Godefroot says : "Ullrich in better shape than in 2004" !

On espere qui'l sera en forme vers l'ete.

Andre

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From - http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/050124/1/5hic.html
"Les deux stages effectués cet hiver, trois semaines en Afrique du Sud
puis deux semaines à Majorque (Espagne), ont été profitables à Ullrich
dont "la condition physique est cette année bien meilleure qu'en
2004", a estimé Walter Godefroot, son ancien manageur personnel devenu
co-manageur de la formation. "Il a bien travaillé en décembre. Nous
sommes prêts à attaquer", a-t-il ajouté."

Souds like it could be Pevenage speaking though. Still good to see we
won't have the usual "Ullrich is too fat" talks around here this year
!

We won't? HA!

It's not like we haven't heard, "this year it's going to be different" from
Jan and his people before.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

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From - http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/050124/1/5hic.html
"Les deux stages effectués cet hiver, trois semaines en Afrique du Sud
puis deux semaines à Majorque (Espagne), ont été profitables à Ullrich
dont "la condition physique est cette année bien meilleure qu'en
2004", a estimé Walter Godefroot, son ancien manageur personnel devenu
co-manageur de la formation. "Il a bien travaillé en décembre. Nous
sommes prêts à attaquer", a-t-il ajouté."

Souds like it could be Pevenage speaking though. Still good to see we
won't have the usual "Ullrich is too fat" talks around here this year
!

We won't? HA!

It's not like we haven't heard, "this year it's going to be different"
from Jan and his people before.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

Jan still has plenty of time for a destructive binge.

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From - http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/050124/1/5hic.html
"Les deux stages effectués cet hiver, trois semaines en Afrique du Sud
puis deux semaines à Majorque (Espagne), ont été profitables à Ullrich
dont "la condition physique est cette année bien meilleure qu'en
2004", a estimé Walter Godefroot, son ancien manageur personnel devenu
co-manageur de la formation. "Il a bien travaillé en décembre. Nous
sommes prêts à attaquer", a-t-il ajouté."

Souds like it could be Pevenage speaking though. Still good to see we
won't have the usual "Ullrich is too fat" talks around here this year
!

We won't? HA!

It's not like we haven't heard, "this year it's going to be different"
from Jan and his people before.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

Jan still has plenty of time for a destructive binge.

Is this another dope thread?

Hopefully this will be Jan's year, but who knows...

psycholist said:

It's not like we haven't heard, "this year it's going to be different" from
Jan and his people before.

Last year was different. He was worse.

Bob Schwartz
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Bob Schwartz said:

psycholist said:

It's not like we haven't heard, "this year it's going to be different" from
Jan and his people before.

Last year was different. He was worse.

I thought he year before that was different because he was in better
shape than usual.

It's really pretty hard to tell since we don't have access to his
weight, his ride logs etc. We judge him based on pictures and his
results. That's not always an accurate reflection of his fitness. It's
claimed that he did poorly in the TdF last year because he was sick at
the beginning. Maybe so. Or maybe he just wasn't as well prepared as
he might have been. We can argue it either way without settling anything.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tim Lines said:

We can argue it either way without settling anything.

Isn't this the definition of this group?

--
tanx,
Howard

Butter is love.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Howard Kveck said:

Tim Lines said:

We can argue it either way without settling anything.

Isn't this the definition of this group?

No it's not.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Robert Chung said:

Howard Kveck said:

Tim Lines said:

We can argue it either way without settling anything.

Isn't this the definition of this group?

No it's not.

I think it most assuredly is.

--
tanx,
Howard

Butter is love.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

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> From - http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/050124/1/5hic.html
> "Les deux stages effectués cet hiver, trois semaines en Afrique du Sud
> puis deux semaines à Majorque (Espagne), ont été profitables à Ullrich
> dont "la condition physique est cette année bien meilleure qu'en
> 2004", a estimé Walter Godefroot, son ancien manageur personnel devenu
> co-manageur de la formation. "Il a bien travaillé en décembre. Nous
> sommes prêts à attaquer", a-t-il ajouté."
>
> Souds like it could be Pevenage speaking though. Still good to see we
> won't have the usual "Ullrich is too fat" talks around here this year
> !

We won't? HA!

It's not like we haven't heard, "this year it's going to be different"
from Jan and his people before.

--
Bob C.

"Of course it hurts. The trick is not minding that it hurts."
T. E. Lawrence (of Arabia)

Jan still has plenty of time for a destructive binge.

Is this another dope thread?

Well, a dope like you just asked a dopey question. ;-)

Tim Lines said:

Bob Schwartz said:

Last year was different. He was worse.

Quoted message said:

It's
claimed that he did poorly in the TdF last year because he was sick at
the beginning.

Having an excuse was not different.

Bob Schwartz
[email hidden]

After the first 5 or 6 excuses I get a little skeptical...

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Robert Chung said:

Howard Kveck said:

Tim Lines <[email hidden]> wrote:

>We can argue it either way without settling anything.

Isn't this the definition of this group?

No it's not.

I think it most assuredly is.

And what does any of this have to do with DRUGS? Get back on topic.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 08:57:15 -0800, Tim Lines <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Robert Chung said:

Howard Kveck wrote:

> Tim Lines <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>We can argue it either way without settling anything.
>
> Isn't this the definition of this group?

No it's not.

I think it most assuredly is.

And what does any of this have to do with DRUGS? Get back on topic.

ALL the threads make more sense if you're taking drugs. Except the one
on watts per hour. I think that's just a bunch of people putting
everyone else on by making stuff up on the fly. Like tax accountants
quoting tax code numbers...

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

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Quoted message said:

From - http://fr.sports.yahoo.com/050124/1/5hic.html
"Les deux stages effectués cet hiver, trois semaines en Afrique du Sud
puis deux semaines à Majorque (Espagne), ont été profitables à Ullrich
dont "la condition physique est cette année bien meilleure qu'en
2004", a estimé Walter Godefroot, son ancien manageur personnel devenu
co-manageur de la formation. "Il a bien travaillé en décembre. Nous
sommes prêts à attaquer", a-t-il ajouté."

Souds like it could be Pevenage speaking though. Still good to see we
won't have the usual "Ullrich is too fat" talks around here this year
!

If he were to win the Tour this year everyone would be saying he only won
because Lance wasn't there.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tim Lines said:

Howard Kveck said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Robert Chung said:

Howard Kveck wrote:

> Tim Lines <[email hidden]> wrote:
>
>
>>We can argue it either way without settling anything.
>
> Isn't this the definition of this group?

No it's not.

I think it most assuredly is.

And what does any of this have to do with DRUGS? Get back on topic.

I'm still waiting for Robert to post a Chung Chart to prove he's right.

--
tanx,
Howard

Butter is love.

remove YOUR SHOES to reply, ok?

Dumbass-

Last year, Jan didn't take enough drugs.

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Dumbass-

Last year, Jan didn't take enough drugs.

Let me put out a question raised by a French friend of mine. Ullrich comes
out of the old East German Sport machine with its rampant drug use/abuse.
The question he raised is how much of his 1997 Tour showing is related to
the continued and/or lingering effects of drug use from the EG system? I
doubt that effects would have lingered that long to be of assistance.

Now, my question is, have the records of Ullrich in the EG program ever been
discovered and/or released?

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Dumbass-

Last year, Jan didn't take enough drugs.

Let me put out a question raised by a French friend of mine. Ullrich
comes out of the old East German Sport machine with its rampant drug
use/abuse. The question he raised is how much of his 1997 Tour showing is
related to the continued and/or lingering effects of drug use from the EG
system? I doubt that effects would have lingered that long to be of
assistance.

Now, my question is, have the records of Ullrich in the EG program ever
been discovered and/or released?

Compare him to his contemporaries.

Born in Feb 1973, he would have been 17-18 when the EG 'sports machine' was
(being) dismantled. I remember talking with Jens Fiedler at the worlds in
1990 where he commented it would be the last worlds for the EG team.

Off the top of my head and by scanning the rosters of the end of the 2004
year UCI points, you have:

Michael Rich
Thomas Liese
Jens Lehmann
Erik Zabel
Uwe Peschel?
Olaf Pollack?
Andreas Kloden?
Jens Voigt?
Jens Heppner?
Carsten Podlesch?
Petra Rossner?

None of these riders have shown a particular decline in personal performance
that cannot be attributed to age. Even Ullrich only dropped from 1st in the
TdF in 1997 to second until last year, 13 years after East Germany was
dissolved.

I don't see much here to support those theories/accusations of residual
effects of the EG sports machine.