good cycling backpacks?

Have you considered securing a standard backpack to the seatpost with
bungee cords? With a bit of fiddling, I'm sure I could construct a
stable package resting on the rack.

Janaki said:

Hello,

For quite some time now, I've been riding a pretty standard Trek
Navigator 200 to and from the train station nearest my house every day
in order to commute to work. The main reason I wasn't taking my Trek
along with me on the train was that this particular train system
(Metra, in Illinois) only allows folding bikes, so I'd just lock up
the bike via the very nice and secure BikeBank my train station has,
and commute the rest of the way via a combination of Metra, CTA, and
of course my own two feet on pavement.

In recent time, I did a bunch of research and figured out exactly what
sort of time AND money I could save myself (in addition to getting
some nice exercise) by getting myself a folding bike and using a
combination of that and Metra in order to do my commute. In the end,
I decided upon a Dahon Piccolo D3, which has 16" wheels. (Some people
have issues with the ride comfort of 16" wheels, but as I'm not really
a very big person, they actually suit me just fine. It's also easier
for me to maneuver the bike when folded and inside its bag with the
smaller wheels, and I really like the handling and how tight and
precise it is.)

I was looking forward to exploring the wide world of quality
waterproof panniers for this bike, but unfortunately, the rack that
came with it sits right above the rear mudguard, and is thusly quite
low to the ground. Any panniers that would carry what I need to carry
(generally a lunch, my Polar Bottle filled with water, my CD player,
cell phone and a few other small accoutrements, a book, and any
textbooks or other papers I have from either school or work) are all
too big to work on my bike, and saddlebags and rack boxes are too
small to hold what I need. Since obtaining this bike, I've been
dropping ballast out of my "daily necessities" bag left and right, but
I can't get around the fact that as a full-time worker and part-time
student, I'm going to need to carry textbooks in addition to my daily
necessities, which automatically means I need something rather sturdy
and larger than anything other than some nice panniers or a backpack.

This, of course, means I'm looking into a backpack. I've been reading
all I can about various backpacks/daypacks, and the problem I've
always had with using a regular sort of studenty backpack (such as a
standard leather-bottomed Jansport) is that my back gets horribly
sweaty, and the bag gets horribly sweaty, and if you throw the bag in
the washer, the waterproofing is ruined. When I purchased a laptop a
few years ago, I ended up also purchasing a Willow Designs pack, and
discovered the wonder of their harness with sternum and waist straps
that made their bag the most comfortable I've ever carried. I
promptly wrote them a gushing love letter, exclaiming over how I was
often finding myself loading my regular items *without* my laptop into
the bag and using it as a regular backpack, just because it did so
much good for my back. Still, it has that sweaty back problem.

As it stands, I seem to be deciding between Ortlieb and Deuter. I've
been reading promising things about Vaude searching through previous
threads in this forum; are they still sold in the US? REI doesn't
seem to stock them anymore, which is where most people who've spoken
of them in this forum seem to have obtained them.

I haven't had an opportunity to try Ortlieb or Deuter daypacks in
person, and think it far more likely that I'll be able to try a Deuter
bag out before buying than an Ortlieb.

The thing I like most about the Ortlieb packs is how completely
waterproof they are. The suspension/ventilation system on the back
looks okay, but the thing that's pushing me into looking more closely
at the Deuter packs is in fact their suspension/ventilation systems.

Any advice, particularly from people who've got one/both of these? I
haven't tied myself down to a specific model from either brand,
although I'm leaning toward the X-Cursion if I do go with Ortlieb.
Many Deuter bags have the added bonus of a hydration system, which is
also something interesting and new for me to consider. It's not
absolutely necessary with the sort of commute I do now, but I would
like to go explore trails around where I live (on my non-folding bike)
at some point in the not-too-distant future, so that could come in
very handy indeed.

--
Bob Wheeler --- http://www.bobwheeler.com/
ECHIP, Inc. ---
Randomness comes in bunches.

Currently, I've got a bag I've been lashing onto the rack via some very
strong buckles (with nice red reflectors on) and nylon straps; one goes
through the top handle of the bag and through the saddle loops, and two
more go through the straps on the bag and bits of the back of the rack.

The problem with this system is that it's not fast enough. There are SQR
bags that Carradice makes that would be very quick, but they're not big
enough.

Hence, going back to a backpack, but trying to go with one more suited to
my needs than what I've currently got. 🙂

Bob Wheeler said:

Have you considered securing a standard backpack to the seatpost with
bungee cords? With a bit of fiddling, I'm sure I could construct a
stable package resting on the rack.

Janaki said:

Hello,

For quite some time now, I've been riding a pretty standard Trek
Navigator 200 to and from the train station nearest my house every day
in order to commute to work. The main reason I wasn't taking my Trek
along with me on the train was that this particular train system
(Metra, in Illinois) only allows folding bikes, so I'd just lock up
the bike via the very nice and secure BikeBank my train station has,
and commute the rest of the way via a combination of Metra, CTA, and
of course my own two feet on pavement.

In recent time, I did a bunch of research and figured out exactly what
sort of time AND money I could save myself (in addition to getting
some nice exercise) by getting myself a folding bike and using a
combination of that and Metra in order to do my commute. In the end,
I decided upon a Dahon Piccolo D3, which has 16" wheels. (Some people
have issues with the ride comfort of 16" wheels, but as I'm not really
a very big person, they actually suit me just fine. It's also easier
for me to maneuver the bike when folded and inside its bag with the
smaller wheels, and I really like the handling and how tight and
precise it is.)

I was looking forward to exploring the wide world of quality
waterproof panniers for this bike, but unfortunately, the rack that
came with it sits right above the rear mudguard, and is thusly quite
low to the ground. Any panniers that would carry what I need to carry
(generally a lunch, my Polar Bottle filled with water, my CD player,
cell phone and a few other small accoutrements, a book, and any
textbooks or other papers I have from either school or work) are all
too big to work on my bike, and saddlebags and rack boxes are too
small to hold what I need. Since obtaining this bike, I've been
dropping ballast out of my "daily necessities" bag left and right, but
I can't get around the fact that as a full-time worker and part-time
student, I'm going to need to carry textbooks in addition to my daily
necessities, which automatically means I need something rather sturdy
and larger than anything other than some nice panniers or a backpack.

This, of course, means I'm looking into a backpack. I've been reading
all I can about various backpacks/daypacks, and the problem I've
always had with using a regular sort of studenty backpack (such as a
standard leather-bottomed Jansport) is that my back gets horribly
sweaty, and the bag gets horribly sweaty, and if you throw the bag in
the washer, the waterproofing is ruined. When I purchased a laptop a
few years ago, I ended up also purchasing a Willow Designs pack, and
discovered the wonder of their harness with sternum and waist straps
that made their bag the most comfortable I've ever carried. I
promptly wrote them a gushing love letter, exclaiming over how I was
often finding myself loading my regular items *without* my laptop into
the bag and using it as a regular backpack, just because it did so
much good for my back. Still, it has that sweaty back problem.

As it stands, I seem to be deciding between Ortlieb and Deuter. I've
been reading promising things about Vaude searching through previous
threads in this forum; are they still sold in the US? REI doesn't
seem to stock them anymore, which is where most people who've spoken
of them in this forum seem to have obtained them.

I haven't had an opportunity to try Ortlieb or Deuter daypacks in
person, and think it far more likely that I'll be able to try a Deuter
bag out before buying than an Ortlieb.

The thing I like most about the Ortlieb packs is how completely
waterproof they are. The suspension/ventilation system on the back
looks okay, but the thing that's pushing me into looking more closely
at the Deuter packs is in fact their suspension/ventilation systems.

Any advice, particularly from people who've got one/both of these? I
haven't tied myself down to a specific model from either brand,
although I'm leaning toward the X-Cursion if I do go with Ortlieb.
Many Deuter bags have the added bonus of a hydration system, which is
also something interesting and new for me to consider. It's not
absolutely necessary with the sort of commute I do now, but I would
like to go explore trails around where I live (on my non-folding bike)
at some point in the not-too-distant future, so that could come in
very handy indeed.

--
Bob Wheeler --- http://www.bobwheeler.com/
ECHIP, Inc. ---
Randomness comes in bunches.

"Bob Wheeler" wrote Have you considered securing a standard backpack to the
seatpost with bungee cords?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And possibly supplemented by hanging a briefcase or other bag over the front
of the handlebars. I did that once on my 16" Dahon, and it seemed to work
well.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Randomness comes in bunches.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Punctuated randomness?

Well, besides the issue of meaning for this bike to save me time (and I do
have train schedules to take into account as well), another reason I'm
trying to get away from my current way of carrying stuff on my Dahon
(which I mentioned in my response to Bob Wheeler) is that the bag I'm
currently using is a bit much for my arm to handle. I've discovered
through trial and error that I don't like handheld bags/briefcases much,
because with the loads I tend to carry, they absolutely kill my arms. I
also don't care much for one-shoulder-type bags, because all I've tried
aren't very comfortable. Backpacks generally are more comfortable for me,
and refinements such as a good suspension/ventilation system and sternum
and waist straps would only make them moreso---hence my initial question.

Thanks for the suggestion, but it wouldn't quite work for me. 🙂

Leo Lichtman said:

"Bob Wheeler" wrote Have you considered securing a standard backpack to the
seatpost with bungee cords?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
And possibly supplemented by hanging a briefcase or other bag over the front
of the handlebars. I did that once on my 16" Dahon, and it seemed to work
well.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Randomness comes in bunches.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Punctuated randomness?

Hi,

Got the Deuter racer x air II myself when I decided to finally give up on
the train altogether and cycle the full 60Km return journey to/from work (I
used to take the train in and cycle home!). Works for me, nice light bag and
my back is well ventilated so doesn't get too sweaty. Has loads of pockets
for phone etc and will accomodate their hydratiuon system (which I haven't
tried). A worthwhile investment I think!

Regards

Colin.

<snip>

Quoted message said:

Any advice, particularly from people who've got one/both of these? I
haven't tied myself down to a specific model from either brand,
although I'm leaning toward the X-Cursion if I do go with Ortlieb.
Many Deuter bags have the added bonus of a hydration system, which is
also something interesting and new for me to consider. It's not
absolutely necessary with the sort of commute I do now, but I would
like to go explore trails around where I live (on my non-folding bike)
at some point in the not-too-distant future, so that could come in
very handy indeed.

Colin Swift said:

Got the Deuter racer x air II myself

second that. i gave mine to my sister but it's an excellent backpack,
definitely best in class.
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

Instead of a backpack, you might want to consider a courier bag. I find
that they sit lower on my body than a backpack, they don't constrict my
breathing as much as a backpack, and they are distinctly more comfortable
than a backpack in my own riding position. Mine rides on the back of my
hipbone when I ride, reducing sweaty back to a manageable level, and putting
less strain on my back muscles.

Patagonia makes several really nice models, the Critical Mass has ample room
for books, a laptop, extra clothing, etc., along with a water bottle pocket
on the outside. It has an excellent suspension

If the Critical Mass isn't big enough for you, there are a couple of
Canadian companies selling bags for bicycle couriers on the web. "Push The
EnVELOpe" and PAC Designs are two that I know of, they both make extremely
rugged bags that are big enough to hold a small child.

www.pushtheenvelope.com
www.pacdesigns.com
www.patagonia.com

HTH,
--
mark

I am considering getting panniers for my EZ-1 from
http://www.easyracers.com/ez_1_sc.htm and is has 16 and 20 inch wheels.
These might be the right size for your bike. Should you find a dealer
who sells the bike and would order the panniers and let you try them
that would be excellent.

Also, you might try talking to "Robert J. Matter" <rjmatter @
PRODIGY.NET> at Daley Plaza on the last friday of the month between
530pm and 600pm. He owns two folding bikes, and is president(?) of the
Chicago Folding Bike Society which meets twice a month at the Handlebar
(owned by bicyclists who met at group rides) at 2311(?) W North.
Bearded and likes yellow shirts for visibility. (Yellow shirt not
guaranteed). He is also leading efforts to allow bicycles on Metra and
to depave LSD Lake Shore Drive.

Then at 600pm, a group ride will start. With the thunderstorns in the
area, I would expect a small number of cyclists, under 1,000. When I
went April 30, it was raining and that was about how many we had.

Janaki said:

Hello,

For quite some time now, I've been riding a pretty standard Trek
Navigator 200 to and from the train station nearest my house every day
in order to commute to work. The main reason I wasn't taking my Trek
along with me on the train was that this particular train system
(Metra, in Illinois) only allows folding bikes, so I'd just lock up
the bike via the very nice and secure BikeBank my train station has,
and commute the rest of the way via a combination of Metra, CTA, and
of course my own two feet on pavement.

In recent time, I did a bunch of research and figured out exactly what
sort of time AND money I could save myself (in addition to getting
some nice exercise) by getting myself a folding bike and using a
combination of that and Metra in order to do my commute. In the end,
I decided upon a Dahon Piccolo D3, which has 16" wheels. (Some people
have issues with the ride comfort of 16" wheels, but as I'm not really
a very big person, they actually suit me just fine. It's also easier
for me to maneuver the bike when folded and inside its bag with the
smaller wheels, and I really like the handling and how tight and
precise it is.)

I was looking forward to exploring the wide world of quality
waterproof panniers for this bike, but unfortunately, the rack that
came with it sits right above the rear mudguard, and is thusly quite
low to the ground. Any panniers that would carry what I need to carry
(generally a lunch, my Polar Bottle filled with water, my CD player,
cell phone and a few other small accoutrements, a book, and any
textbooks or other papers I have from either school or work) are all
too big to work on my bike, and saddlebags and rack boxes are too
small to hold what I need. Since obtaining this bike, I've been
dropping ballast out of my "daily necessities" bag left and right, but
I can't get around the fact that as a full-time worker and part-time
student, I'm going to need to carry textbooks in addition to my daily
necessities, which automatically means I need something rather sturdy
and larger than anything other than some nice panniers or a backpack.

This, of course, means I'm looking into a backpack. I've been reading
all I can about various backpacks/daypacks, and the problem I've
always had with using a regular sort of studenty backpack (such as a
standard leather-bottomed Jansport) is that my back gets horribly
sweaty, and the bag gets horribly sweaty, and if you throw the bag in
the washer, the waterproofing is ruined. When I purchased a laptop a
few years ago, I ended up also purchasing a Willow Designs pack, and
discovered the wonder of their harness with sternum and waist straps
that made their bag the most comfortable I've ever carried. I
promptly wrote them a gushing love letter, exclaiming over how I was
often finding myself loading my regular items *without* my laptop into
the bag and using it as a regular backpack, just because it did so
much good for my back. Still, it has that sweaty back problem.

As it stands, I seem to be deciding between Ortlieb and Deuter. I've
been reading promising things about Vaude searching through previous
threads in this forum; are they still sold in the US? REI doesn't
seem to stock them anymore, which is where most people who've spoken
of them in this forum seem to have obtained them.

I haven't had an opportunity to try Ortlieb or Deuter daypacks in
person, and think it far more likely that I'll be able to try a Deuter
bag out before buying than an Ortlieb.

The thing I like most about the Ortlieb packs is how completely
waterproof they are. The suspension/ventilation system on the back
looks okay, but the thing that's pushing me into looking more closely
at the Deuter packs is in fact their suspension/ventilation systems.

Any advice, particularly from people who've got one/both of these? I
haven't tied myself down to a specific model from either brand,
although I'm leaning toward the X-Cursion if I do go with Ortlieb.
Many Deuter bags have the added bonus of a hydration system, which is
also something interesting and new for me to consider. It's not
absolutely necessary with the sort of commute I do now, but I would
like to go explore trails around where I live (on my non-folding bike)
at some point in the not-too-distant future, so that could come in
very handy indeed.

mark said:

Instead of a backpack, you might want to consider a courier bag. I find
that they sit lower on my body than a backpack, they don't constrict my
breathing as much as a backpack, and they are distinctly more comfortable
than a backpack in my own riding position. Mine rides on the back of my
hipbone when I ride, reducing sweaty back to a manageable level, and putting
less strain on my back muscles.

Patagonia makes several really nice models, the Critical Mass has ample room
for books, a laptop, extra clothing, etc., along with a water bottle pocket
on the outside. It has an excellent suspension

If the Critical Mass isn't big enough for you, there are a couple of
Canadian companies selling bags for bicycle couriers on the web. "Push The
EnVELOpe" and PAC Designs are two that I know of, they both make extremely
rugged bags that are big enough to hold a small child.

www.pushtheenvelope.com
www.pacdesigns.com
www.patagonia.com

HTH,

If you go the courier bag route, I really like my Timbuktu messenger
bag. They come in fours sizes, and believe me, you do not need the big
one! I handle the laptop problem by placing the computer in a laptop
sleeve. However, since you have textbooks I would not really recommend
the courier bag. Backpacks hold everything together quite well and
prevent the contents from shifting. The advantage to the messnger bag
is just what makes it bad for textbooks: it's just one big pocket where
you can shove everything.

mark said:

Quoted message said:

Instead of a backpack, you might want to consider a courier bag. I find
that they sit lower on my body than a backpack, they don't constrict my
breathing as much as a backpack, and they are distinctly more comfortable
than a backpack in my own riding position. Mine rides on the back of my
hipbone when I ride, reducing sweaty back to a manageable level, and putting
less strain on my back muscles.

Patagonia makes several really nice models, the Critical Mass has ample room
for books, a laptop, extra clothing, etc., along with a water bottle pocket
on the outside. It has an excellent suspension

If the Critical Mass isn't big enough for you, there are a couple of
Canadian companies selling bags for bicycle couriers on the web. "Push The
EnVELOpe" and PAC Designs are two that I know of, they both make extremely
rugged bags that are big enough to hold a small child.

www.pushtheenvelope.com
www.pacdesigns.com
www.patagonia.com

HTH,

I might look into those, but in general, I find I'm more
comfortable and the weight is distrubuted better on my back being situated
across both shoulders rather than just one. That's the main reason I'm
not overly keen on a standard messenger bag, although I was looking into
those as well. Because I'm going to have to carry textbooks, though, I
think I'll still stick with backpacks. Thanks for the info and the links,
though---those do look quite superb if one is going to go the courier
bag route!

Collin said:

If you go the courier bag route, I really like my Timbuktu messenger
bag. They come in fours sizes, and believe me, you do not need the big
one! I handle the laptop problem by placing the computer in a laptop
sleeve. However, since you have textbooks I would not really recommend
the courier bag. Backpacks hold everything together quite well and
prevent the contents from shifting. The advantage to the messnger bag
is just what makes it bad for textbooks: it's just one big pocket where
you can shove everything.

Heh, I think I've seen people with some of those as well, although
usually not on bikes. As I haven't looked into those too greatly, I can't
say for sure what sizes I've personally seen. I'm probably not going to
go with a courier bag for exactly the reasons you mention above; it'd just
be too much and really bad on my back when I'm carrying textbooks
around. And I shudder to think what would happen on my trips to the
library. Thanks for the kind advice, though!

Mike Schwab said:

I am considering getting panniers for my EZ-1 from
http://www.easyracers.com/ez_1_sc.htm and is has 16 and 20 inch wheels.
These might be the right size for your bike. Should you find a dealer
who sells the bike and would order the panniers and let you try them
that would be excellent.

Hrrm, I'll have to check that out. Thanks muchly for the link and
the info! They may not be big enough for what I need, though...but
thanks, I didn't know about these.

Quoted message said:

Also, you might try talking to "Robert J. Matter" <rjmatter @
PRODIGY.NET> at Daley Plaza on the last friday of the month between
530pm and 600pm. He owns two folding bikes, and is president(?) of the
Chicago Folding Bike Society which meets twice a month at the Handlebar
(owned by bicyclists who met at group rides) at 2311(?) W North.
Bearded and likes yellow shirts for visibility. (Yellow shirt not
guaranteed). He is also leading efforts to allow bicycles on Metra and
to depave LSD Lake Shore Drive.

Then at 600pm, a group ride will start. With the thunderstorns in the
area, I would expect a small number of cyclists, under 1,000. When I
went April 30, it was raining and that was about how many we had.

Where does the group usually ride to, and how long do these
rides last? I don't know that I'll really be able to make it---I live
rather far away, which is part of the reason I decided I'd had enough with
depending on the unreliable CTA, plus my hours changed at work, and I
really did want to stop getting home at 8:30/9PM every night after leaving
work around 5. My folding bike has cut my overlong commute down
considerably (now it's only 2 hours each way; to some people, that
probably seems a lot anyway, but it's much better than 2.5 hours each
way!), in addition to providing excellent exercise and overall being
something I'm really enjoying, and it would be cool to meet up, but I just
don't know about doing it on a Friday after work, since I live so far
away. If I lived in the city, or closer to it, I'd probably be up for it,
though!

I heard something recently from another person at work who cycles
about 16 miles to and from work each day, who was telling me Metra's one
of the only public transit lines in the US that doesn't allow full-sized
bikes on. He said that even the public transit system in LA allows
them. If they did, I'd have been taking my bike to work long before
obtaining a folding one---while I do enjoy my folding bike, and it's nice
to be able to stash it under my desk and take it with me wherever I go,
I'd never have *needed* to get one if standard bikes were allowed on
Metra. At the same time, they'd have to have some sort of redesign to the
cars to allow standard bikes on---there's really not anywhere good to put
one with the way those trains are laid out internally at present, save for
where handicapped persons are meant to be able to sit, but of course that
shouldn't be compromised, either.

David Reuteler said:

Colin Swift said:

Got the Deuter racer x air II myself

second that. i gave mine to my sister but it's an excellent backpack,
definitely best in class.

Thanks for the input! Have either of you had occasion to use it
in heavy precipitation? I was leaning a bit more toward the Deuter ones
because I really like what I'm reading/seeing about their suspension (I'm
trying to locate a dealer around here so I can go try their bags on in
person; unfortunately, I can say that REI does not stock them in their
stores, only via their online one :P), and the way the bags are laid out
seems quite thoughtful, and the hydration system seems nice as
well. Hydration system won't make or break a bag for me, but it's a good
option to consider, as I'm quite sure I'd use it---I already carry around
my Polar Bottle filled with ice water at all times, and refill it several
times a day while at work. The only thing that concerns me as a commuter
about the Deuter is the efficacy of the rain cover, which is where the
Ortlieb ones look most attractive in their waterproofness.

"Colin Swift" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi,

Got the Deuter racer x air II

I don't see that model on Deuter's web site.

http://www.deuter.com

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Janaki L Jitchotvisut said:

Thanks for the input! Have either of you had occasion to use it
in heavy precipitation?

mine had a waterproof cover that packed away into a little pocket .. it
worked reasonably well.

Quoted message said:

I was leaning a bit more toward the Deuter ones
because I really like what I'm reading/seeing about their suspension

the suspension makes that bag imo the best backpack out there. it really
does work pretty well.

Quoted message said:

times a day while at work. The only thing that concerns me as a commuter
about the Deuter is the efficacy of the rain cover, which is where the
Ortlieb ones look most attractive in their waterproofness.

yea, i'm sure the ortlieb would be better in the rain .. but the deuter was
good enuf for me (i was in minneapolis, tho, not portland) and, well, i
*REALLY* liked the suspension.

did i mention the suspension?
--
david reuteler
[email hidden]

DRS said:

Quoted message said:

Got the Deuter racer x air II

I don't see that model on Deuter's web site.

http://www.deuter.com

products -> bike -> next (to 2/4) -> upper right Race X Air II

http://tinyurl.com/6oy4l

i had the 2001 version of the Race X Air.
--
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[email hidden]

"David Reuteler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

DRS said:

Quoted message said:

Got the Deuter racer x air II

I don't see that model on Deuter's web site.

http://www.deuter.com

products -> bike -> next (to 2/4) -> upper right Race X Air II

http://tinyurl.com/6oy4l

i had the 2001 version of the Race X Air.

Aargh! Thank you, I'd completely missed the "next" graphic.

Now, when it says it's compatible with Deuter's hydration system does that
just mean you can buy the appropriate bladder and whack it in? Does it
leave room for anything else?

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DRS said:

Now, when it says it's compatible with Deuter's hydration system does that
just mean you can buy the appropriate bladder and whack it in? Does it
leave room for anything else?

i'm speaking for my old deuter race x air. the main compartment had a sleeve
in the back where the bladder slid in along with routing for the tube. it
didn't leave a whole lot of room for anything else (when filled with water)
but it was a pretty small backpack to begin with. i stuffed in a change of
clothes, discman, food and some tools. the front pocket of course was still
there.

the size was the main reason i got rid of it, actually. i use a chrome
bag metropolis messenger bag now which is a fair bit more durable and
waterproof than the deuter (hell, the thing is a damn tank) but i do miss
the suspension.
--
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[email hidden]

DRS said:

"Colin Swift" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Hi,

Got the Deuter racer x air II

I don't see that model on Deuter's web site.

http://www.deuter.com

it's right here:

http://deuterusa.com/Product/Hydration/RXA2.htm

David Reuteler said:

mine had a waterproof cover that packed away into a little pocket .. it
worked reasonably well.

I've read about those a bit, but did want to hear of personal
experiences with them. Thanks.

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I was leaning a bit more toward the Deuter ones
because I really like what I'm reading/seeing about their suspension

the suspension makes that bag imo the best backpack out there. it really
does work pretty well.

I'm glad to hear it's as good as it looks, then---and ventilation
for your back was good, too?

I've found a store around here that carries Deuter packs, although
not what I've been most interested in. Still, I want to go try a few on
and see what this suspension is all about in person!

http://www.uncledansonline.com/

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times a day while at work. The only thing that concerns me as a commuter
about the Deuter is the efficacy of the rain cover, which is where the
Ortlieb ones look most attractive in their waterproofness.

yea, i'm sure the ortlieb would be better in the rain .. but the deuter was
good enuf for me (i was in minneapolis, tho, not portland) and, well, i
*REALLY* liked the suspension.

I'm in Chicago (which I think I mentioned), which also isn't
Portland---actually, I've got a quite nice ShedRain umbrella (developed in
Oregon! 🙂 ) that is unbelievable, but I'm sure it's not nearly getting
the sort of workout that went into its development. Still, nothing's much
use when it's raining horizontally. The raincover might be enough, with
that suspension...

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did i mention the suspension?

Suspension? What's that? 🙂

Quite seriously, I think I've narrowed it down sufficiently and am
now between the Deuter Trans Alpine 30 and the Ortlieb X-Cursion

http://deuterusa.com/Product/Hydration/TransAlpine30.htm

or

http://www.ortliebusa.com/cartgenie/prodInfo.asp?pid=17&cid=2

(Also I've found that Ortlieb quite a bit cheaper elsewhere, so
it's more in line with the price of the Deuter.)

I'm leaning more towards the Deuter now, though, I have to say...