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This website is about the best single source I've seen.

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While there is some good info there that goes against
the mainstream garbage there is still plenty of flawed
info as well. I would not recommend that site for the
average person who is ignorant about real nutrition.

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Xeno

While there is some good info there that goes against
the mainstream garbage there is still plenty of
flawed info as well. I would not recommend that site
for the average person who is ignorant about real
nutrition.

[censored]. What's "real nutrition"? What flawed info is on
that website? Are you refering to criticism of Atkins?

Xeno

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Xeno

There is some interesting info on the site but when I see
them repeat, by rote, the dietary fat recommendations of the
American Heart Association and the American Diabetes
Association they lose a lot of credibility as a source of
nutritional information.

TC

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There is some interesting info on the site but when I see
them repeat, by rote, the dietary fat recommendations of
the American Heart Association and the American Diabetes
Association they lose a lot of credibility as a source of
nutritional information.

TC

Too bad poor Xeno does not seem to comprehend such
things.

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Xeno

While there is some good info there that goes
against the mainstream garbage there is still
plenty of flawed info as well. I would not
recommend that site for the average person who is
ignorant about real nutrition.

[censored]. What's "real nutrition"? What flawed info is on
that website? Xeno

Plenty, such as the saturated fat/cholesterol dogma. As
well as the distortions and plain lies about paleo diets.
Claiming that they ate lean meats is just ideological
politically correct spin.

-Avoid butter, cheese and cream. -Eat skinless poultry. -Eat
only lean poultry parts (ex: chicken and turkey breast). -
Eat only lean cuts of red meat (these are often the cheaper
cuts of red meat). -Avoid fried meat - use cooking methods
that drive fat out of the meat, like grilling.

Recommendations like that are absolutely absurd and go
against the reality of paleo diets wich they try to
promot as heatlhy (and a REAL paleo/hunter gatherer diet
is) at the same time distorting it with that flawed
politically correct spin that seems straight from the
mouth of institutions such as the AMA. By the
discriptions on that site it would almost seem that
ancient people followed modern politically correct
nutrition so well that they had some sort of cave man
AMA dictating their dietary habits. What a joke.
Skinless pultry??? lean cuts of meat?? As if wise and
knowledgable "primitives" wasted one ounce of their
animal foods?? "Primitive" peoples always sought out the
fattiest parts of the fattiest animals killed at the
time of year that they were at the peak of fat content.
For example:

"Politically correct paleodieters also ignore the fact that
the Indians hunted animals selectively. The explorer
Vilhjalmur Stefansson, who spend many years with the
Indians, noted that they preferred "the flesh of older
animals to that of calves, yearlings and two-year olds. . .
It is approximately so with those northern forest Indians
with whom I have hunted, and probably with all caribou-
eaters." The Indians preferred the older animals because
they had built up a thick slab of fat along the back. In an
animal of 1000 pounds, this slab could weigh 40 to 50
pounds. Another 20-30 pounds of highly saturated fat could
be removed from the cavity. This fat was saved, sometimes by
rendering, stored in the bladder or large intestine, and
consumed with dried or smoked lean meat. Used in this way,
fat contributed almost 80 percent of total calories in the
diets of the northern Indians."

Not to mention that many of the "worms bugs and nuts"
they mention can be as much as 80% fat. Australian
Aborigines rilied heavily on a veriety of instects and
small animals going to great lengths to obtain enough
fat in their diets. For example:

"The Australian continent provides plentiful animal foods –
land mammals, birds, reptiles, seafood and insects – plus a
bewildering variety of plant foods. Conditions were lush in
the subtropical areas along the coasts, and extremely harsh
in the desert interior. Nevertheless, bushmen of the arid
regions exhibited the same robust good health as their
brothers living in the coastal forests. Each clan stayed
within its own prescribed area, except to participate in
certain religious ceremonies or to share in particularly
bountiful harvests of foods like shellfish or nuts. Coastal
groups built more or less permanent shelters and moved as a
group only to take advantage of certain seasonal food
supplies. Desert tribes were more wandering; they had larger
territories and moved about according to the location of
water and game.

The men were responsible for hunting large game, birds and
fish. They generally hunted the kangaroo in groups. A number
spread out to herd the animals towards a net that they
stretched across a pocket in the forest or brush near the
animals' feeding area. Another group concealed itself near
the net to catch the game with spears or clubs. In open
country, the animals were tracked and speared while they
were resting in the shade of a tree during the hot part of
the day.11 Smaller marsupials, such as the wallaby, paddy-
melon, bandicoot and kangaroo rat, were also hunted. In the
arid central regions, such small game has been replaced in
part by rabbits. Echidna – the spiny anteater – is also
hunted for its meat.

The Aborigines did not hunt at night, but extracted
nocturnal animals such as possum and koala bear – both
prized foods – from their daytime resting places in various
ingenious ways. The Aborigines would first detect the
presence of the animal by its smell, claw marks or
droppings, and confirm its presence by inserting a stick or
frond tipped with honey into the hollow tree or log serving
as a lair. If hairs stuck to the honey, they knew the
animal was there. They extracted it either by climbing a
tree to drag out the animal or by smoking it out of its
resting place.

Bats such as the flying fox and grey glider were so numerous
in certain places that they blocked out the stars and moon
when they flew. They were caught during the day as they
slept in the scrub. Two or three people carrying about a
dozen small clubs would climb trees where the bats were
sleeping. Standing on branches, they would frighten the bats
and throw the clubs at them as they flew away.

Reptiles such as goannas (iguanas), lizards, frogs and
snakes also found a place in the Aboriginal diet, as did
birds of all sizes – emus, turkeys, swans, ducks, parrots
and cockatoos. To catch flying birds such as parrots, the
Aborigines set nets across trees. Boomerangs were thrown
above the flock. Thinking these were hawks, the birds dived
down and were caught in the nets. In the summer, hunters
would capture ducks by submerging themselves up to their
necks in water holes, holding small branches to hide their
heads. When a duck came close, the hunter would grasp its
legs and drown it. Fish were speared or poisoned by adding
certain poisonous plants to the water. When they rose to the
surface, they could be captured by hand.

The great challenge for the Aborigine was to obtain enough
dietary fat. They were close observers of nature and knew
just when certain animals were at their fattest. For
example, kangaroos were fat when the fern leaf wattle was in
flower; possums when the apple tree was in bloom. Other
signs indicated when the carpet snake, kangaroo rat,
mussels, oysters, turtles and eels were fat and at their
best.11 Except in times of drought or famine, the Aborigine
rejected kangaroos that were too lean – they were not worth
carrying back to camp.1 During periods of abundance "animals
were slaughtered ruthlessly, and only the best and fattest
parts of the killed game were eaten."7 Favorite foods were
fat from the intestines of marsupials and from emus.7 Highly
saturated kidney fat from the possum was often eaten raw.5
The dugong, a large seagoing mammal, was another source of
fat available to natives on the coasts.

Other sources of fat included eggs – from both birds and
reptiles – and a great variety of insects. Chief among
them was the witchety grub, or moth larva, found in
rotting trunks of trees. These succulent treats – often
over six inches long – were eaten both raw and cooked. Fat
content of the dried grub is as high as 67%. The green
tree ant was another source of valuable fat, with a fat-to-
protein ration of about 12 to one. Another important
seasonal food in some parts of the country was the begong
moth. The moths were knocked off rock walls on which they
gathered in large numbers, or smoked out of caves or
crevices. They were roasted on the spot or ground up for
future use. Moth abdomens are the size of a small peanut
and are rich in fat.4"

Other assertions like prehistoric diets being based on
fruits and vegetables is just plain wrong:

Dr. Boyd Eaton published the Paleolithic Prescription in
which he argues that the cave man diet was low in fat,
particularly saturated fat, low in salt and rich in
dietary fiber from plant foods. His Paleolithic
prescription for optimum health is, in fact, very much
akin to the so-called prudent diet of the American Heart
Association....The cave man, it seems, thriving on a
diet of lean venison along with roots, shoots and
fruits, was altogether politically correct in his low-
fat dietary habits.(sound familiar?)

Or was he? In a recently published collection of essays, Ice
Age Hunters of the Rocky Mountains, we learn that the hunter-
gatherers of the North American continent ate the following
animals: mammoth, camel, sloth, bison, mountain sheep, small
mammals including beaver, pronghorn antelope, elk, mule
deer, horse, llama and large members of the dog family.
Mammoth, sloth, mountain sheep, bison and beaver are fatty
animals in the modern sense in that they have a thick layer
of subcutaneous fat, as do the many species of bear and wild
pig whose remains have been found at Paleolithic sites
throughout the world. The bison and camel have humps
composed largely of tallow. Furthermore, if the dietary
patterns of present day African hunter-gatherers can serve
as a guide, the Paleolithic hunter preferred the fatty
portions of the carcass including organs, brains, tongue,
feet and marrow. Archeological remains indicate that whereas
meat from game carcasses was often left uneaten, the long
bones were carried back into camps and chopped into pieces
so that the marrow could be extracted. Organ meats were
eaten immediately—and often raw—but muscle meat was
preserved by drying, or by mixing it with tallow to make
pemmican. Some investigators believe that the cave mans's
preference for the fatty portions of his kill led to
profligate practices—wasteful killing of mammoths simply to
extract their fatty tongues, for example—and that selective
hunting of the fattier animals was a prime factor leading to
the extinction of large mammals such as mammoths, sloths and
rhinoceros.

Bones of the bear predominate in many European sites.
Archeologist Myra Shakley reports on an important
Neanderthal site in Hungary where 90 percent of the remains
were those of bear. Whole carcasses were brought to the
site—not just portions as was the case for other animals—and
the manner in which the carcasses were cut up suggests that
the skins were removed. Obviously the pelts were used to
protect the hunter-gatherer from the severe climate. The
subcutaneous fat would not have been wasted; in fact, it
could have been used for preserving other foods. Altars
containing bear skulls found in caves in the Swiss Alps, and
dated back as far as 75,000 years, indicated that the bear
was worshiped as a sacred animal.

Present-day hunter-gatherers, as well as those of the
ancient past, possess greater dietary wisdom than the
majority of our modern Ph.D.'s. (an amazingly true statment)
They understood that a diet of lean meat, lacking in fat,
was the surest route to weakness, disease and death.
Steffanson, who studied the Eskimos and Indians of the far
north, reports that when lean caribou was the only meat
available, anxiety set in. These natives knew that a month
or more on such meat, without the addition of marine animals
or fatty fish, would make them sick and prone to disease.
The ancient tribes of the American West would not eat female
bison in the Spring because nursing and pregnant bison cows
burned off their fat reserves during the winter months. In
fact, most bison hunts occurred in the late Summer and Fall
when the bison were naturally fattened on the ripe grain of
prairie grasses. Anthropologist Leon Abrams reports that the
Aborigine will throw away a kangaroo he has killed if he
discovers that its carcass does not contain sufficient fat.
Members of Randolph Marcy's 1856 expedition to Wyoming grew
weak and sick consuming a politically correct low-fat regime
of six pounds of lean horse and mule meat per day; Dr.
Wolfgang Lutz reports that a very efficient way of
eliminating jailed political prisoners in South and Central
America is to feed them a diet composed exclusively of lean
meat. They soon develop severe diarrhea and succumb. The
explanation is that fats contain nutrients like vitamin A
that the body needs to utilize the amino acids and minerals
in flesh foods; without fat in the diet, the body rapidly
uses up its own stores of fat soluble vitamins. When these
vital nutrients are depleted, the human organism can no
longer fight off disease.

Was the cave man diet simply rich in unsaturated fats, but
low in saturated fats? Antelope and caribou fat is over 50%
saturated—about the same as beef—and mountain sheep fat
would be the similar. Buffalo fat is 56% saturated—more
saturated than beef! All ruminant animals contain lots of
saturated fat because the protozoa in their capacious guts
do an efficient job of saturating the oils found in plant
foods—whether these oils come from dried hay or green grass,
from feedlot corn or the ripe grains of prairie grasses. (Of
course naturally-fed meat is richer in vitamins and
minerals.) The bison were hunted in the late Summer and Fall
when their fat stores would have been highest. Grazing
animals spend several months eating the carbohydrate-rich
seeds of wild grasses, which begin to ripen as early as the
month of May—grain fattening in feedlots merely mimics this
natural process.

Camel fat, from the kind of animal the Neanderthals
apparently hunted to extinction, is a whooping 63%
saturated! Wild boar fat is about 41% saturated, exactly the
same as lard from a domestic pig. Kidney fat—which modern
man avoids but which the cave man would have eaten—is highly
saturated. Buffalo kidney fat is 58% saturated, antelope
kidney fat is 65% saturated, elk kidney fat is 62% saturated
and mountain goat kidney fat is 66 % saturated. Caribou
marrow has a preponderance of monounsaturated fat, and a
small amount of polyunsaturated, but still contains more
than 27% saturated fat. Figures for elephant tongue are
unavailable but beef tongue is 45% saturated. Bears, which
yield 48% of their kilocalories as fat, have a preponderance
of monounsaturated fat, the same kind found in olives,
almonds and other nuts.

Seafood in coastal regions would also have provided fat for
primitive man, particularly the valuable omega-3 fatty
acids; insects, grubs and worms are a source of additional
fat in all regions except the arctic.

So the high-fat proponents are the most likely winners of
the great Paleolithic fat debate; but they are probably
wrong in their assertions that plant foods, particularly
grains, are new to the human diet. Remains of plant foods at
Paleolithic sites include seeds, berries, roots, leaves and
bulbs. Sunflower seeds, prickly pear seeds, amaranth seeds
and limber pine seeds have been found at Rocky Mountain
sites. Various types of nuts were consumed by primitives in
the Americas and on the European continent. The amount of
plant food in the cave man diet varied according to the
climate and locality. Obviously plant foods were minimal in
the diets of those in arctic climates, but played a large
role in tropical regions. Nuts, of course, provided
additional fat. The pecan, consumed in large quantities by
the Indians of the Southeast, contains 85% of calories as
fat. In tropical regions, palm nuts and coconuts provide
large quantities of saturated fats.

Present day hunter-gatherers employ special preparation
methods for carbohydrate-rich foods. Acorns, for example,
are soaked in water and lye to remove tannins; tubers are
buried in the ground, pounded or cooked in hearth ashes;
seeds are soaked, pounded and allowed to ferment in various
ways. It is safe to assume that the ancient hunter-gatherers
employed similar techniques to neutralize the many enzyme
inhibitors, irritants and mineral blocking substances found
in tubers and seeds. In fact, a large portion of the
primitive woman's day was spent in just such
preparations—pounding, soaking, sieving, souring and putting
the finishing touches on various types of root and seed
foods. The men, on the other hand, divided their time
between dangerous hunting forays, in which physical stamina
and strength was at a premium, and periods of idleness when
they would work on their weapons—and gossip.

So the comparison of the human digestive tract with that of
the dog, while interesting, does not tell the whole story.
Man can benefit from the many nutrients in plant foods as
long as he takes care in their preparation. Primitive plant
preparation methods—pounding, soaking, and
fermenting—imitate the time-consuming processes that take
place in the sheep's digestive tract, beginning with his
flat grinding molars and ending with the fermentative
bacteria in his lower bowel. The Paleolithic hunter-gatherer
had the good sense not only to eat the fattier portions of
meat, but to prepare his plant foods correctly. Modern man,
particularly the modern professor of nutrition, does not.

Those are a few examples of the flaws in the info from
that site. However as I said there is plenty of very
good info on there but like many other sources of good,
acurate nutritional information there is usualy mixed
into it elements of flawed politically correct dogma,
mainly lowfat/low cholesterol BS. Aside from that it is
a pretty good site. I am sure Hugh could add some
valuable info to this discussion as he seems very
knowledgable in this area.

For more accurate and far more detailed information
about real paleo/hunter gatherer and other
traditional diets:

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diets.html

Also I am sure Hugh could add some valuable info to this
discussion and hope he does as he seems very knowledgable in
this area.

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While there is some good info there that goes
against the mainstream garbage there is still
plenty of flawed info as well. I would not
recommend that site for the average person who is
ignorant about real nutrition.

[censored]. What's "real nutrition"? What flawed info is
on that website? Xeno

Plenty, such as the saturated fat/cholesterol dogma. As
well as the distortions and plain lies about paleo
diets. Claiming that they ate lean meats is just
ideological politically correct spin.

-Avoid butter, cheese and cream. -Eat skinless poultry.
-Eat only lean poultry parts (ex: chicken and turkey
breast). -Eat only lean cuts of red meat (these are often
the cheaper cuts of red meat). -Avoid fried meat - use
cooking methods that drive fat out of the meat, like
grilling.

Recommendations like that are absolutely absurd

They are??? So this IS more pro-Atkins rubbish. Anybody who
hunts and cooks game knows the difference between lean wild
meat and the fatty stuff in stores, even if you don't. Paleo
man didn't go to McDonalds.

Sorry, but I think the AMA has a little more credibilty on
this subject, particularly in light of the recent study that
shows the high fat Atkins diet doesn't do as well as normal
diets over the longer term.

Xeno

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> While there is some good info there that goes
> against the mainstream garbage there is still
> plenty of flawed info as well. I would not
> recommend that site for the average person who
> is ignorant about real nutrition.

[censored]. What's "real nutrition"? What flawed info is
on that website? Xeno

Plenty, such as the saturated fat/cholesterol dogma.
As well as the distortions and plain lies about paleo
diets. Claiming that they ate lean meats is just
ideological politically correct spin.

-Avoid butter, cheese and cream. -Eat skinless poultry.
-Eat only lean poultry parts (ex: chicken and turkey
breast). -Eat only lean cuts of red meat (these are
often the cheaper cuts of red meat). -Avoid fried meat -
use cooking methods that drive fat out of the meat, like
grilling.

Recommendations like that are absolutely absurd

They are??? So this IS more pro-Atkins rubbish. Anybody
who hunts and cooks game knows the difference between lean
wild meat and the fatty stuff in stores, even if you
don't. Paleo man didn't go to McDonalds.

Sorry, but I think the AMA has a little more credibilty on
this subject, particularly in light of the recent study
that shows the high fat Atkins diet doesn't do as well as
normal diets over the longer term.

Xeno

The AMA has no credibility at all. You are just one of
the ignorant masses who blindly follows every word from
the so called authorities and powers that be as if they
are looking out for your well being for some reason.
They count on such stupidity and blind support like
yours. It is sad. You need a reality check.

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> > plenty of flawed info as well. I would not
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> > who is ignorant about real nutrition.
>
> [censored]. What's "real nutrition"? What flawed info
> is on that website? Xeno

Plenty, such as the saturated fat/cholesterol
dogma. As well as the distortions and plain lies
about paleo diets. Claiming that they ate lean
meats is just ideological politically correct spin.

-Avoid butter, cheese and cream. -Eat skinless
poultry. -Eat only lean poultry parts (ex: chicken and
turkey breast). -Eat only lean cuts of red meat (these
are often the cheaper cuts of red meat). -Avoid fried
meat - use cooking methods that drive fat out of the
meat, like grilling.

Recommendations like that are absolutely absurd

They are??? So this IS more pro-Atkins rubbish. Anybody
who hunts and cooks game knows the difference between
lean wild meat and the fatty stuff in stores, even if
you don't. Paleo man didn't go to McDonalds.

Sorry, but I think the AMA has a little more credibilty
on this subject, particularly in light of the recent
study that shows the high fat Atkins diet doesn't do as
well as normal diets over the longer term.

Xeno

The AMA has no credibility at all. You are just one of
the ignorant masses who blindly follows every word
from the so called authorities and powers that be as
if they are looking out for your well being for some
reason. They count on such stupidity and blind support
like yours. It is sad. You need a reality check.

Hah, what a joke. Wolfdroppings, the AMA, for all its
faults, is an organization representing highly trained
professionals with a long history and a stake in public
health and nedicine.

Snakeoil shills come and go - why don't you go, loser.

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> > While there is some good info there that goes
> > against the mainstream garbage there is still
> > plenty of flawed info as well. I would not
> > recommend that site for the average person
> > who is ignorant about real nutrition.
>
> [censored]. What's "real nutrition"? What flawed info
> is on that website? Xeno

Plenty, such as the saturated fat/cholesterol
dogma. As well as the distortions and plain lies
about paleo diets. Claiming that they ate lean
meats is just ideological politically correct spin.

-Avoid butter, cheese and cream. -Eat skinless
poultry. -Eat only lean poultry parts (ex: chicken and
turkey breast). -Eat only lean cuts of red meat (these
are often the cheaper cuts of red meat). -Avoid fried
meat - use cooking methods that drive fat out of the
meat, like grilling.

Recommendations like that are absolutely absurd

They are??? So this IS more pro-Atkins rubbish. Anybody
who hunts and cooks game knows the difference between
lean wild meat and the fatty stuff in stores, even if
you don't. Paleo man didn't go to McDonalds.

Sorry, but I think the AMA has a little more credibilty
on this subject, particularly in light of the recent
study that shows the high fat Atkins diet doesn't do as
well as normal diets over the longer term.

Xeno

The AMA has no credibility at all. You are just one of
the ignorant masses who blindly follows every word
from the so called authorities and powers that be as
if they are looking out for your well being for some
reason. They count on such stupidity and blind support
like yours. It is sad. You need a reality check.

Hah, what a joke. Wolfdroppings, the AMA, for all its
faults, is an organization representing highly trained
professionals with a long history and a stake in public
health and nedicine.

Snakeoil shills come and go - why don't you go, loser.

tcomeau said:

There is some interesting info on the site but when I see
them repeat, by rote, the dietary fat recommendations of
the American Heart Association and the American Diabetes
Association they lose a lot of credibility as a source of
nutritional information.

Here's another take:

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There is some interesting info on the site but when I
see them repeat, by rote, the dietary fat
recommendations of the American Heart Association and
the American Diabetes Association they lose a lot of
credibility as a source of nutritional information.

Here's another take:

vitaletherapeutics.orgvtldtfat.htmOpen ↗

That site is like the
home.earthlink.net5 Diet.htmOpen ↗ one in
that it says there is a distinction between good fat versus
bad fat. I think some are saying there isn't and that people
should eat lots of fat.

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