Good Six-Bolt Disc Hub

On 15 Sep 2006 08:44:29 -0700, "Jay Beattie"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

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Quoted message said:

Weight is not a concern. I am
more concerned in durability and the quality of the seals for riding in
heavy rain. I am open to other brands. -- Jay Beattie.

Dear Jay,

If you're truly open to other brands, weight is not a concern, and the
durability and quality of the seal is what matters, then the obvious
solution is . . .

http://www.oceanoasis.org/fieldguide/miro-ang.html

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

If you're truly open to other brands, weight is not a concern, and the
durability and quality of the seal is what matters, then the obvious
solution is . . .

http://www.oceanoasis.org/fieldguide/miro-ang.html

Yeah, but... have you every tried to keep a saddle on one of them?

Jeff

Jay Beattie said:

The OEM hubs that came on my Cannondale cross bike are [censored], and I want
to replace them with something decent but not too expensive (135mm
spacing). Universal has several six bolt Shimano (475 Deore, 525 Deore
and 756 XT). The XT are twice as much as the Deore. Does anyone know
if there is a meaningful difference. Weight is not a concern. I am
more concerned in durability and the quality of the seals for riding in
heavy rain. I am open to other brands. -- Jay Beattie.

This is what I'm riding on my CrossCheck these days:

http://www.halorims.com/HaloNew/spindocrear.htm

It's available in 32, 36, and *48*. It's uses sealed cartridge
bearings, so *theoretically* it should be okay for heavy rain use. I'll
tell you after this winter.

The Gusset Jury is another alternative if you don't mind a solid axle.

Here's a US shop that sells the Spin Docter:

http://www.universalcycles.com/shopping/product_details.php?id=12483&category=2820

--
Dane Buson - [email hidden]
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system, because we can't fix it if it breaks -- nobody can.'"

"TCP/IP is OK if you've got a little informal club, and it doesn't make
any difference if it takes a while to fix it."
-- Ken Olson, in Digital News, 1988

Jay Beattie said:

The OEM hubs that came on my Cannondale cross bike are [censored], and I want
to replace them with something decent but not too expensive (135mm
spacing). Universal has several six bolt Shimano (475 Deore, 525 Deore
and 756 XT). The XT are twice as much as the Deore. Does anyone know
if there is a meaningful difference. Weight is not a concern. I am
more concerned in durability and the quality of the seals for riding in
heavy rain. I am open to other brands.

Deore is just fine. AFAIK, Deore gets the same guts as XT, including
seals.

DT Hugi makes good hubs, and a Centerlock to ISO 6-bolt converter.

HTH,

E.P. "XT on both of my 135mm spaced bikes"

Ed Pirrero said:

Jay Beattie said:

The OEM hubs that came on my Cannondale cross bike are [censored], and I want
to replace them with something decent but not too expensive (135mm
spacing). Universal has several six bolt Shimano (475 Deore, 525 Deore
and 756 XT). The XT are twice as much as the Deore. Does anyone know
if there is a meaningful difference. Weight is not a concern. I am
more concerned in durability and the quality of the seals for riding in
heavy rain. I am open to other brands.

Deore is just fine. AFAIK, Deore gets the same guts as XT, including
seals.

They don't. 6-bolt Deore is down a left-side contact seal over 6-bolt
XT. Deore actually has a few differences in guts across the line, but I
think the only one that has a seal there is the bizarre M555.

http://bike.shimano.com/media/cycling/techdocs/en/bikecomponents/FH/EV-FH-M530-2461B_v1_m56577569830578031.pdf

http://hallman.msdesign.fi/pdf/takanapa/FH-M525.pdf
http://hallman.msdesign.fi/pdf/takanapa/FH-M555.pdf
http://bike.shimano.com/media/cycling/techdocs/en/bikecomponents/FH/EV-fh-m756_v1_m56577569830539265.pdf

I think the inner seal does indeed do some good in terms of preventing
water contamination. Either will work indefinitely, it just depends on
how often you want to overhaul.

Ed Pirrero said:

Jay Beattie said:

The OEM hubs that came on my Cannondale cross bike are [censored], and I want
to replace them with something decent but not too expensive (135mm
spacing). Universal has several six bolt Shimano (475 Deore, 525 Deore
and 756 XT). The XT are twice as much as the Deore. Does anyone know
if there is a meaningful difference. Weight is not a concern. I am
more concerned in durability and the quality of the seals for riding in
heavy rain. I am open to other brands.

Deore is just fine. AFAIK, Deore gets the same guts as XT, including
seals.

They don't. 6-bolt Deore is down a left-side contact seal over 6-bolt
XT. Deore actually has a few differences in guts across the line, but I
think the only one that has a seal there is the bizarre M555.

http://bike.shimano.com/media/cycling/techdocs/en/bikecomponents/FH/EV-FH-M530-2461B_v1_m56577569830578031.pdf

http://hallman.msdesign.fi/pdf/takanapa/FH-M525.pdf
http://hallman.msdesign.fi/pdf/takanapa/FH-M555.pdf
http://bike.shimano.com/media/cycling/techdocs/en/bikecomponents/FH/EV-fh-m756_v1_m56577569830539265.pdf

I think the inner seal does indeed do some good in terms of preventing
water contamination. Either will work indefinitely, it just depends on
how often you want to overhaul. XT will probably end up having
replacement parts available longer.

On 15 Sep 2006 10:20:51 -0700, "JeffWills" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If you're truly open to other brands, weight is not a concern, and the
durability and quality of the seal is what matters, then the obvious
solution is . . .

http://www.oceanoasis.org/fieldguide/miro-ang.html

Yeah, but... have you every tried to keep a saddle on one of them?

Jeff

Dear Jeff,

They're very good in the rain, which is important to Jay. Even salt
water doesn't bother them.

And they're true seals, not the kind that Jobst complains about:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/bicycles-faq/part4/

I'd link to the same thing on Sheldon's site, but it's still down.

Possibly Sheldon used cheap imitation seals on his server, the kind
that have external ears?

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Quoted message said:

I'd link to the same thing on Sheldon's site, but it's still down.

Possibly Sheldon used cheap imitation seals on his server, the kind
that have external ears?

Hmmm... I dunno. Do seals ping? Is seal ping some kind of sushi?

Back on topic: it would be good to know which hubs have the best seals.
The Portland area has gone from temperatures in the 80's on Monday to
low 60's and rainy today. I can hear the 'cross people salivating from
here.

Jeff

On 15 Sep 2006 22:55:36 -0700, "JeffWills" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I'd link to the same thing on Sheldon's site, but it's still down.

Possibly Sheldon used cheap imitation seals on his server, the kind
that have external ears?

Hmmm... I dunno. Do seals ping? Is seal ping some kind of sushi?

Back on topic: it would be good to know which hubs have the best seals.
The Portland area has gone from temperatures in the 80's on Monday to
low 60's and rainy today. I can hear the 'cross people salivating from
here.

Jeff

Dear Jeff,

Hmmm . . . there must be some bad puns lurking in there.

Our British cousins would say no, but seals do pong something offal.

Order Pingipeda?

Sheldon's site is still unpingable, possibly because his seals let
water into his server.

Sub-order Fauxidae?

No, the Phocidae aren't faux seals, they're the true earless seals.

It's unlikely that anyone can match Bierce:

SEAL, n. A mark impressed upon certain kinds of documents to attest
their authenticity and authority. Sometimes it is stamped upon wax,
and attached to the paper, sometimes into the paper itself. Sealing,
in this sense, is a survival of an ancient custom of inscribing
important papers with cabalistic words or signs to give them a magical
efficacy independent of the authority that they represent. In the
British museum are preserved many ancient papers, mostly of a
sacerdotal character, validated by necromantic pentagrams and other
devices, frequently initial letters of words to conjure with; and in
many instances these are attached in the same way that seals are
appended now. As nearly every reasonless and apparently meaningless
custom, rite or observance of modern times had origin in some remote
utility, it is pleasing to note an example of ancient nonsense
evolving in the process of ages into something really useful. Our
word "sincere" is derived from _sine cero_, without wax, but the
learned are not in agreement as to whether this refers to the absence
of the cabalistic signs, or to that of the wax with which letters were
formerly closed from public scrutiny. Either view of the matter will
serve one in immediate need of an hypothesis. The initials L.S.,
commonly appended to signatures of legal documents, mean _locum
sigillis_, the place of the seal, although the seal is no longer used
-- an admirable example of conservatism distinguishing Man from the
beasts that perish. The words _locum sigillis_ are humbly suggested
as a suitable motto for the Pribyloff Islands whenever they shall take
their place as a sovereign State of the American Union.

[see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pribilof_Islands]

Along with the closing Latin-English bio-legal pun, the definition
includes Bierce's charming phrase, "Either view of the matter will
serve one in immediate need of an hypothesis"--not a bad comment on
many of RBT's knottier questions.

Cheers,

Carl Fauxgel

Jay Beattie said:

The OEM hubs that came on my Cannondale cross bike are [censored], and I want
to replace them with something decent but not too expensive (135mm
spacing). Universal has several six bolt Shimano (475 Deore, 525 Deore
and 756 XT). The XT are twice as much as the Deore. Does anyone know
if there is a meaningful difference. Weight is not a concern. I am
more concerned in durability and the quality of the seals for riding in
heavy rain. I am open to other brands. -- Jay Beattie.

The Deore hubs are nice units...overhaul when new, more grease, adjust
well and they will last for a long time. XT are just 'prettier'..XTR
has ti bits.

Quoted message said:

Jay Beattie said:

The OEM hubs that came on my Cannondale cross bike are [censored], and I want
to replace them with something decent but not too expensive...I am
more concerned in durability and the quality of the seals for riding in
heavy rain. I am open to other brands. -- Jay Beattie.

If your base line is M525 Deore, it's hard to make a suggestion
without increasing your budget at least 3-fold. Over here, the M756 XT
units are GBP10 per pair extra and the only discernable difference is
the slotted flanges, which is in my view a retrograde step in both
aesthetic and functional terms.

Kinky Cowboy*

*Batteries not included
May contain traces of nuts
Your milage may vary

Dane Buson wrote:

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Quoted message said:

This is what I'm riding on my CrossCheck these days:

http://www.halorims.com/HaloNew/spindocrear.htm

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Quoted message said:

--
Dane Buson - [email hidden]

Yeah, it doesn't have ears so it is a true seal, John

Quoted message said:

Dear Jeff,

Hmmm . . . there must be some bad puns lurking in there.

Lurking?? Bloody heck, man! We're full of it!

I divest myself of this thread in consideration of the younger and more
impressionable members of our audience.

Jeff