Goodbye and thanks for everything

in message <1096749018.j3pQ6PmWjRUVcHjqVOU3Gg@teranews>, wheelsgoround

(') said:

I've been informed, educated and entertained but the time has come to
say goodbye.

Many thanks to those who have contributed positively to this
newsgroup.

May we ask why? We've now lost two extremely useful contributors in two
days and that seems to me an unacceptable rate of attrition. Personally
since Sandy announced his similar intention last night I have very
carefully not posted anything to flamewars, made any silly quips, or
any off-topic posts.

If people are finding the level of buffoonery on the group (to which I
acknowledge I've been probably _the_ major contributor) then I'm
perfectly happy to _try_ to restrict myself to on-topic, positive
comments here, and keep my instinct for buffoonery for other places.

In summary, Ian, I hope you won't leave, and if a little less heckling
from the cheap seats would change your decision I for one will
contribute.

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Simon Brooke said:

May we ask why? We've now lost two extremely useful contributors in two
days and that seems to me an unacceptable rate of attrition.

I subscribe to a private members-only newsgroup hosted on someone's home
PC (it was originally about PC games, but has developed into something
of a general chat forum) and even there we get the occasional member
flouncing out of the door. It just happens, and most of them come back
eventually.

Zog The Undeniable said:

Simon Brooke said:

May we ask why? We've now lost two extremely useful contributors in two
days and that seems to me an unacceptable rate of attrition.

I subscribe to a private members-only newsgroup hosted on someone's home
PC (it was originally about PC games, but has developed into something
of a general chat forum) and even there we get the occasional member
flouncing out of the door. It just happens, and most of them come back
eventually.

Besides. Most people who actually do leave a group, usually just drop out.
In my experience, people who announce their intention to quit a group and
who 'flounce' out the door. Can be pretty much well expected to be still
reading the group (yes, that's you Wheelsgoround) to see what effect their
Am. Dram. performance has had. Besides. Now, what was that phrase? Ah, yes.
[censored] 'em if they can't take a joke. The attention seeking drama queens.
;-)

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Zog The Undeniable wrote:

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Besides. Most people who actually do leave a group, usually just drop out.
In my experience, people who announce their intention to quit a group and
who 'flounce' out the door. Can be pretty much well expected to be still
reading the group (yes, that's you Wheelsgoround) to see what effect their
Am. Dram. performance has had.

Not in my case. I left because some people were verbally abusing me and I
thought why should I have to put up with it, after all the article scanning
I did and so on. I never read the group again (honestly) until someone said
that my whereabouts were being queried and I was aware of a thread to that
effect when googling, but I was too embarrassed to read it and have not read
it even now.

I realised that I was probably being too thin skinned about the abuse and
besides I missed the people here, all of my workmates are car drivers and I
had nobody to talk bikes with, so I came back.

--
Simon M.

Simon Mason vaguely muttered something like ...

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Not in my case. I left because some people were verbally abusing me and I
thought why should I have to put up with it, after all the article
scanning I did and so on. I never read the group again (honestly) until
someone said that my whereabouts were being queried and I was aware of a
thread to that effect when googling, but I was too embarrassed to read it
and have not read it even now.

As a part of that original thread where you left, and being one of those who
disagreed with what you posted, I think it has to be said that you weren't
being abused at all, at least, not in my opinion. Anything I posted I would
have also said face to face ...

I must admit I thought your reaction was a tad Am Dram to say the least, and
I was sorry to see you go, but that's always an option with Usenet ...

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I realised that I was probably being too thin skinned about the abuse

I sincerely believe it wasn't abuse you got and if you think it was then you
really do need a thicker skin, maybe.

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Paul ...

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"A [censored] is a [censored], no matter what mode of transport they're using."

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I must admit I thought your reaction was a tad Am Dram to say the least,
and
I was sorry to see you go, but that's always an option with Usenet ...

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I realised that I was probably being too thin skinned about the abuse

I sincerely believe it wasn't abuse you got and if you think it was then
you
really do need a thicker skin, maybe.

Perhaps, but being called a "patronising git" is bordering on verbal abuse
in my book, but maybe not to others. It's certainly stronger than anything
that has caused wheelsgoround and Sandy to get the hump!
Anyway, doesn't matter really :-)

--
Simon M.

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I must admit I thought your reaction was a tad Am Dram to say the least,
and
I was sorry to see you go, but that's always an option with Usenet ...

Quoted message said:

I realised that I was probably being too thin skinned about the abuse

I sincerely believe it wasn't abuse you got and if you think it was then
you
really do need a thicker skin, maybe.

Perhaps, but being called a "patronising git" is bordering on verbal abuse
in my book, but maybe not to others.

It's probably less than I'd have said if we had been conversing normally ..
😉

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It's certainly stronger than anything
that has caused wheelsgoround and Sandy to get the hump!

Maybe. I can't understand those either.

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Anyway, doesn't matter really :-)

OK, no worries .. 😉

--
Paul ...

(8(|) Homer Rules !!!

"A [censored] is a [censored], no matter what mode of transport they're using."

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I sincerely believe it wasn't abuse you got and if you think it was
then you really do need a thicker skin, maybe.

Perhaps, but being called a "patronising git" is bordering on verbal
abuse in my book, but maybe not to others.

Ah, come on now. I have been called a 'patronising git' on this very
group this very week. I was amused. It was true - I /was/ being a
patronising git - something I pride myself I'm very good at.

Usenet is, inevitably, a bit like a pub, and from time to time it's a
fairly rowdy pub. Indeed, by Usenet standards this particular froup is
mostly fairly quiet and refined. And if you don't like what people say
you can always killfile them and then you don't have to listen to then
- Juliette cheerfully boasts to having 'about 120' people in her
killfile at any given time.

As far as I know I've never been in it, but I'm sure I am in a lot of
peoples.

--
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;; Semper in faecibus sumus, sole profundum variat.

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Anyway, doesn't matter really :-)

OK, no worries .. 😉

All together now: ahhhhhhhhh.

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Anyway, doesn't matter really :-)

OK, no worries .. 😉

All together now: ahhhhhhhhh.

Group hug!!! Group hug!!!

Cheers, helen s

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Group hug!!! Group hug!!!

Are we back in the Shed again?

Guy
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Group hug!!! Group hug!!!

Are we back in the Shed again?

Guy

I wish it to be known that although I have no doubt Guy is a thoroughly nice
chap, I have never hugged him, and most certainly not in the shed and
especially not at the back of the sheds.

Cheers, helen s ;-)

p.s. On topic - Nathan did his first open 25-mile time trial today and did
1:07:25, which is not bad for his first attempt.

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dirtylitterboxofferingstospammers said:

p.s. On topic - Nathan did his first open 25-mile time trial today and did
1:07:25, which is not bad for his first attempt.

Course? winner? position?

Or is it that times *have* become most important ;-)

John B

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Course? winner? position?

The one outside Bungay.

Winner was an adult. Position, not last for sure, but he was the only juvenile
in the entire field. As there are very few time trials up here where the
juveniles or juniors are given prizes in their own right, we rarely take notice
of positions or overall winners, as they are competing aginst adults.

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Or is it that times *have* become most important ;-)

(slight offence taken) no - not at all. As far as I am concerned the important
things are that 1. He enjoys himself and 2. He does the best he can on the day
for the conditions, irrespective of what anyone else does. And of course, with
regard to the entire thing, he rides safely. I didn't have a watch on whilst
observing him yesterday, so I hadn't a clue as to the time he was doing whilst
on the course, but it was clear that he was *trying* which is all I can ask of
him. And Nathan has noticed a big increase in his level of fitness, as well as
enjoying it, which gives him encouragement to continue. That and when he's done
well by trying his best, my purse gets emptied of change which he puts in his
Cervelo P3 and R2.5 carbon fund... The fund will be around for a *loooooong
time* before it gets to a level where he can seriously think about those bikes!

Cheers, helen s

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Course? winner? position?

The one outside Bungay.

Winner was an adult. Position, not last for sure, but he was the only juvenile
in the entire field. As there are very few time trials up here where the
juveniles or juniors are given prizes in their own right, we rarely take notice
of positions or overall winners, as they are competing aginst adults.

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Or is it that times *have* become most important ;-)

(slight offence taken) no - not at all. As far as I am concerned the important
things are that 1. He enjoys himself and 2. He does the best he can on the day
for the conditions, irrespective of what anyone else does.

Speaking of conditions, was the weather pretty rotten in your neck of
the woods too yesterday? If so, a shade under 1 hr 8min is definitely
good going for a first attempt!

David E. Belcher

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Speaking of conditions, was the weather pretty rotten in your neck of
the woods too yesterday? If so, a shade under 1 hr 8min is definitely
good going for a first attempt!

David E. Belcher

The weather was dull, *cold & damp*. No rain thankfully. Little wind, which was
good in the sense there was no nasty headwind, it also meant there was no
tailwind assist, so it was work, work, work the whole way and the course had 8
roundabouts on it to negotiate, which slows matters down. I had on my thermals
under the main clothes & I was wearing a fleece and the damp cold still got
through to me :-(

I gave Nathan's legs a good massage before the event & he did a warm-up on the
backroads by the course, so he wasn't starting off cold. I do tend to nag,
err.. encourage him to do a warm-up, and bemoan him with tales of injury to
muscles if he doesn't do a proper warm-up when it's cold & damp.

Thankfully, in time trialling he's found a sport he enjoys, apparently even
when he's totally cream-crackered after a hard ride. The key really is
*enjoyment*. The day he stops enjoying it, is the day he stops doing it.

Cheers, helen s

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Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<42q532-

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Ah, come on now. I have been called a 'patronising git' on this very
group this very week. I was amused. It was true - I /was/ being a
patronising git - something I pride myself I'm very good at.

You mean you've never had a moment when you think "bollox to this" and
over react over some trivial thing? I admire your self discipline ;-)

--
Simon M

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Mason (') said:

Simon Brooke <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<42q532-

Quoted message said:

Ah, come on now. I have been called a 'patronising git' on this very
group this very week. I was amused. It was true - I /was/ being a
patronising git - something I pride myself I'm very good at.

You mean you've never had a moment when you think "bollox to this" and
over react over some trivial thing? I admire your self discipline ;-)

To be honest, no; but it isn't self discipline, it's mainly no longer
taking anything very seriously with a side order of self confidence.
I admit I was annoyed some while back when Jobst Brandt accused me of
faking the results of an experiment, but I find a little bit of
ridicule repays a great deal of offence.

I've unsubscribed from Usenet groups because I was bored of them, or
because I was no longer doing anything useful in the field, but not
because I was [censored] with people.

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;; For in much wisdom is much grief; and he that increaseth
;; knowledge increaseth sorrow.." - Ecclesiastes 1:18

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You mean you've never had a moment when you think "bollox to this" and
over react over some trivial thing? I admire your self discipline ;-)

To be honest, no; but it isn't self discipline, it's mainly no longer
taking anything very seriously with a side order of self confidence.
I admit I was annoyed some while back when Jobst Brandt accused me of
faking the results of an experiment, but I find a little bit of
ridicule repays a great deal of offence.

I've unsubscribed from Usenet groups because I was bored of them, or
because I was no longer doing anything useful in the field, but not
because I was [censored] with people.

Maybe you've taught me something there then :-)
--
Simon