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  1. I've been lusting after a Rohloff for longer than my wife cares to
    remember. For those that don't know a Rohloff is a gearing system which
    is internal to the hub. Sheldon Brown explains it better than I can.
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rohloff.html

    I'm a pretty good customer of Brunswick Street Cycles and they've got a
    demo bike kitted out with a Rohloff. It's a Norco Fireball kitted out
    with short handlebars and two finger V brakes. I went to pick it up
    after work on Friday, should have phoned ahead because it wasn't back yet.

    While waiting I did what most bike geeks do and started chatting to the
    mechanics about bikes :-) As it happens a newly converted new bike was
    waiting to be picked up, a very nice Cannondale job called the
    Cannondale Street which had just undergone the Rohloff treatment.
    http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/06/CUSA/model-6SRM.html Looked really
    nice :-)

    Twenty minutes or so passed and a couple came in to the shop, one
    astride my machine for the weekend and the other astride the male
    version of the Cannondale Street which had also undergone the Rohloff
    treatment http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/06/CUSA/model-6SR.html . Mmm,
    nice :-)

    So after fitting pedals, saddle bag and lights I adjusted the saddle and
    it was off on the mean streets of Melbourne to Goat. I was quickly
    impressed by the handling of the bike, the Norco's quite a nice ride.
    The handlebars were a little narrower than I'm used to which made for
    some pretty sensitive steering and I'm not sold on the brake levers
    being angled down so much but all in all for a loaner a pretty good fit.

    Control of the shifting's by means of a grip shifter on the right hand
    side. I found it a little un-intuitive, to go up a gear you roll the
    shifter froward and to go down you roll it back. I'd expected it to be
    the other way around and it caught me out a few times; don't know why
    that is.

    Changing was precise and intuitive. There's a real sense of freedom
    knowing you can stop, shift down four gears and then go again with no
    problem. You do have to back off the pedalling pressure a bit when
    changing but as I do that anyway on a derailleur system I didn't find
    that too difficult.

    I was initially a bit concerned about the ring and cog that had been
    selected, it seemed to be stupidly low in the low gear. Mind you I was
    running slicks in an urban environment; hardly conditions to properly
    test low gears.

    Goat was as Goat is with much discussion of bike bling and not so bling
    with the inevitable intrusion of geek computer talk. Naturally I was as
    excited as a new born puppy about my borrowed toy and it did form the
    basis of much conversation. At the end of the evening Bikesoiler and
    Pete had a quick burn up and down the street before I packed it in to
    the car for driving home. First time I've seen my front flasher from
    off the bike and I was pleased with what I saw.

    This morning while Suzie was off doing womanly stuff I set about
    swapping tires on both her commuter bike and the Norco. I did the three
    easy wheels first and then set about tackling the Rohloff. Rather than
    a quick release skewer it was back to old fashioned nuts and bolts. Now
    where did I put my spanners? Once done I was then confronted with how
    to disconnect the gear changing controls. A quick googowoogle showed
    that it was as simple as undoing a thumb screw. Sweet!

    Once suitably shod with knobby tires I took the Norco out for a little
    bit of off road fun locally. There's nothing particularly challenging
    about the local fare but there is a little bit of a dip with steep
    banks. I stuffed up going up one side by going the wrong way with the
    gears however it wasn't disastrous as even with all my momentum lost a
    rapid twist of the shifter in the opposite direction saw me near enough
    instantly in the right gear. Try doing that with a derailieur system!

    It's hard to judge comparative efficiency of the drive train as the
    Norco, good as it is, isn't a patch on my Rocky. All told though I had
    no complaints about how the gears performed. Now that I've run it with
    knobbies I reckon the chosen chain ring and cog is correct. I'm looking
    forward to giving it a run at Lysty tomorrow.

    My feelings so far is that it'll be a fantastic choice for a high
    mileage commuting bike (like wot I do) but I'm not sure it'll translate
    well to mountain biking. I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:


    Control of the shifting's by means of a grip shifter on the right hand
    side. I found it a little un-intuitive, to go up a gear you roll the
    shifter froward and to go down you roll it back. I'd expected it to be
    the other way around and it caught me out a few times; don't know why
    that is.

    Changing was precise and intuitive. There's a real sense of freedom
    knowing you can stop, shift down four gears and then go again with no
    problem. You do have to back off the pedalling pressure a bit when
    changing but as I do that anyway on a derailleur system I didn't find
    that too difficult.

    Got to agree, a bike I've hired in Germany had a 7 speed Sach's hub -
    worked nicely.
    It too had a twist grip shifter and I always went the wrong way with it.
    Ditto flipping gears when stopped.

    Does the Rohlff have a coaster brake? I found that was the most annoying
    thing coming to a stop with the pedals in not the right spot and you
    couldn't spin them back around. Soon learnt to stop with pedals
    appropriately aligned.

    For a commuter bike these hub gears would be great, chuck a daggy
    chainguard on and you could keep the driveline running pretty cleanly in
    horrid weather.

    Ray

  3. Ray said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:

    Control of the shifting's by means of a grip shifter on the right hand
    side. I found it a little un-intuitive, to go up a gear you roll the
    shifter froward and to go down you roll it back. I'd expected it to be
    the other way around and it caught me out a few times; don't know why
    that is.

    Changing was precise and intuitive. There's a real sense of freedom
    knowing you can stop, shift down four gears and then go again with no
    problem. You do have to back off the pedalling pressure a bit when
    changing but as I do that anyway on a derailleur system I didn't find
    that too difficult.

    Got to agree, a bike I've hired in Germany had a 7 speed Sach's hub -
    worked nicely.
    It too had a twist grip shifter and I always went the wrong way with it.
    Ditto flipping gears when stopped.

    Looking at the mechanism it looks like that can be easily fixed. Not
    mine so I'm not fiddling too much.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the Rohlff have a coaster brake? I found that was the most annoying
    thing coming to a stop with the pedals in not the right spot and you
    couldn't spin them back around. Soon learnt to stop with pedals
    appropriately aligned.

    No, stopping's catered for by V brakes, really good ones too.

    Quoted message said:

    For a commuter bike these hub gears would be great, chuck a daggy
    chainguard on and you could keep the driveline running pretty cleanly in
    horrid weather.

    That's one of my plans :-)
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  4. I too have been lusting after a Raven (Rohloff equipped toured from SJS
    in the UK).
    However someone this year told me that if you lay them on their side all
    the oil runs out of the hub. Not real good for plane or car travel! Is
    this an urban myth?

    jack Russell

    Euan said:

    I've been lusting after a Rohloff for longer than my wife cares to
    remember. For those that don't know a Rohloff is a gearing system which
    is internal to the hub. Sheldon Brown explains it better than I can.
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rohloff.html

    I'm a pretty good customer of Brunswick Street Cycles and they've got a
    demo bike kitted out with a Rohloff. It's a Norco Fireball kitted out
    with short handlebars and two finger V brakes. I went to pick it up
    after work on Friday, should have phoned ahead because it wasn't back yet.

    While waiting I did what most bike geeks do and started chatting to the
    mechanics about bikes :-) As it happens a newly converted new bike was
    waiting to be picked up, a very nice Cannondale job called the
    Cannondale Street which had just undergone the Rohloff treatment.
    http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/06/CUSA/model-6SRM.html Looked really
    nice :-)

    Twenty minutes or so passed and a couple came in to the shop, one
    astride my machine for the weekend and the other astride the male
    version of the Cannondale Street which had also undergone the Rohloff
    treatment http://www.cannondale.com/bikes/06/CUSA/model-6SR.html . Mmm,
    nice :-)

    So after fitting pedals, saddle bag and lights I adjusted the saddle and
    it was off on the mean streets of Melbourne to Goat. I was quickly
    impressed by the handling of the bike, the Norco's quite a nice ride.
    The handlebars were a little narrower than I'm used to which made for
    some pretty sensitive steering and I'm not sold on the brake levers
    being angled down so much but all in all for a loaner a pretty good fit.

    Control of the shifting's by means of a grip shifter on the right hand
    side. I found it a little un-intuitive, to go up a gear you roll the
    shifter froward and to go down you roll it back. I'd expected it to be
    the other way around and it caught me out a few times; don't know why
    that is.

    Changing was precise and intuitive. There's a real sense of freedom
    knowing you can stop, shift down four gears and then go again with no
    problem. You do have to back off the pedalling pressure a bit when
    changing but as I do that anyway on a derailleur system I didn't find
    that too difficult.

    I was initially a bit concerned about the ring and cog that had been
    selected, it seemed to be stupidly low in the low gear. Mind you I was
    running slicks in an urban environment; hardly conditions to properly
    test low gears.

    Goat was as Goat is with much discussion of bike bling and not so bling
    with the inevitable intrusion of geek computer talk. Naturally I was as
    excited as a new born puppy about my borrowed toy and it did form the
    basis of much conversation. At the end of the evening Bikesoiler and
    Pete had a quick burn up and down the street before I packed it in to
    the car for driving home. First time I've seen my front flasher from
    off the bike and I was pleased with what I saw.

    This morning while Suzie was off doing womanly stuff I set about
    swapping tires on both her commuter bike and the Norco. I did the three
    easy wheels first and then set about tackling the Rohloff. Rather than
    a quick release skewer it was back to old fashioned nuts and bolts. Now
    where did I put my spanners? Once done I was then confronted with how
    to disconnect the gear changing controls. A quick googowoogle showed
    that it was as simple as undoing a thumb screw. Sweet!

    Once suitably shod with knobby tires I took the Norco out for a little
    bit of off road fun locally. There's nothing particularly challenging
    about the local fare but there is a little bit of a dip with steep
    banks. I stuffed up going up one side by going the wrong way with the
    gears however it wasn't disastrous as even with all my momentum lost a
    rapid twist of the shifter in the opposite direction saw me near enough
    instantly in the right gear. Try doing that with a derailieur system!

    It's hard to judge comparative efficiency of the drive train as the
    Norco, good as it is, isn't a patch on my Rocky. All told though I had
    no complaints about how the gears performed. Now that I've run it with
    knobbies I reckon the chosen chain ring and cog is correct. I'm looking
    forward to giving it a run at Lysty tomorrow.

    My feelings so far is that it'll be a fantastic choice for a high
    mileage commuting bike (like wot I do) but I'm not sure it'll translate
    well to mountain biking. I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

    --
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  5. Jack Russell said:

    I too have been lusting after a Raven (Rohloff equipped toured from SJS
    in the UK).
    However someone this year told me that if you lay them on their side all
    the oil runs out of the hub. Not real good for plane or car travel! Is
    this an urban myth?

    Seems like it is a misinterpretation of the actual risk (see link below). You have to remove bits and then lay the hub on it's side. Unlikely in routine use.

    --
    Cheers
    Peter

    ~~~ ~ _@
    ~~ ~ _- \,
    ~~ (*)/ (*)

    From the SJS website
    http://www.sjscycles.com/thornwebsite/thornpdf/ThornLivingWithARohloff.pdf:
    Living with a Speedhub

    Known problems

    with Rohloff hubs

    As mentioned earlier in this article, there has

    never been a case of a Rohloff hub's internals

    failing.

    Some of the early hubs did leak a little oil, in

    most of these instances, after examination,

    Rohloff discovered that the hubs still contained

    far in excess of the recommended 25ml of oil...

    well-meaning owners had thought that " if 25ml

    of oil is good, then 50ml of oil must be better"

    Actually the hubs do not need more than 12 to

    15ml... but they must have 12ml!

    Rohloff have modifi ed the seals and, when the

    correct quantity of oil is used, leaks should only

    occur when the sprocket on one side or the axle

    ring assembly on the other are removed and the

    hub is also laid down on that side.

  6. "Euan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been lusting after a Rohloff for longer than my wife cares to
    remember. For those that don't know a Rohloff is a gearing system which
    is internal to the hub. Sheldon Brown explains it better than I can.
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rohloff.html

    I'm a pretty good customer of Brunswick Street Cycles and they've got a
    demo bike kitted out with a Rohloff. It's a Norco Fireball kitted out
    with short handlebars and two finger V brakes. I went to pick it up after
    work on Friday

    OOOH! You lucky thing Euan. How long will you be able to use it?

    Quoted message said:


    This morning while Suzie was off doing womanly stuff I set about swapping
    tires on both her commuter bike and the Norco. I did the three easy
    wheels first and then set about tackling the Rohloff. Rather than a quick
    release skewer it was back to old fashioned nuts and bolts. Now where did
    I put my spanners?

    That's a shame. According to the info on SJS's site Rohloff do make
    Speedhubs with quick release as well.

    Have lots of fun with the cool loaner bike!

    --
    Cheers
    Peter

    ~~~ ~ _@
    ~~ ~ _- \,
    ~~ (*)/ (*)

  7. Peter Signorini said:

    "Euan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    I've been lusting after a Rohloff for longer than my wife cares to
    remember. For those that don't know a Rohloff is a gearing system which
    is internal to the hub. Sheldon Brown explains it better than I can.
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rohloff.html

    I'm a pretty good customer of Brunswick Street Cycles and they've got a
    demo bike kitted out with a Rohloff. It's a Norco Fireball kitted out
    with short handlebars and two finger V brakes. I went to pick it up after
    work on Friday

    OOOH! You lucky thing Euan. How long will you be able to use it?

    Just the weekend, I'm not greedy ;-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    This morning while Suzie was off doing womanly stuff I set about swapping
    tires on both her commuter bike and the Norco. I did the three easy
    wheels first and then set about tackling the Rohloff. Rather than a quick
    release skewer it was back to old fashioned nuts and bolts. Now where did
    I put my spanners?

    That's a shame. According to the info on SJS's site Rohloff do make
    Speedhubs with quick release as well.

    Yeah, when I get one it'll be a quick release one.

    Quoted message said:

    Have lots of fun with the cool loaner bike!

    Am doing :-)
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  8. "Euan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Control of the shifting's by means of a grip shifter on the right hand side. I found it a little
    un-intuitive, to go up a gear you roll the shifter froward and to go down you roll it back. I'd
    expected it to be the other way around and it caught me out a few times; don't know why that is.

    I've got the Shimano 8-speed hub and find the shift grip feels backwards on that. Twist the wrist
    up to change down (towards 1st gear, pulling on gear cable), and twist the wrist down to change up
    (towards 8). Which way does a motor bike throttle go?

    The push button shifter is just as confusing. It is on the right hand side and is opposite to a
    rear derailleur shifter.

    Quoted message said:

    Changing was precise and intuitive.

    Just wait until the gear cable stretches when new. The Shimano is probably slight more fiddly to
    adjust than a derailleur.

    Quoted message said:

    There's a real sense of freedom knowing you can stop, shift down four gears and then go again with
    no problem. You do have to back off the pedalling pressure a bit when changing but as I do that
    anyway on a derailleur system I didn't find that too difficult.

    Does it make nasty sounding noises if you change gears while pushing? Mine sounds like it would
    shorten the life of some teeth in the gear hub.

    Quoted message said:

    My feelings so far is that it'll be a fantastic choice for a high mileage commuting bike (like wot
    I do) but I'm not sure it'll translate well to mountain biking. I guess I'll find out tomorrow.

    I bought my Avanti Blade 8 as a commuter. It would be interesting to see what a 14 gear is like.
    The Shimano has 307% range in steps from 13.8 to 22%. The two 22% steps seems a bit large (1-2,
    5-6), while the top 13.8% step (7-8) seems a bit small. The Rohloff has a larger range of 526% in
    13.6% steps. That's a wide range. In ratios it goes up as high almost as high as the Shimano, but
    down a lot lower.

    I'm happy with the Shimano hub so far. Although I was cursing it a bit when I was fixing the first
    flat, until I figured out how to attach and detach the gear cable from the hub.

  9. "Euan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Control of the shifting's by means of a grip shifter on the right hand
    side.

    I'd love a hub gear, but cannot really adapt to the thought of grip
    shifters. I like my drop bars wiith either campag (or even shimano)
    brifters, or downtube shifters. I wish there was a workaround or third party
    solution...maybe there is, but I sure haven't discovered it.

    Cheers
    David M

  10. davidm said:

    "Euan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Control of the shifting's by means of a grip shifter on the right hand
    side.

    I'd love a hub gear, but cannot really adapt to the thought of grip
    shifters. I like my drop bars wiith either campag (or even shimano)
    brifters, or downtube shifters. I wish there was a workaround or third party
    solution...maybe there is, but I sure haven't discovered it.

    Cheers
    David M


    I think SJS do a drop bar version, take a look at their web site

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  11. Ray said:

    Got to agree, a bike I've hired in Germany had a 7 speed
    Sach's hub - worked nicely.
    It too had a twist grip shifter and I always went the wrong
    way with it. Ditto flipping gears when stopped.

    I've got a Sachs S7, and I thought the twist direction was
    intuitive. I've put 20,000 km up on it now, and I don't
    remember ever changing in the wrong direction.

    Quoted message said:

    Does the Rohlff have a coaster brake? I found that was the
    most annoying thing coming to a stop with the pedals in not
    the right spot and you couldn't spin them back around. Soon
    learnt to stop with pedals appropriately aligned.

    Agreed about coaster (back pedal) brakes. I bought mine with a
    cable-operated drum brake.

    Quoted message said:

    For a commuter bike these hub gears would be great, chuck a
    daggy chainguard on and you could keep the driveline running
    pretty cleanly in horrid weather.

    Does anyone know if a Rohloff setup is available here in
    Australia fitted to an MTB or hybrid? I'll eventually need to
    replace the Sachs, and would prefer a bit more gear range. I'd
    also like a bike with horizontal drop outs (like my present
    hybrid) to allow adjustment of chain tension, rather than use a
    chain tensioner.

    John

  12. John Henderson said:

    Does anyone know if a Rohloff setup is available here in Australia
    fitted to an MTB or hybrid?

    99% sure nothing's available as stock, but there are quite a few places
    that can set something up for you. The cost of the hub means that it's
    really in the realm of the enthusiast who will probably have Views About
    Set Up. You'd want sliding dropouts to avoid needing a tensioner, although
    a dual suspension bike would probably need a tensioner in any case. Many
    of the singlespeed boutique frames [1] would be perfect.

    Note that I'm ignoring GT's downhill bike that uses a Rohloff mounted in
    the frame - unless it's another similar gearbox.

    [1] Yes I'm looking at you Parbs!
    --
    Dave Hughes | [email hidden]
    Brooker's Law: "The wackier the project, the easier it is to fund."

  13. davidm said:

    I'd love a hub gear, but cannot really adapt to the thought of grip
    shifters. I like my drop bars wiith either campag (or even shimano)
    brifters, or downtube shifters. I wish there was a workaround or
    third party solution...maybe there is, but I sure haven't discovered
    it.

    I agree. The one thing that sucks about my Blade 8 are the flat handlebars. Hub gears would be much better if there were decent (drop bar compatible) shifters for them.

    Having said that though, hub gears are _perfect_ for commuting.

    Cheers,

    Suzy

  14. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden]
    says...

    Quoted message said:
    Ray said:

    Got to agree, a bike I've hired in Germany had a 7 speed
    Sach's hub - worked nicely.
    It too had a twist grip shifter and I always went the wrong
    way with it. Ditto flipping gears when stopped.

    I've got a Sachs S7, and I thought the twist direction was
    intuitive. I've put 20,000 km up on it now, and I don't
    remember ever changing in the wrong direction.

    John


    As for twist direction, the shifter was on the RHS.
    From memory, when you twisted forward, the gears went down to a higher
    cadence.
    Not that I have ridden many motorbikes, but I'd expect this twist action
    to be the same as opening the throttle, so I personally would expect the
    gearing to rise so you can go faster for the same spin rate...

    Likewise, twisting back feels right for me to make the pedalling easier.

    YMMV. 🙂

    If you swapped the shifter to the left, the twist action would suit, but
    I'd imagine the selector dial would now be facing down.

    As for handlebars, the machine I rode was a sit bolt upright machine.
    Not my preffered choice, but it still let me explore the countryside
    doing the most enjoyable pasttime around 🙂

    Ray

  15. Does anyone know anything about this guy"

    http://www.velosmith.com.au/juta.html

    Random Data said:
    John Henderson said:

    Does anyone know if a Rohloff setup is available here in Australia
    fitted to an MTB or hybrid?

    99% sure nothing's available as stock, but there are quite a few places
    that can set something up for you. The cost of the hub means that it's
    really in the realm of the enthusiast who will probably have Views About
    Set Up. You'd want sliding dropouts to avoid needing a tensioner, although
    a dual suspension bike would probably need a tensioner in any case. Many
    of the singlespeed boutique frames [1] would be perfect.

    Note that I'm ignoring GT's downhill bike that uses a Rohloff mounted in
    the frame - unless it's another similar gearbox.

    [1] Yes I'm looking at you Parbs!

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  16. davidm said:

    "Euan" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Control of the shifting's by means of a grip shifter on the right hand
    side.

    I'd love a hub gear, but cannot really adapt to the thought of grip
    shifters. I like my drop bars wiith either campag (or even shimano)
    brifters, or downtube shifters. I wish there was a workaround or third party
    solution...maybe there is, but I sure haven't discovered it.

    There's the HubBub bar end adapter
    http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/rohloff.html That should work quite well.
    --
    Cheers
    Euan

  17. Random Data said:


    Note that I'm ignoring GT's downhill bike that uses a Rohloff mounted in
    the frame - unless it's another similar gearbox.

    Does it use a Rohloff - I thought it used a Shimano box?

    Parbs

  18. Parbs said:

    Does it use a Rohloff - I thought it used a Shimano box?

    Could do. Like I said, I was ignoring that.
    In fact, I just looked it up and it uses a Nexus 8sp. So does at least one
    of Cannondale's bikes

    --
    Dave Hughes | [email hidden]
    Good Night Wesley, see you tomorrow.
    I'll most likely kill you in the morning

  19. Russell Lang said:


    Does it make nasty sounding noises if you change gears while pushing? Mine sounds like it would
    shorten the life of some teeth in the gear hub.

    Don't know too much about gears but I'll throw in my 5 cents worth
    anyways. Growing up in Denmark Internal gears were pretty par for the
    course in my neighbourhood, buying a bike with more than 3 gears was an
    enthusiast thing, and they all had Internal shimano hubs.. Except for
    the cheaper Suntour stuff ;O)

    Anyways the Bike shops used to always give huge lectures on how you
    shouldn't be changing gears on an internal hub while pushing. As it is
    indeed supposed to significantly shorten the life of the hub.

    Whether this is still the case and if so whether this is the case with
    the dearer hubs I wouldn't know but that is what they said. And that is
    one of the reasons why the enthusiasts tended to steer clear of
    internal gears.

    Obviously the great advantage, as someone else mentioned, is that they
    are very low maintenance and handles slush and snow without much
    complaining... Not that that is much of an issue around here.

    Anyways, as mentioned, just my 5 cents worth, back to lurking now.

    -Rasmus

  20. quote='nebakke'Russell Lang said:


    Does it make nasty sounding noises if you change gears while pushing? Mine sounds like it would
    shorten the life of some teeth in the gear hub.

    Anyways the Bike shops used to always give huge lectures on how you
    shouldn't be changing gears on an internal hub while pushing. As it is
    indeed supposed to significantly shorten the life of the hub.
    [/QUOTE]

    It's not that I try to change gears while pushing, it's just that occasionally I accidently roll the grip shifter. It also happens more when the gear cable stretches and you haven't readjusted it properly.

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