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XYZ () said:

http://www.shuttlebike.com/SHUTTLE-BIKE%20KIT%20-%20The%20Story.htm

Does this thing look like it might fit a 'bent -- say an SMGTe??

I have a vague recollection of seeing a photo of one underneath a Speed
Ross, so I imagine it would.

--
Dave Larrington - <http://www.legslarry.beerdrinkers.co.uk/>
Kinder surprise! What's the surprise? Your children are now dead.

NYC XYZ said:

http://www.shuttlebike.com/SHUTTLE-BIKE%20KIT%20-%20The%20Story.htm

I wrote Shuttle Bike and just thought I should share the info:

Its pontoons got upgraded to double-chamber pontoons (so -- God forbid!
-- a puncture in the front of one doesn't lead to total leakage and
collapse), and it's available until the end of this month for
US$890.00, freight inclusive!

Unfortunately, they seem like they only do wire transfers and
PayPal....

Does this thing look like it might fit a 'bent -- say an SMGTe??

But I'd be a little concerned about weight distribution...!

I'll write 'em again and see.

You can buy decent quality "tupperware" type kayaks for less than $890.
Or more too. They are actually designed for water. Based on
centuries and centuries and centuries of experience. And are enjoyable
to use. Easily maneuverable and can be pretty fast too. You get a
good upper body workout too. Easy to transport if you already have a
roof top bike rack. Assuming you do not get the very long kayaks. I
do recommend getting a kayak with a foot controlled rudder. Much
easier to steer than with the paddle alone.

The thing you linked to seems pointless.

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NYC XYZ said:

http://www.shuttlebike.com/SHUTTLE-BIKE%20KIT%20-%20The%20Story.htm

I wrote Shuttle Bike and just thought I should share the info:

Its pontoons got upgraded to double-chamber pontoons (so -- God forbid!
-- a puncture in the front of one doesn't lead to total leakage and
collapse), and it's available until the end of this month for
US$890.00, freight inclusive!

Unfortunately, they seem like they only do wire transfers and
PayPal....

Does this thing look like it might fit a 'bent -- say an SMGTe??

But I'd be a little concerned about weight distribution...!

I'll write 'em again and see.

You can buy decent quality "tupperware" type kayaks for less than $890.
Or more too. They are actually designed for water. Based on
centuries and centuries and centuries of experience. And are enjoyable
to use. Easily maneuverable and can be pretty fast too. You get a
good upper body workout too. Easy to transport if you already have a
roof top bike rack. Assuming you do not get the very long kayaks. I
do recommend getting a kayak with a foot controlled rudder. Much
easier to steer than with the paddle alone.

The thing you linked to seems pointless.

It doesn't seem pointless to me. The whole shebang packs down into a
backpack so you can ride out to a lake or something, and go have a
spin. It is of course, not a substitute for a kayak, but it opens up
new possibilities for bike "rides".

Joseph

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You can buy decent quality "tupperware" type kayaks for less than $890.

Oh, I know that! But who wants tupperware.

Actually, I've got the Sea Eagle PaddleSki myself -- not tupperware,
though not high-end, either (and it's an inflatable -- major demerits
with 'yak purists).

Now that Hobie Cat Mirage Tandem...woo-hoo!

Quoted message said:

Or more too. They are actually designed for water. Based on
centuries and centuries and centuries of experience. And are enjoyable
to use. Easily maneuverable and can be pretty fast too. You get a
good upper body workout too. Easy to transport if you already have a
roof top bike rack. Assuming you do not get the very long kayaks. I
do recommend getting a kayak with a foot controlled rudder. Much
easier to steer than with the paddle alone.

The thing you linked to seems pointless.

I'm not sure I understand you...this is a great thing to have along on
a real major self-supported tour, don't you think? Just pump one up
(by pedaling, no less!) and you cross the water just like that.

I was actually thinking one might have to carry around a $3K First
Light 22-lb. folding kayak, but this seems even more ideal!

NYC XYZ said:

Quoted message said:

You can buy decent quality "tupperware" type kayaks for less than $890.

Oh, I know that! But who wants tupperware.

Actually, I've got the Sea Eagle PaddleSki myself -- not tupperware,
though not high-end, either (and it's an inflatable -- major demerits
with 'yak purists).

Now that Hobie Cat Mirage Tandem...woo-hoo!

Quoted message said:

Or more too. They are actually designed for water. Based on
centuries and centuries and centuries of experience. And are enjoyable
to use. Easily maneuverable and can be pretty fast too. You get a
good upper body workout too. Easy to transport if you already have a
roof top bike rack. Assuming you do not get the very long kayaks. I
do recommend getting a kayak with a foot controlled rudder. Much
easier to steer than with the paddle alone.

The thing you linked to seems pointless.

I'm not sure I understand you...this is a great thing to have along on
a real major self-supported tour, don't you think? Just pump one up
(by pedaling, no less!) and you cross the water just like that.

Why is it everyone on the internet is bicycle touring in the most
remote parts of the world? But if crossing a body of water, safely and
easily, with your bike and gear is what you are after, why not just
take along a small, simple inflatible raft/boat. Smaller packing size
and lighter than this pedal thing. And folding/collapsible/take apart
paddles are readily available. Even made of carbon fiber. And the
inflatible raft/boat would be cheaper too. And more maneuverable
because you have a paddle to steer with. And simpler since there are
no moving parts.

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I was actually thinking one might have to carry around a $3K First
Light 22-lb. folding kayak, but this seems even more ideal!

With a true folding kayak you can use the waterways as a road to
explore on your remote major bicycle tour. Safely. Folding kayaks
like the Klepper are built as real kayaks. Just like touring bicycles
are built for touring with racks and such on them. They can haul heavy
loads safely. Put your Klepper or other real folding kayak in a BOB
trailer, along with your gear in the trailer and in panniers, and you
can go about anywhere, safely. Not so with that paddle thing referred
to in the link. If you are really going on a real major self-supported
tour, this would be the way to do it. Not with gimmicky mickey mouse
stuff.

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Why is it everyone on the internet is bicycle touring in the most
remote parts of the world?

Probably 'cause the typical internet user lives in an urban area?

But I'm not sure why you ask; I'm afraid I'm only good for local trips!

Quoted message said:

But if crossing a body of water, safely and
easily, with your bike and gear is what you are after, why not just
take along a small, simple inflatible raft/boat.

Well, this is much smaller than any inflatable, don't you think? Much
more compact, too, and would utilize the bike itself -- pedaling seems
more powerful than paddling!

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Smaller packing size
and lighter than this pedal thing.

HUH????

The lightest folding kayak I know of is one of those by First Light of
Australia -- and even then toting along the bike will be a hassle --
and that's $3K! I'd still like to own that one day, but there's just
no competition at US$895, shipped!

Quoted message said:

And folding/collapsible/take apart
paddles are readily available. Even made of carbon fiber. And the
inflatible raft/boat would be cheaper too. And more maneuverable
because you have a paddle to steer with. And simpler since there are
no moving parts.

I love kayaking, but I'm not sure how you argue that any inflatable
could possibly compete against this Shuttle Bike product.

It's cheaper, it's more compact, it sets up more quickly, it solves the
problem of what to do with the bike, which is a
two-birds-with-one-stone solution because it utilizes the bike and
cruises faster!

Quoted message said:

With a true folding kayak you can use the waterways as a road to
explore on your remote major bicycle tour. Safely. Folding kayaks
like the Klepper are built as real kayaks. Just like touring bicycles
are built for touring with racks and such on them. They can haul heavy
loads safely. Put your Klepper or other real folding kayak in a BOB
trailer, along with your gear in the trailer and in panniers, and you
can go about anywhere, safely. Not so with that paddle thing referred
to in the link.

I honestly don't understand how you can claim all that -- why drag
along a BOB trailer when this thing fits in a backpack? And why mount
a bike across the bow when this Shuttle Bike design incorporates the
bike into the whole experience? Indeed, it literally extends the
concept of a bicycle! And it's cheaper, etc.

You mean you'd prefer toting around a boat while biking and a bike
while boating??

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If you are really going on a real major self-supported
tour, this would be the way to do it. Not with gimmicky mickey mouse
stuff.

But they've crossed the English Channel with this! Not to mention the
Messina Straits between Sicily and the Italian mainland, etc.

and watch out for the gators!

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....used by anyone: you do not have to be either an expert biker or swimmer.....

Do not have to be an expert swimmer! Surely you jest! The CG height to
width ratio has to be far worse that any boat around in which one
expects to stay dry.
I dearly hope that anyone who sets out on it, is an expert swimmer or
is wearing a buoyancy device.
I really don't mind what anyone does, including jumping off bridges
with or without a parachute, but please don't believe that the device
pictured in the OP is stable in white caps & wind.

Good Luck, John

john said:

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....used by anyone: you do not have to be either an expert biker or swimmer.....

You know, googlegroups does this a lot nowadays..."and who is 'john'
when he's at home?"

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Do not have to be an expert swimmer! Surely you jest! The CG height to
width ratio has to be far worse that any boat around in which one
expects to stay dry.

I'm sure there will be a lot of splashing around, unfortunately, since
these are City waters we're talking about.

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I dearly hope that anyone who sets out on it, is an expert swimmer or
is wearing a buoyancy device.

Of course a Class III FD will be worn! Though I do wonder if that can
"guarantee" safety (undertows, etc.).

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I really don't mind what anyone does, including jumping off bridges
with or without a parachute, but please don't believe that the device
pictured in the OP is stable in white caps & wind.

Well, this is why I'm asking: the company claims that this thing's been
used to cross the English Channel, the Straits of Messina, etc. I'm
sure you don't go white-water with it, but those feats sound fairly
impressive.

Quoted message said:

Good Luck, John

Erratum:

1) I'd mistakenly wrote, in an earlier post, that the whole package
would be lighter than a First Light folding kayak. Actually, the First
Lights are like ~22 lbs., whereas this kit is ~27 lbs.

NYC XYZ said:

Quoted message said:

Why is it everyone on the internet is bicycle touring in the most
remote parts of the world?

Probably 'cause the typical internet user lives in an urban area?

But I'm not sure why you ask; I'm afraid I'm only good for local trips!

Quoted message said:

But if crossing a body of water, safely and
easily, with your bike and gear is what you are after, why not just
take along a small, simple inflatible raft/boat.

Well, this is much smaller than any inflatable, don't you think? Much
more compact, too, and would utilize the bike itself -- pedaling seems
more powerful than paddling!

Quoted message said:

Smaller packing size
and lighter than this pedal thing.

HUH????

The lightest folding kayak I know of is one of those by First Light of
Australia -- and even then toting along the bike will be a hassle --
and that's $3K! I'd still like to own that one day, but there's just
no competition at US$895, shipped!

Quoted message said:

And folding/collapsible/take apart
paddles are readily available. Even made of carbon fiber. And the
inflatible raft/boat would be cheaper too. And more maneuverable
because you have a paddle to steer with. And simpler since there are
no moving parts.

I love kayaking, but I'm not sure how you argue that any inflatable
could possibly compete against this Shuttle Bike product.

It's cheaper, it's more compact, it sets up more quickly, it solves the
problem of what to do with the bike, which is a
two-birds-with-one-stone solution because it utilizes the bike and
cruises faster!

Quoted message said:

With a true folding kayak you can use the waterways as a road to
explore on your remote major bicycle tour. Safely. Folding kayaks
like the Klepper are built as real kayaks. Just like touring bicycles
are built for touring with racks and such on them. They can haul heavy
loads safely. Put your Klepper or other real folding kayak in a BOB
trailer, along with your gear in the trailer and in panniers, and you
can go about anywhere, safely. Not so with that paddle thing referred
to in the link.

I honestly don't understand how you can claim all that -- why drag
along a BOB trailer when this thing fits in a backpack? And why mount
a bike across the bow when this Shuttle Bike design incorporates the
bike into the whole experience? Indeed, it literally extends the
concept of a bicycle! And it's cheaper, etc.

You mean you'd prefer toting around a boat while biking and a bike
while boating??

Quoted message said:

If you are really going on a real major self-supported
tour, this would be the way to do it. Not with gimmicky mickey mouse
stuff.

But they've crossed the English Channel with this! Not to mention the
Messina Straits between Sicily and the Italian mainland, etc.

You're mixing up my comments on using a small, simple, cheap, compact
inflatable raft/boat with using a real take apart kayak.

With the inflatable, you get a proven boat, shape anyway, that is
smaller and lighter and simpler and cheaper than your pedaling kit
thing. To cross bodies of water, or to enjoy on a city lake or calm
water, a boat would be much better. The inflatable would easily be
transported in a small backpack.

http://www.rei.com/category/4501484.htm
Here are some inflatable rafts from REI. Alpacka rafts are mentioned.
Alpacka is made by your Feathercraft company. Cheaper than your pedal
thing by a $100. Less than 5 pounds. 8"x22", smaller than your pedal
thing. I am sure there are many other inflatable rafts out there too.
Some a bit bigger to better carry a bike and gear across water.

With the take apart kayak, you get a proven real boat capable of
crossing any body of water carrying anything you want to carry. Its
heavier and bigger than the pedal thing mentioned. But is safe and
capable. If you were to take this along on a real major journey, you
could easily ride to a waterway, assemble the kayak, go down or up
river many miles, and then start the bicycling again. A BOB trailer
would likely be required to carry the folding kayak. The BOB would
also carry your other essential gear on a real major journey.

Quoted message said:

You're mixing up my comments on using a small, simple, cheap, compact
inflatable raft/boat with using a real take apart kayak.

Indeed, that's true -- in my mind, for the purposes of getting a bike
over water, they're the same, "functionally" speaking.

Quoted message said:

With the inflatable, you get a proven boat, shape anyway, that is
smaller and lighter and simpler and cheaper than your pedaling kit
thing. To cross bodies of water, or to enjoy on a city lake or calm
water, a boat would be much better. The inflatable would easily be
transported in a small backpack.

But what's more proven than crossing the English Channel?

And your suggestions seem like they are necessarily slower, as this
Shuttle Bike kit uses pedaling power. Surely it's a more elegant
solution to incorporate the very bike into the whole affair than to
have it simply as "dead weight"??

Quoted message said:

http://www.rei.com/category/4501484.htm
Here are some inflatable rafts from REI. Alpacka rafts are mentioned.
Alpacka is made by your Feathercraft company.

No, I said "First Light," from Australia -- but thanks for the link. I
actually have an inflatable already, the Sea Eagle PaddleSki.
Unfortunately, that's 60 lbs. -- rolled up!

Quoted message said:

Cheaper than your pedal
thing by a $100. Less than 5 pounds. 8"x22", smaller than your pedal
thing. I am sure there are many other inflatable rafts out there too.
Some a bit bigger to better carry a bike and gear across water.

You know, I did make a mistake in my earlier post -- the Shuttle Bike
kit is actually ~27 lbs., so it's heavier than the previous solution
I'd imagined, a ~22-lb. First Light folding kayak.

But again, I don't know how you can beat something which by
incorporating pedaling power into its design performs much faster and
efficiently.

Quoted message said:

With the take apart kayak, you get a proven real boat capable of
crossing any body of water carrying anything you want to carry. Its
heavier and bigger than the pedal thing mentioned. But is safe and
capable. If you were to take this along on a real major journey, you
could easily ride to a waterway, assemble the kayak, go down or up
river many miles, and then start the bicycling again. A BOB trailer
would likely be required to carry the folding kayak. The BOB would
also carry your other essential gear on a real major journey.

Yeah, but dude! It'll be cumbersome enough mounting a bike across the
bow -- where will you stow the BOB???

With the Shuttle Bike kit, the bike is part and parcel of the solution!
And the solution tucks away when not in use.

I simply can't imagine carrying around all the gear you suggest just to
achieve the same thing at a necessarily slower pace.

NYC XYZ said:

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You're mixing up my comments on using a small, simple, cheap, compact
inflatable raft/boat with using a real take apart kayak.

Indeed, that's true -- in my mind, for the purposes of getting a bike
over water, they're the same, "functionally" speaking.

No they are not functionally the same. The take apart kayak is capable
of any water voyage. Wherever. The small inflatable raft is to cross
small bodies of water or for pure pleasure on a lake. Your pedal thing
is not capable of any water voyage. Its a gimmicky thing for sort of
pleasure use on a lake. Sort of. The only functional equivalency
between the things mentioned is they all float.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

With the inflatable, you get a proven boat, shape anyway, that is
smaller and lighter and simpler and cheaper than your pedaling kit
thing. To cross bodies of water, or to enjoy on a city lake or calm
water, a boat would be much better. The inflatable would easily be
transported in a small backpack.

But what's more proven than crossing the English Channel?

People swim across the English Channel. Long before this pedal thing
was invented. Swimming is still not a practical or safe or reliable
method to cross large bodies of water. Or even smaller bodies like
rivers. Inflatable crafts liek the one I mentioned in the link from
REI have crossed the English Cahnnel long before your pedal thing was
invented too.

Quoted message said:

And your suggestions seem like they are necessarily slower, as this
Shuttle Bike kit uses pedaling power. Surely it's a more elegant
solution to incorporate the very bike into the whole affair than to
have it simply as "dead weight"??

Why do you assume your pedal thing is fast on water? How big is the
paddle/propeller? The size of the paddle/propeller and how fast it
turns is what detemines speed. And waterline, etc. of the boat. What
provides the power is not relevant. A take apart kayak paddle has
sufficient area to move an inflatable boat at a reasonable pace. Why
is it elegant to have the bike part of the craft? How many ferry boats
in the world transporting millions of cars use the cars to power the
ferry boat? Couldn't the cars all be driven onto rollers and then have
the car wheels work to turn the ferry propeller? Elegant? James Bond
movies always have cars that turn into boats or airplanes or gondolas
that turn into cars. Elegant? I've also seen bikes that have sails
attached to them. On RAGBRAI of course. Elegant?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.rei.com/category/4501484.htm
Here are some inflatable rafts from REI. Alpacka rafts are mentioned.
Alpacka is made by your Feathercraft company.

No, I said "First Light," from Australia -- but thanks for the link. I
actually have an inflatable already, the Sea Eagle PaddleSki.
Unfortunately, that's 60 lbs. -- rolled up!

The inflatables I linked to weigh less than 5 pounds. I'd rather carry
around 5 pounds than the 27 pounds of your pedal thing.

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Cheaper than your pedal
thing by a $100. Less than 5 pounds. 8"x22", smaller than your pedal
thing. I am sure there are many other inflatable rafts out there too.
Some a bit bigger to better carry a bike and gear across water.

You know, I did make a mistake in my earlier post -- the Shuttle Bike
kit is actually ~27 lbs., so it's heavier than the previous solution
I'd imagined, a ~22-lb. First Light folding kayak.

But again, I don't know how you can beat something which by
incorporating pedaling power into its design performs much faster and
efficiently.

Is it faster? How maneuverable is your pedal thing? How safe?

Quoted message said:

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With the take apart kayak, you get a proven real boat capable of
crossing any body of water carrying anything you want to carry. Its
heavier and bigger than the pedal thing mentioned. But is safe and
capable. If you were to take this along on a real major journey, you
could easily ride to a waterway, assemble the kayak, go down or up
river many miles, and then start the bicycling again. A BOB trailer
would likely be required to carry the folding kayak. The BOB would
also carry your other essential gear on a real major journey.

Yeah, but dude! It'll be cumbersome enough mounting a bike across the
bow -- where will you stow the BOB???

Make two trips if need be to cross bodies of water. Which is what the
inflatable would be used for. With a folding kayak, put the bike on
the bow and the BOB on the stern. Gear inside. Go for miles and miles
in any direction on the water, safely.

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With the Shuttle Bike kit, the bike is part and parcel of the solution!
And the solution tucks away when not in use.

And I am suggesting trying to incorporate a bike into a boat is a bad
idea. Better to keep them separate. Don't end up with an unsafe,
unmaneuverable floating thing powered by a bike, supposedly. Your
pedal thing tucks away into a 27 pound backpack. Can you imagine
carrying another bike on your back while riding your bike? Wow. You
had better be pulling a BOB to transport your pedal thing. 27 pounds?
Wow. With my inflatables, they are less than 5 pounds. A loaded
Camelbak weighs that. Not 27 pounds.

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I simply can't imagine carrying around all the gear you suggest just to
achieve the same thing at a necessarily slower pace.

The gear I would suggest for simpy crossing bodies of water or
recreational use is the less than 5 pound inflatable boat. Cheaper,
safer, lighter, smaller than your 27 pound backpack sized pedal thing.
The gear I suggest for a true around the world human powered trip would
be the folding kayak. Same weight as your pedal thing but capable and
safe for anything. Your pedal thing requires the same gear to
transport it as a folding kayak because it weighs 27 pounds, as much as
a stout bicycle. And is the size of a backpack. The size of a large
rear pannier, or larger.

As for slow pace, I can kayak fairly quickly. Kayaks are reasonably
quick. I suspect the folding kayaks are much faster than your pedal
thing. As well as safe and maneuverable. The inflatable raft is quick
enough to get across bodies of water or for recreational use on a lake.
And safe and maneuverable.

Quoted message said:

No they are not functionally the same. The take apart kayak is capable
of any water voyage. Wherever. The small inflatable raft is to cross
small bodies of water or for pure pleasure on a lake. Your pedal thing
is not capable of any water voyage. Its a gimmicky thing for sort of
pleasure use on a lake. Sort of. The only functional equivalency
between the things mentioned is they all float.

Right, that's what I mean -- sorry if the semantics is getting in the
way here. Being waterborne for me is enough, in this context.

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People swim across the English Channel. Long before this pedal thing
was invented. Swimming is still not a practical or safe or reliable
method to cross large bodies of water. Or even smaller bodies like
rivers. Inflatable crafts liek the one I mentioned in the link from
REI have crossed the English Cahnnel long before your pedal thing was
invented too.

I know, but this Shuttle Bike kit is easy to pack away once I reach
land, and by incorporating pedaling power it moves quicker than trying
to paddle a raft loaded down by a bike that's just laying there!

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Why do you assume your pedal thing is fast on water? How big is the
paddle/propeller? The size of the paddle/propeller and how fast it
turns is what detemines speed.

That too -- but everything else being equal, pedaling will be
necessarily faster than paddling, correct? That's all I'm getting at
here.

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And waterline, etc. of the boat. What
provides the power is not relevant.

No way! Are you serious?? Surely gas power is faster than electric
power...same with pedal and paddle, no?

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A take apart kayak paddle has
sufficient area to move an inflatable boat at a reasonable pace.

Sure, but the faster the better, is all I mean.

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Why
is it elegant to have the bike part of the craft?

'Cause the bike "pays for itself," it's a "paying passenger," and not
just "dead weight" when on water.

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How many ferry boats
in the world transporting millions of cars use the cars to power the
ferry boat? Couldn't the cars all be driven onto rollers and then have
the car wheels work to turn the ferry propeller? Elegant?

HECK YEAH!!!!! Do you have a link to these sorts of inventions, too,
by any chance?

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James Bond
movies always have cars that turn into boats or airplanes or gondolas
that turn into cars. Elegant? I've also seen bikes that have sails
attached to them.

Um, yeah..."elegant" in the engineering, mathematical sense of killing
two birds with one stone...instead of separate tools, why not a Swiss
Army Knife?

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On RAGBRAI of course. Elegant?

What's RAGBRAI got to do with anything?? You mean the flat plains of
Iowa?

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NYC XYZ said:

....
Yeah, but dude! It'll be cumbersome enough mounting a bike across the
bow -- where will you stow the BOB???

Make two trips if need be to cross bodies of water. Which is what the
inflatable would be used for....

You have a fox, a goose and a bag of corn... 😉

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

And a lawyer...
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NYC XYZ said:

....
Yeah, but dude! It'll be cumbersome enough mounting a bike across the
bow -- where will you stow the BOB???

Make two trips if need be to cross bodies of water. Which is what the
inflatable would be used for....

You have a fox, a goose and a bag of corn... 😉

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

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NYC XYZ wrote:
> ....
> Yeah, but dude! It'll be cumbersome enough mounting a bike across the
> bow -- where will you stow the BOB???

Make two trips if need be to cross bodies of water. Which is what the
inflatable would be used for....

You have a fox, a goose and a bag of corn... 😉

And a lawyer...

You can throw the lawyer in the water. 😉

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Johnny Sunset said:

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NYC XYZ said:

....
Yeah, but dude! It'll be cumbersome enough mounting a bike across the
bow -- where will you stow the BOB???

Make two trips if need be to cross bodies of water. Which is what the
inflatable would be used for....

You have a fox, a goose and a bag of corn... 😉

--
Tom Sherman - Fox River Valley

Simple. 1. Take the goose across. 2. Go back empty. 3. Take the
fox across. 4. Take the goose back. 5. Take the corn across. 6.
Go back empty. 7. Take the goose across.

There are no rules saying you cannot take one of the pieces back and
forth. This does assume if you leave the goose or fox alone they won't
run away.