichever feels right.

I remember in a game of the 1961 World Series , Mickey Mantle hit a home
run batting right handed, and a few innings later, he hit a home run batting
left handed. After the game a news reporter asked Yogi Berra his comments on
Mantle hitting a home runs from both sides of the plate? Yogi's comment:
"That Mick, he's so amphibious!"

-tom the ambidextrous cyclist.

Phil said:

Where do these stats come from? At least the goofy-footedness part?

Back in the days when snowboarding in general, and alpine snowboarding in particular was still wildly experimental there used to be assymetrical boards available, with roughly 25% being made for goofy riders. These days development in technique and technology have done away with the need for assymetrical boards, much to the relief of manufacturers and shops.

Sheldon Brown <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

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I doubt it. Most riders that I know dismount on the non-chain side of
the bicycle

Quoted message said:

Right, the clean side.

Back when I raced having chain grease on your right calf was called
"Cat IV marks" (do they call them Cat V marks now?).

Quoted message said:

I've always started pushing with my left foot. Reason is 'cause I'm
right footed (goes with being right handed) and back when I used to usse
toke lips, the idea was always to get the less skilful foot clipped in
while stationary, when you could give the task as much attention as it
might require. Then you start up and clip in your more skilful foot
while underway.

I do the same thing and I have many more miles on toe clips and straps
than on clipless pedals. Getting into pedals still requires some skill
so it still makes sense to me to start with my left foot already
clipped in. I notice on rides that I'm now in the extreme minority.

Quoted message said:

I don't know if she's a goofy-footed coaster or not, since I can't
remember the last time she was on a freewheeling bike.

I know that I always bunny-hop and track stand with my left foot
forward so I think that makes me normal footed.

Quoted message said:

Speaking of Goofy...ever notice that Goofy is a biped, capable of
speach, while Pluto is clearly a dog...but their faces are identical
except for pigmentation? What's with that? Seems kinda goofy...

It has puzzled me a long time why Disney choose to include both an
anthropomorphic and normal dog. Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Huey, Dewey,
and Louie all walk upright, have arms and talk. If in this world all
animals act like people you would expect Goofy but Pluto is the odd
dog out.

Quoted message said:

Sheldon "Deep Thoughts" Brown

The thing I've been pondering lately is zebras. Is the zebra a black
animal with white stripes or a white animal with black stripes? In
a way I don't want to know as I've been using this as a rhetorical
question for when there is no clear answer to a question.

Quoted message said:

+-------------------------------------------+
| Being ignorant is not so much a shame |
| as being unwilling to learn. |
| -- Benjamin Franklin |
+-------------------------------------------+
Harris Cyclery, West Newton, Massachusetts
Phone 617-244-9772 FAX 617-244-1041
http://harriscyclery.com
Hard-to-find parts shipped Worldwide
http://captainbike.com http://sheldonbrown.com

Bruce Jackson

On 30 Sep 2004 08:02:36 -0700, [email hidden] (Bruce
Jackson) wrote:

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The thing I've been pondering lately is zebras. Is the zebra a black
animal with white stripes or a white animal with black stripes? In
a way I don't want to know as I've been using this as a rhetorical
question for when there is no clear answer to a question.

Quoted message said:

Bruce Jackson

Dear Bruce,

This is not the place to ask questions that you do not want
answered.

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Okay, you asked for it.

A zebra is a black animal with white stripes.

Occasionally, you get a zebra whose white stripes fail to
form properly and are dashed, white dots and blotches
instead of solid white stripes.

See Stephen Jay Gould's "Hen's Teeth and Horse's Toes," the
last paragraph of Chapter 29, "How the Zebra Gets Its
Stripes."

Basset hounds are trickier to explain, being white, black,
and brown, but Gould died before completing his magnum opus
on their coloring.

Carl Fogel

Bruce Jackson said:

The thing I've been pondering lately is zebras. Is the zebra a
black animal with white stripes or a white animal with black
stripes? In a way I don't want to know as I've been using this as a
rhetorical question for when there is no clear answer to a question.

The problem arises from your question. In fact the Zebra is neither,
it is a black and white striped animal whereas the Polar Bear is a
white haired black skinned mammal.

http://www.chaffeezoo.org/animals/zebra.html
http://www.chaffeezoo.org/animals/polarBear.html

I hope that didn't ruin your rhetorical question.

Jobst Brandt
[email hidden]

On 30 Sep 2004 08:02:36 -0700 [email hidden] (Bruce Jackson)

Quoted message said:

The thing I've been pondering lately is zebras. Is the zebra a black
animal with white stripes or a white animal with black stripes? In
a way I don't want to know as I've been using this as a rhetorical
question for when there is no clear answer to a question.

Steven Gould actually answered this in one of his books. You're safe,
however. I don't remember the answer or which book.

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Jim Adney [email hidden]
Madison, WI 53711 USA
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