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I am brand new to this group. I am currently 22 years old and weigh 298
pounds. I just started the Atkins Diet and am just wondering a few things. I
am going to go all out and cut nearly all carbs out for induction...if not
all. Then, I intend, even after induction to keep carbs to an absolute
minimum. I also plan to excersize daily and keep calories to a minimum..but
not so low that starvation kicks in. While starting all of this, will the
weight come off really fast? And if I keep myself doing this, will the
weight come off faster than if I started eating carbs again? I was just
curious to se what the initial weight loss can be when first starting the
Atkins Diet. Any input would be greatly appriciated. And by the way, my
target goal is about 180 lbs, and I want to do it as fast as possible.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

Hi John, welcome to the group!

It's not a good idea to cut carbs completely (not to mention nearly IMPOSSIBLE).
You NEED vegetables, especially for the fiber (constipation is quite common
during induction). The main purpose of Induction is to change your eating habits
and get your body into ketosis so that it starts burning fat for energy instead
of glycogen. Ketosis is like pregnancy -- you either are or are not in ketosis,
so keeping carbs excessively low serves no purpose once your body has gone into
ketosis.

You WILL most likely lose a lot of SCALE weight in the first couple of weeks.
This is MOSTLY water. Each molecule of glycogen stored in the liver has 4-5
molecules of water bound to it. As the glycogen is used up, the associated water
is shed. Once the glycogen store is depleted, the REAL work of burning FAT
begins. Fat will be lost more slowly. If you lose 1-2 lbs/week, that's a GOOD
thing. Since are a guy (and a young one at that) and because you have a lot to
lose, you may lose faster than some, at least at first, but low-carb is NOT a
miracle weight-loss diet. That's hard to hear and accept when you want to lose
the weight NOW, but it's a fact. The important thing is to LOOK AHEAD STAY THE
COURSE.

Keep reading this newsgroup for more tips and inspiration.

--
Saffire
205/149/125 - 5'1.5"
Atkins since 6/14/03
Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

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Quoted message said:

I am brand new to this group. I am currently 22 years old and weigh 298
pounds. I just started the Atkins Diet and am just wondering a few things.

I

Quoted message said:

am going to go all out and cut nearly all carbs out for induction...if not
all. Then, I intend, even after induction to keep carbs to an absolute
minimum. I also plan to excersize daily and keep calories to a

minimum..but

Quoted message said:

not so low that starvation kicks in. While starting all of this, will the
weight come off really fast? And if I keep myself doing this, will the
weight come off faster than if I started eating carbs again? I was just
curious to se what the initial weight loss can be when first starting the
Atkins Diet. Any input would be greatly appriciated. And by the way, my
target goal is about 180 lbs, and I want to do it as fast as possible.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

Your best bet is to eat the 20 carbs a day allowed for Induction...you need
those veggies! It's difficult to get enough fiber during Induction, so try
to eat veggies with lots of fiber. Without fiber, (and without BMs), you're
not going to feel very good! Most folks lose weight quickly during
Induction. 20 carbs a day is not very many!

Also, if you're not really following Atkins and eating the allowable carbs,
it will probably be hard to maintain. People can get bored with the food
choices during Induction, which is why we can move on to the next stage of
Atkins after 2 weeks. Keeps us going. Without eating even the 20 allowable
carbs, you could be setting yourself up for failure.

Weight loss during Induction varies for everyone. As you will see in the
Atkins New Diet Revolution book, there is a chart that maps out metabolic
resistance vs. pounds lost during Induction. Give yourself two weeks in
Induction and see what happens! It's just two weeks at 20 carbs a day...

You sound really motivated and gung-ho! Good luck and keep exercising!
S t a c i
5'11 - - 213/188/170
LC since 8/03, with 10 months off due to culture shock 🙂

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Quoted message said:

I am brand new to this group. I am currently 22 years old and weigh 298
pounds. I just started the Atkins Diet and am just wondering a few things. I
am going to go all out and cut nearly all carbs out for induction...if not
all. Then, I intend, even after induction to keep carbs to an absolute
minimum. I also plan to excersize daily and keep calories to a minimum..but
not so low that starvation kicks in. While starting all of this, will the
weight come off really fast? And if I keep myself doing this, will the
weight come off faster than if I started eating carbs again? I was just
curious to se what the initial weight loss can be when first starting the
Atkins Diet. Any input would be greatly appriciated. And by the way, my
target goal is about 180 lbs, and I want to do it as fast as possible.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

Get a copy of Atkins book and follow it. What you are proposing to do
is not Atkins, it's your own diet plan. Atkins doesn't cut all carbs
during induction, nor does it keep calories to a minimum. Why
reinvent something that is so simple already and works so well?

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Quoted message said:

I am brand new to this group. I am currently 22 years old and weigh 298
pounds. I just started the Atkins Diet and am just wondering a few things.

I

Quoted message said:

am going to go all out and cut nearly all carbs out for induction...if not
all. Then, I intend, even after induction to keep carbs to an absolute
minimum. I also plan to excersize daily and keep calories to a

minimum..but

Quoted message said:

not so low that starvation kicks in. While starting all of this, will the
weight come off really fast? And if I keep myself doing this, will the
weight come off faster than if I started eating carbs again? I was just
curious to se what the initial weight loss can be when first starting the
Atkins Diet. Any input would be greatly appriciated. And by the way, my
target goal is about 180 lbs, and I want to do it as fast as possible.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

I would strongly advise following Atkins the way it is written. During
induction you should be eating 20 carbs each day. Carbs are in eggs,
cheese, and vegetables. You should be getting most of your carbs from the
allowed veggie list.

After the 2 week induction period, you should INCREASE your carb intake by 5
each week. This is how Atkins works. If you keep your carbs too low, you
may find that you do not lose weight. Keeping carbs too low is not a
shortcut. If you want to speed up weight loss, make sure you add in
exercise. You may feel very crappy the first few days of induction, just
forewarning you, that stage will pass.

--
Spring
LC since 1/1/04
260/208/170
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/sprgsnow/album?.tok=phX4sVBBuvxvs4Hs&.dir=/55b8&.src=ph
Size: 24W / 14 / 10

My advice is similar to others - EAT YOUR VEG!!! GET A KITCHEN SCALE!!! GO
SWIMMING!!!! EAT FAT BUT NOT TOO MUCH!!

But watch what veg you're eating, e.g. tomatoes and carrots are very carby and
you can't really eat them while you're in induction because you can easily blow
20g on 3 big tomatoes. So get yourself loads of veg. Not eating enough veg (0g
carb) will give you constipation and being desperately constipated is not fun -
you might ended up having to go to the hospital to get yourself unblocked.

Another advice is that you should get a kitchen scale. I wish I have got one
from day 1 but I'm going to get it today, which is almost 2 years after I
started doing low carb (sporadically). To be successful you have to be
meticulous about how much you're actually eating. You don't want to be stuck in
a stall for months like me.

Swimming if you have easy access to a pool - because (1) you're heavy, swimming
is non weight bearing exercise where as running/cycling will damage your knees;
(2) having to bare it all (almost) helps with building up confidence; (3)
swimming takes co-ordination, it's not mindlessly repetitive, in order to swim
better you need to think as you swim so you won't get bored.

Fat - eat too much fat and your body will burning the dietary fat instead of
burning the fat that's padding your body all over as fuel. Which means your
weight loss would be much slower than you'd like otherwise. Eat protein as your
main source of energy.

Lastly, welcome to the group.

John said:

I am brand new to this group. I am currently 22 years old and weigh 298
pounds. I just started the Atkins Diet and am just wondering a few things. I
am going to go all out and cut nearly all carbs out for induction...if not
all. Then, I intend, even after induction to keep carbs to an absolute
minimum. I also plan to excersize daily and keep calories to a minimum..but
not so low that starvation kicks in. While starting all of this, will the
weight come off really fast? And if I keep myself doing this, will the
weight come off faster than if I started eating carbs again? I was just
curious to se what the initial weight loss can be when first starting the
Atkins Diet. Any input would be greatly appriciated. And by the way, my
target goal is about 180 lbs, and I want to do it as fast as possible.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

John said:

I am brand new to this group. I am currently 22 years old and weigh 298
pounds. I just started the Atkins Diet and am just wondering a few things.
I am going to go all out and cut nearly all carbs out for induction...if
not all.

that's a bad idea. (hint: the atkins plan includes eating vegetables.
vegetables have carbs.)

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Then, I intend, even after induction to keep carbs to an absolute minimum.
I also plan to excersize daily and keep calories to a minimum..but not so
low that starvation kicks in.

exercise is a good idea. keeping your calories in check is a good idea.

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While starting all of this, will the weight come off really fast? And if I
keep myself doing this, will the weight come off faster than if I started
eating carbs again? I was just curious to se what the initial weight loss
can be when first starting the Atkins Diet. Any input would be greatly
appriciated. And by the way, my target goal is about 180 lbs, and I want
to do it as fast as possible. Thanks in advance for any replies.

you didn't get fat overnight and you're not going to reverse it
overnight. being impatient is stupid and counterproductive when it
comes to losing weight.

get over it and settle in for the duration. it doesn't matter how long
it takes.

John said:

I am brand new to this group. I am currently 22 years old and weigh 298
pounds. I just started the Atkins Diet and am just wondering a few things. I
am going to go all out and cut nearly all carbs out for induction...if not
all. Then, I intend, even after induction to keep carbs to an absolute
minimum. I also plan to excersize daily and keep calories to a minimum..but
not so low that starvation kicks in. While starting all of this, will the
weight come off really fast? And if I keep myself doing this, will the
weight come off faster than if I started eating carbs again? I was just
curious to se what the initial weight loss can be when first starting the
Atkins Diet. Any input would be greatly appriciated. And by the way, my
target goal is about 180 lbs, and I want to do it as fast as possible.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

Eating food to excess is somewhat like being on hard drugs.

Changing habits isn't gonna be easy.

It is best to actually get the Atkins book and read the first 12
chapters..... it answers a lot of questions.

Then follow it for several weeks.

I made the mistake of thinking that since I am smart, I could figure out
a way to lose weight fast by slightly following the Atkins plan and
adding my own twists to it.

After almost two months of unsatisfactory results doing it "my way", I
followed the instructions and have had excellent success.

RTFM.

Often the best advice, RTFM.

Jim

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Quoted message said:

I am brand new to this group. I am currently 22 years old and weigh 298
pounds. I just started the Atkins Diet and am just wondering a few things.

I

Quoted message said:

am going to go all out and cut nearly all carbs out for induction...if not
all.

Make sure that you eat your low-carb veggies faithfully. Its really
important for the vitamins and fiber.

Then, I intend, even after induction to keep carbs to an absolute

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minimum.

You can stay on induction longer than two weeks. But still, don't skip the
veggies.

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I started at 311 and my body is willing to lose 2 pounds per week. It is
very unusual to lose more than 1% of body weight per week. The less you
weigh the slower the rate will be.

I count calories too. However, at the beginning, may I suggest just
monitoring the calories and not forcing yourself to go hungry. A way to
monitor the calories is at http://www.FitDay.com I use their download
version, which costs about $20.

I feel exercise at 300 pounds is dangerous. While it might help with the
weight loss, it is not essential.

Support from those around you is important. Staying low carb for life is
the only way to prevent regaining.

Go though the kitchen and collect all the carby stuff and toss it in the
trash can.

Good luck,

Cubit
311/224/165

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Quoted message said:

I am brand new to this group. I am currently 22 years old and weigh 298
pounds. I just started the Atkins Diet and am just wondering a few things.

I

Quoted message said:

am going to go all out and cut nearly all carbs out for induction...if not
all. Then, I intend, even after induction to keep carbs to an absolute
minimum. I also plan to excersize daily and keep calories to a

minimum..but

Quoted message said:

not so low that starvation kicks in. While starting all of this, will the
weight come off really fast? And if I keep myself doing this, will the
weight come off faster than if I started eating carbs again? I was just
curious to se what the initial weight loss can be when first starting the
Atkins Diet. Any input would be greatly appriciated. And by the way, my
target goal is about 180 lbs, and I want to do it as fast as possible.
Thanks in advance for any replies.

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Some of what I've learned:
-Watch your oils, if you have a low-carb book memorize this section
religiously, it is perhaps more important than anything for your
general health.

-Dont worry about calories to start, it's too much work. Just cut out
the carbs and eat as much as you want. What will happen is you wont
get the 'full' feeling that carbs give you (blood sugar rush) and the
sensation of filling your stomach up is going to get less pleasant
over time (cause you are probably going to overfill it looking for
that blood sugar like we all did, and learn what being full really
means). You will end up eating less (fewer calories) because you feel
better when you do so. This is good, once you break the sugar
addiction and start this eating pattern your will have more energy and
feel better.---- Remember, this big paragraph will just happen, dont
sweat it.

-Learn to cook if you dont know, there is an infinate variety of yummy
low-carb food out there waiting to be made. Get a nice meat
thermometer or 2 and become an expert meat cook (The Complete Meat
Cookbook and a 20 digital probe thermometer/alarm will do this for ya)

-cheese, hot sauce, sausage make a nice late-night snack, and fill you
up. Mexican carnitas, sour cream and pork skins is another snack,
buffalo wings, quiche, etc.

And take a 'before' picture, cause next year people ain't gonna
recognize you 🙂

Thanks to all of you that replied. I was never really much of a dairy eater.
I would always eat ice cream, but Not any more, lol. Pizza I would always
eat, but now it looks like pizza without the crust, hehe. And meatloaf, I
love meatloaf. Does anyone know, or has anyone tried making meatloaf without
the bread crumbs, or is there a substitute that will give it the same
texture as having bread in it?

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Some of what I've learned:
-Watch your oils, if you have a low-carb book memorize this section
religiously, it is perhaps more important than anything for your
general health.

-Dont worry about calories to start, it's too much work. Just cut out
the carbs and eat as much as you want. What will happen is you wont
get the 'full' feeling that carbs give you (blood sugar rush) and the
sensation of filling your stomach up is going to get less pleasant
over time (cause you are probably going to overfill it looking for
that blood sugar like we all did, and learn what being full really
means). You will end up eating less (fewer calories) because you feel
better when you do so. This is good, once you break the sugar
addiction and start this eating pattern your will have more energy and
feel better.---- Remember, this big paragraph will just happen, dont
sweat it.

-Learn to cook if you dont know, there is an infinate variety of yummy
low-carb food out there waiting to be made. Get a nice meat
thermometer or 2 and become an expert meat cook (The Complete Meat
Cookbook and a 20 digital probe thermometer/alarm will do this for ya)

-cheese, hot sauce, sausage make a nice late-night snack, and fill you
up. Mexican carnitas, sour cream and pork skins is another snack,
buffalo wings, quiche, etc.

And take a 'before' picture, cause next year people ain't gonna
recognize you 🙂

John generously shared with us this little ditty:

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Thanks to all of you that replied. I was never really much of a dairy
eater. I would always eat ice cream, but Not any more, lol. Pizza I
would always eat, but now it looks like pizza without the crust,
hehe. And meatloaf, I love meatloaf. Does anyone know, or has anyone
tried making meatloaf without the bread crumbs, or is there a
substitute that will give it the same texture as having bread in it?

Wassa crackers (light rye) or flaxmeal (ground flax seed, or linseed for
you furriners).

--
revek
None of the ideas expressed above are acutally mine. They are told to
me by Luthor and Ferdinand, the five inch tall space aliens who live
under my desk. In return for these ideas, I have given them persmision
to eat any dust bunnies they may find under there.

You might as well give up now because you're going to be fat and stupid the
rest of your life.

--
Most people are dumb as bricks; some people are dumber than that. -- MFW

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Thanks to all of you that replied. I was never really much of a dairy

eater.

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I would always eat ice cream, but Not any more, lol. Pizza I would always
eat, but now it looks like pizza without the crust, hehe. And meatloaf, I
love meatloaf. Does anyone know, or has anyone tried making meatloaf

without

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the bread crumbs, or is there a substitute that will give it the same
texture as having bread in it?

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Some of what I've learned:
-Watch your oils, if you have a low-carb book memorize this section
religiously, it is perhaps more important than anything for your
general health.

-Dont worry about calories to start, it's too much work. Just cut out
the carbs and eat as much as you want. What will happen is you wont
get the 'full' feeling that carbs give you (blood sugar rush) and the
sensation of filling your stomach up is going to get less pleasant
over time (cause you are probably going to overfill it looking for
that blood sugar like we all did, and learn what being full really
means). You will end up eating less (fewer calories) because you feel
better when you do so. This is good, once you break the sugar
addiction and start this eating pattern your will have more energy and
feel better.---- Remember, this big paragraph will just happen, dont
sweat it.

-Learn to cook if you dont know, there is an infinate variety of yummy
low-carb food out there waiting to be made. Get a nice meat
thermometer or 2 and become an expert meat cook (The Complete Meat
Cookbook and a 20 digital probe thermometer/alarm will do this for ya)

-cheese, hot sauce, sausage make a nice late-night snack, and fill you
up. Mexican carnitas, sour cream and pork skins is another snack,
buffalo wings, quiche, etc.

And take a 'before' picture, cause next year people ain't gonna
recognize you 🙂

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Quoted message said:

Thanks to all of you that replied. I was never really much of a dairy eater.
I would always eat ice cream, but Not any more, lol. Pizza I would always
eat, but now it looks like pizza without the crust, hehe. And meatloaf, I
love meatloaf. Does anyone know, or has anyone tried making meatloaf without
the bread crumbs, or is there a substitute that will give it the same
texture as having bread in it?

Keto makes crumbs in various flavors that are low carb and can be used
in place of bread crumbs. You can also make meatloaf without bread
crumbs. The LC cooking show made one a few weeks ago. The recipe
should be on foodtv.com.

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Some of what I've learned:
-Watch your oils, if you have a low-carb book memorize this section
religiously, it is perhaps more important than anything for your
general health.

-Dont worry about calories to start, it's too much work. Just cut out
the carbs and eat as much as you want. What will happen is you wont
get the 'full' feeling that carbs give you (blood sugar rush) and the
sensation of filling your stomach up is going to get less pleasant
over time (cause you are probably going to overfill it looking for
that blood sugar like we all did, and learn what being full really
means). You will end up eating less (fewer calories) because you feel
better when you do so. This is good, once you break the sugar
addiction and start this eating pattern your will have more energy and
feel better.---- Remember, this big paragraph will just happen, dont
sweat it.

-Learn to cook if you dont know, there is an infinate variety of yummy
low-carb food out there waiting to be made. Get a nice meat
thermometer or 2 and become an expert meat cook (The Complete Meat
Cookbook and a 20 digital probe thermometer/alarm will do this for ya)

-cheese, hot sauce, sausage make a nice late-night snack, and fill you
up. Mexican carnitas, sour cream and pork skins is another snack,
buffalo wings, quiche, etc.

And take a 'before' picture, cause next year people ain't gonna
recognize you 🙂

JC Der Koenig said:

You might as well give up now because you're going to be fat and stupid the
rest of your life.

Eat yer [censored] vegetables, you malnourished crabby-ass.

--
jamie ([email hidden])

"There's a seeker born every minute."

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I feel exercise at 300 pounds is dangerous. While it might help with the
weight loss, it is not essential.

I know what you mean (I think), but I don't agree. At 300 pounds yes, it's
far easier to get injured and create a lot of pain when you exercise. The
300 lb. person isn't usually going to be able to go out and walk a mile,
unless he's a great big, muscular guy. But that doesn't mean he/she cannot
exercise. Just that he's going to have to be smarter about it, and also more
patient.

Everybody, virtually, can add exercise. No, it's not essential to life, but
it is important... as important as eating your vegetables and eating regular
meals and drinking plenty of water. Exercise revs up your metabolism, builds
a little muscle, increases circulation, and elevates your mood. It also
turns down your appetite.

One of the best exercises is walking. Too much can cause pain for very heavy
people, so it's necessary to start small... maybe just around the block, or
down to the end of the block, or even just down the driveway and back.
Whatever you can do without too much discomfort. Then do it every day or
better yet, every other day and alternate it with something else like
swimming or biking. Increase by small increments on a weekly (or longer if
necessary) basis. Don't increase by more than 10% per week. Swimming is
good, if you have access to a pool, because body weight stress on joints is
eliminated. Biking can work for many people, but don't try to do hills and
keep it slow and easy at first.

If you can't even do the walking, there are videos aimed at seated exercise,
for people in wheel chairs, that I understand can really get the blood
pumping. Lifting light weights for upper body strength may be quite
possible - not only will it get your circulation, but you'll build a little
more metabolically active muscle. You can gradually increase the weights.
Stretching or yoga is great even for big people. It gets you in touch with
your body and also helps prevent injury.

If you start small, just a little more than you're doing now as part of
everyday living, you'll be able to do more and more. Just don't get
impatient and do too much and injure yourself. Exercise is one of the best
things a dieter can do for him/herself.

HG

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now it looks like pizza without the crust, hehe.

Trader Joes has low-carb pizza dough. You can make it yourself with
some of the protien-rich flours too. But, make this a special treat,
you wont loose weight eating the foods designed to mimic carby food,
too often they are almost as bad (even if they 'seem' ok through some
net-carb trick)

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Does anyone know, or has anyone tried making meatloaf without
the bread crumbs,

Yeah, I make it all the time.
1- You dont need bread-crumbs for meatloaf. Egg/meat/seasonings is
all that is required. Try it before you add low-carb fake bread
products.
2- Buy a pack of bacon and wrap your meatloaf completly with bacon
before putting it in the oven. Soooo good. Experiment with different
meats.
3- Google for 'low carb recipe forum'. There are a huge amount of
low-carb resources and recipies on the web.
4- Dont worry too much about the sugar content of sauces (unless you
are eating a LOT of sauce). It's better to get some bad carbs from
that ketchup on your meatloaf than do without IMO. Same goes for beer
😉

Werdna said:

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now it looks like pizza without the crust, hehe.

Trader Joes has low-carb pizza dough. You can make it yourself with
some of the protien-rich flours too. But, make this a special treat,
you wont loose weight eating the foods designed to mimic carby food,
too often they are almost as bad (even if they 'seem' ok through some
net-carb trick)

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Does anyone know, or has anyone tried making meatloaf without
the bread crumbs,

Yeah, I make it all the time.
1- You dont need bread-crumbs for meatloaf. Egg/meat/seasonings is
all that is required. Try it before you add low-carb fake bread
products.
2- Buy a pack of bacon and wrap your meatloaf completly with bacon
before putting it in the oven. Soooo good. Experiment with different
meats.
3- Google for 'low carb recipe forum'. There are a huge amount of
low-carb resources and recipies on the web.
4- Dont worry too much about the sugar content of sauces (unless you
are eating a LOT of sauce). It's better to get some bad carbs from
that ketchup on your meatloaf than do without IMO. Same goes for beer
😉

Speaking of bread crumbs, BJ's (a store here in New England like Costco or
Sam's Club) had some low carb bread crumbs. I thought they'd be great for
an occasional foray into fried chicken, but the bread crumbs had partially
hydrogenated oils. Almost any processed food has the latter.

--
Bob in CT
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JC Der Koenig said:

You might as well give up now because you're going to be fat and stupid

the

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rest of your life.

Eat yer [censored] vegetables, you malnourished crabby-ass.

I just ate a pickle.