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  1. My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic index.
    I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch of foods. All
    I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many meats or cereals or
    beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out how it rates. Also, the
    portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on how much of a food people
    generally eat. Feh! How do they know how much canteloupe I consume at one sitting? A web page that
    gave me the glycemic index plus information on portion size would be perfect. Anyone know where I
    can find it?

    --Lia

  2. "Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic
    index. I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch of
    foods. All I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many meats
    or cereals or beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out how it
    rates. Also, the portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on how much of
    a food people generally eat. Feh! How do they know how much canteloupe I consume at one sitting? A
    web page that gave me the glycemic index plus information on portion size would be perfect. Anyone
    know where I can find it?

    --Lia

    Did you try glycemicindex.comglycemicindex.com - the GI database link to the left appears to be what you
    are looking for.

    HTH, Urmi

  3. "Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Also, the portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on how much of a
    food people generally eat.

    South Beach says nothing about this; dunno about other diets. Another low gi cookbook I have says
    it's figured on a per-carbohydrate-gram basis. When the normalization by carbohydrate gram is taken
    into account, it seems less surprising that carrots are "worse" than white bread which is "worse"
    than table sugar.

  4. at Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:26:19 GMT in <%FvYb.339715$xy6.1679297@attbi_s02>,
    [email hidden] (Julia Altshuler) wrote :

    Quoted message said:

    My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic index.
    I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch of foods.
    All I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many meats or
    cereals or beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out how it rates.
    Also, the portion size is never mentioned...

    Here is the best and most definitive list available:

    diabetes.about.comngilists.htm

    You need to be aware that there is no comprehensive list of every common food's GI - simply because
    not all foods have been measured. It's too new of a research area at this time. With the current
    interest in high-protein low-carb diets, I'm sure the list will grow rapidly at this time.

    One of the problems about portion size is that with GI, the fact of the portion size itself has an
    impact on the measured GI. In other words, you don't get the same GI for different portion sizes.
    Smaller portions give a higher GI, because the body digests it much faster. Since GI is related to
    digestive function, it's a lot more complex than, say, carbohydrate count which is a static
    measurement. So you have to take GI figures very relatively, very much with a grain of salt, and
    very aware of the fact that there may be wild fluctuations from the predicted values in *your* case,
    because everybody's digestive metabolism is different and how you assimilate different foods will be
    different.

    Thus GI figures aren't something you can take simply as a flat truth. The best way to use the list
    is as a rough guide. Then, experiment with different foods and see what actually works for you, in
    terms of the reaction you experience after each. Generally, a high GI is associated with a fast,
    sudden boost of energy followed by a total collapse, where a low GI doesn't give you either the
    immediate boost or the dramatic letdown. Be careful in how you observe. For instance, unless you're
    the type of person who wakes up invariably feeling very refreshed, low-GI foods are going to feel
    very bad in the morning, because they give no boost that gets you up- to-speed. A higher-GI food
    will probably make you feel essentially normal in the morning right away, because the quick release
    will put your body in a fully-awake energy state. So it can be easy to conclude that the high-GI
    food isn't having much impact on energy level, simply because you now feel normal, but you weren't
    accounting for the fact that you were still waking up. And you might think that the feeling of the
    low-GI food was some sort of high-GI "crash", probably imagining it had to do with what you had the
    night before. In a similar vein, you need to be careful in the evening because you might not
    actually notice what the real effect was before going to bed.

    And it gets even more complicated from there. Exercise will increase the metabolism, making high-GI
    foods seem really extreme. Time between mealtimes will have a big effect. If you have wide spaces
    between mealtimes, the last meal will be completely digested by the time you have your next one. As
    a result, the effective GI of the foods you now eat will be higher, because the body isn't still
    busy digesting other stuff. Of course, this itself depends on what you had before. If it was low-GI,
    maybe it's *not* completely digested.

    Hopefully this gives you the idea. GI is a *rough* guide, which you need to use with caution and
    careful research. You can't just blindly plug a number into a formula and get a result that
    matches reality.

    --
    Alex Rast [email hidden] (remove d., .7, not, and .NOSPAM to reply)

  5. In article <%FvYb.339715$xy6.1679297@attbi_s02>,

    Julia Altshuler said:

    My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic
    index. I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch of
    foods. All I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many meats
    or cereals or beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out how it
    rates. Also, the portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on how much of
    a food people generally eat. Feh! How do they know how much canteloupe I consume at one sitting? A
    web page that gave me the glycemic index plus information on portion size would be perfect. Anyone
    know where I can find it?

    --Lia

    The GI is calculated on the basis of 100 g carb and compared to 100 g of a "standard" food, either
    white bread or table sugar. How many of us are going to eat 100 g of carb in carrots or lettuce at
    a sitting?

    There are several other problems with the glycemic index (GI) from my point of view. For one, the
    more processed a food, the higher its GI is. For example, the GI of a potato increases when you mash
    it. Fat interferes with GI, as it slows stomach emptying. Probably the biggest problem with the GI
    is that we don't eat a single food in isolation. We'll eat bread with peanut butter, or rice with a
    stir-fry. Both bread and rice are high GI foods, but their GI can be altered by the foods eaten with
    them. Fiber also reduces the GI, so brown rice has a lower GI than white rice.

    The one situation where I have used GI is to help my brother, the world's least diverse eater,
    deal with his diabetes. I told him to choose foods within his narrow preference range that were
    lower in GI;
    e.g., whole grain bread instead of white bread. The one step that went the farthest to help even out
    his blood glucose was to stop drinking non-diet sodas.

    Cindy

    --
    e.h. Fuller

    Delete the obvious to email me

  6. "Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic
    index. I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch of
    foods. All I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many meats
    or cereals or beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out how it
    rates. Also, the portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on how much of
    a food people generally eat. Feh! How do they know how much canteloupe I consume at one sitting? A
    web page that gave me the glycemic index plus information on portion size would be perfect. Anyone
    know where I can find it?

    --Lia

    The GI is a ratio and not an absolute value. It is a measurement if the amount that a given food
    raises your blood sugar relative to the same amount of pure glucose. This means that portion size is
    not relevant to GI. For example, pound cake has a GI of 54, and barley has a GI of 27. Thus eating a
    certain amount of pound cake will increase your blood sugar by twice as much as eating the same
    amount (weight) of barley.

    --
    Peter Aitken

    Remove the [censored] from my email address before using.

  7. Cindy Fuller <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    In article <%FvYb.339715$xy6.1679297@attbi_s02>,

    Julia Altshuler said:

    My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic
    index. I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch of
    foods. All I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many meats
    or cereals or beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out how it
    rates. Also, the portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on how much
    of a food people generally eat. Feh! How do they know how much canteloupe I consume at one
    sitting? A web page that gave me the glycemic index plus information on portion size would be
    perfect. Anyone know where I can find it?

    --Lia

    The GI is calculated on the basis of 100 g carb and compared to 100 g of a "standard" food, either
    white bread or table sugar. How many of us are going to eat 100 g of carb in carrots or lettuce at
    a sitting?

    There are several other problems with the glycemic index (GI) from my point of view. For one, the
    more processed a food, the higher its GI is. For example, the GI of a potato increases when you
    mash it. Fat interferes with GI, as it slows stomach emptying. Probably the biggest problem with
    the GI is that we don't eat a single food in isolation. We'll eat bread with peanut butter, or
    rice with a stir-fry. Both bread and rice are high GI foods, but their GI can be altered by the
    foods eaten with them. Fiber also reduces the GI, so brown rice has a lower GI than white rice.

    Goold observations...

    Quoted message said:

    The one situation where I have used GI is to help my brother, the world's least diverse eater,
    deal with his diabetes. I told him to choose foods within his narrow preference range that were
    lower in GI;
    e.g., whole grain bread instead of white bread.

    The one step that

    Quoted message said:

    went the farthest to help even out his blood glucose was to stop drinking non-diet sodas.

    One would think that choice would be obvious, GI considered or not.

    Quoted message said:


    Cindy

  8. Cindy Fuller said:

    There are several other problems with the glycemic index (GI) from my point of view. For one, the
    more processed a food, the higher its GI is. For example, the GI of a potato increases when you
    mash it. Fat interferes with GI, as it slows stomach emptying. Probably the biggest problem with
    the GI is that we don't eat a single food in isolation. We'll eat bread with peanut butter, or rice
    with a stir-fry. Both bread and rice are high GI foods, but their GI can be altered by the foods
    eaten with them. Fiber also reduces the GI, so brown rice has a lower GI than white rice.

    Why is this a problem, other than making its use less than brain dead simple?

  9. "Urmi Mukherjea" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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    Quoted message said:

    Did you try glycemicindex.comglycemicindex.com - the GI database link to the left appears to be what
    you are looking for.

    Try typing "rice". There are numerous reference to "type unspecified" varying from 46 to 100+ in
    glycemic index. Pretty vague if you ax me.

    Montignac has a list of foods with glycemic index over and below 55 which he considers to be his
    cutoff. I guess he's had to average the GI on rice, eh? :-)

    montignac-intl.comm7en.html

    --

    "I'm the master of low expectations."

    GWB, aboard Air Force One, 04Jun2003

  10. I'm going to thank everyone who wrote in this one post rather than going individually.

    First, the good news. I wasn't asking for myself. I've always been able to eat pretty much whatever
    I wanted and still maintain a healthy weight and have no major health troubles. (I make some effort
    to eat lots of vegetables and to avoid junk, but that's about it.) So my understanding the glycemic
    index has no immediate bearing on my diet.

    The bad news is that I'm more confused than ever! I pride myself on being someone who can make a
    good meal at any time of day for any guest on all sorts of restrictions. It is almost fun. (Hmm, I
    have one lactose inolerant, one vegetarian, one allergic to eggs, 2 who can't handle wheat and 3
    counting calories. What shall I serve for dessert?) I'm interested in diet and nutrition and was
    hoping to understand Atkins and South Beach so I could start inventing recipes and meals.

    The idea that the whole concept is so new that comprehensive information isn't out there makes
    sense. I tried glycemicindex.com and found information on apples but nothing on melons or squashes.
    Then I realized that it comes from The University of Sydney. They may be eating different fruits
    there than in the U.S. or know them by different names. (Otherwise the site is excellent. Thanks.)

    I got the business about the index being based in part on portion size from one of the books
    on South Beach that I was reading in the book store last week. I can't say which one as I
    didn't buy it.

    The list at diabetes.about.comngilists.htm is interesting even if you want
    nothing to do with the glycemic index. Look at the foods at the bottom where they mention foods that
    are exotic to me but quite ordinary to peoples around the world. Araucaria bidwillii, bunya tree
    nut, prickly pear cactus, white teparies broth. Great stuff! Thanks.

    The information about exercise increasing metabolism making high GI foods more extreme is something
    I might be able to use. I've always guessed I had low metabolism since I can skip meals easily and
    not feel it and generally have fairly low energy. I've been trying to remedy that recently with an
    exercise class, but instead of feeling energized, I've been falling asleep by mid-afternoon. I
    wonder that's due to the way I come home from class dry and drink water and orange juice which is
    normal for me when I'm not exercising. I'll experiment to see if water alone (bleah) is better.

    Thanks everyone for all your help. I have to keep studying this.

    --Lia

  11. For an overview of the differences between the Atkins diet, the
    South Beach diet, and Weight Watchers weight loss programs, check out
    atkinssouthbeachweightwatchersdiet.iconv.comatkinssouthbeachweightwatchersdiet.iconv.com.

    Regards -- John

  12. Julia Altshuler said:

    My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic
    index. I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch of
    foods. All I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many meats
    or cereals or beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out how it
    rates. Also, the portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on how much of
    a food people generally eat. Feh! How do they know how much canteloupe I consume at one sitting? A
    web page that gave me the glycemic index plus information on portion size would be perfect. Anyone
    know where I can find it?

    --Lia

    You might want to try glycemicindex.com. Remember, though, the there is a difference between
    glycemic index and glycemic load.

    --
    jmk in NC

  13. "Julia Altshuler" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    I'm going to thank everyone who wrote in this one post rather than going individually.

    First, the good news. I wasn't asking for myself. I've always been able to eat pretty much
    whatever I wanted and still maintain a healthy weight and have no major health troubles. (I make
    some effort to eat lots of vegetables and to avoid junk, but that's about it.) So my understanding
    the glycemic index has no immediate bearing on my diet.

    The bad news is that I'm more confused than ever! I pride myself on being someone who can make a
    good meal at any time of day for any guest on all sorts of restrictions. It is almost fun. (Hmm, I
    have one lactose inolerant, one vegetarian, one allergic to eggs, 2 who can't handle wheat and 3
    counting calories. What shall I serve for dessert?) I'm interested in diet and nutrition and was
    hoping to understand Atkins and South Beach so I could start inventing recipes and meals.

    The idea that the whole concept is so new that comprehensive information isn't out there makes
    sense. I tried glycemicindex.com and found information on apples but nothing on melons or
    squashes. Then I realized that it comes from The University of Sydney. They may be eating
    different fruits there than in the U.S. or know them by different names. (Otherwise the site is
    excellent. Thanks.)

    I got the business about the index being based in part on portion size from one of the books
    on South Beach that I was reading in the book store last week. I can't say which one as I
    didn't buy it.

    It's a mistake to think of the GI as related to portion size. It's a ratio - measure the amount your
    blood sugar goes up when you eat the food in question, then measure the amount your blood sugar goes
    up when you eat the same amount of the standard reference which I believe is pure sugar. Divide the
    first by the second and multiply by 100 to get the GI for that food.

    Portion size does of course affect how much your blood sugar goes up after a meal, but that's not
    the same thing as GI.

    --
    Peter Aitken

    Remove the [censored] from my email address before using.

  14. jmk said:
    Julia Altshuler said:

    My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic
    index. I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch of
    foods. All I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many meats
    or cereals or beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out how it
    rates. Also, the portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on how much
    of a food people generally eat. Feh! How do they know how much canteloupe I consume at one
    sitting? A web page that gave me the glycemic index plus information on portion size would be
    perfect. Anyone know where I can find it?

    Quoted message said:

    You might want to try glycemicindex.com. Remember, though, the there is a difference between
    glycemic index and glycemic load.

    I don't follow this particular feature, but wouldn't it be highly variable depending on individual
    metabolisms? It's surely not an absolute measure, like calories or the protein content of foods. I
    mean, the *content* of foods has been pretty well nailed down; the *effect* seems a little iffy to
    me. Perhaps there's something along the lines of taking a glucose-tolerance test, and then applying
    it to the sugar-carbohydrate content of foods.

  15. Frogleg said:
    jmk said:
    Julia Altshuler said:

    My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic
    index. I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch of
    foods. All I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many meats
    or cereals or beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out how it
    rates. Also, the portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on how much
    of a food people generally eat. Feh! How do they know how much canteloupe I consume at one
    sitting? A web page that gave me the glycemic index plus information on portion size would be
    perfect. Anyone know where I can find it?

    Quoted message said:

    You might want to try glycemicindex.com. Remember, though, the there is a difference between
    glycemic index and glycemic load.

    I don't follow this particular feature, but wouldn't it be highly variable depending on individual
    metabolisms? It's surely not an absolute measure, like calories or the protein content of foods. I
    mean, the *content* of foods has been pretty well nailed down; the *effect* seems a little iffy to
    me. Perhaps there's something along the lines of taking a glucose-tolerance test, and then
    applying it to the sugar-carbohydrate content of foods.

    I'm sure that there are longer and better explanations out there but here's a summary with
    references. I hope that this helps.

    "The GI value of a food is determined by feeding 10 or more healthy people a portion of the food
    containing 50 grams of digestible (available) carbohydrate and then measuring the effect on their
    blood glucose levels over the next two hours." - glycemicindex.com

    "Foods with a high GI score contain rapidly digested carbohydrate, which produces a large rapid rise
    and fall in the level of blood glucose. In contrast, foods with a low GI score contain slowly
    digested carbohydrate, which produces a gradual, relatively low rise in the level of blood glucose."
    - glycemicindex.com

    "A GI value tells you only how rapidly a particular carbohydrate turns into sugar. It doesn't tell
    you how much of that carbohydrate is in a serving of a particular food. You need to know both things
    to understand a food's effect on blood sugar." -
    diabetes.about.comngilists.htm

    --
    jmk in NC

  16. diabetes.about.comnmendosagi.htm

    check out this page.

    j "Frogleg" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    jmk said:
    Julia Altshuler said:

    My googling skills need help. I've gotten interested in Atkins, South Beach and the glycemic
    index. I was hoping for an online source that would list the glycemic index for a whole bunch
    of foods. All I've found are examples where they mention 20 fruits, 20 vegetables and as many
    meats or cereals or beans. I want a web page where I can look up any common food and find out
    how it rates. Also, the portion size is never mentioned. It is supposedly figured in based on
    how much of a food people generally eat. Feh! How do they know how much canteloupe


    I

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    consume at one sitting? A web page that gave me the glycemic index


    plus

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    information on portion size would be perfect. Anyone know where I can find it?

    Quoted message said:

    You might want to try glycemicindex.com. Remember, though, the there is a difference between
    glycemic index and glycemic load.

    I don't follow this particular feature, but wouldn't it be highly variable depending on individual
    metabolisms? It's surely not an absolute measure, like calories or the protein content of foods. I
    mean, the *content* of foods has been pretty well nailed down; the *effect* seems a little iffy to
    me. Perhaps there's something along the lines of taking a glucose-tolerance test, and then
    applying it to the sugar-carbohydrate content of foods.

  17. Julia Altshuler said:


    The list at diabetes.about.comngilists.htm is interesting even if you
    want nothing to do with the glycemic index.

    Mendosa's site has been a leader for a while. I'd recommend it to anyone.

    The Glycemic Index is being adopted by lots of people because it is a new "thing", but most of them
    don't really understand what it means.

    It only tells how quickly a given food raises your blood glucose levels.

    Now how high, or for how long.

    Those of us with diabetes need to moderate the rise in our blood glucose levels, and would also do
    well to get them down again quickly after a meal.

    The GI is a help in figuring out which foods might be best for us, but it isn't, in
    itself, a "diet".

    It takes learning to understand how to use any of the various diet ideas that are always floating
    around. The problem is that most of us want a simple and attractive way to "diet".

    I'm not sure a simple and attractive way exists. Certainly not simple! To really eat in a healthy
    way, you have to learn a LOT about food, nutrition in general, and your body's response in
    particular!

  18. I don't mean to confuse the issue further, but I do have another piece of information about why it
    is so hard to establish a certain food's GI.

    A friend--who happens to be a nutritionist--told me that the GI of a food can vary depending on
    factors hard to measure. For example, she said that a green banana is much lower on the GI index
    than one that is ripe. And the riper the banana, the higher GI it has. So, what is the GI of a
    banana? Well, hard to say.

    She told me that the best thing to do is to be aware of the GI index and try to eat foods low on the
    list but not to take the list as a bible.

    Hope this helps.

    Kate

  19. KateReynolds said:

    I don't mean to confuse the issue further, but I do have another piece of information about why it
    is so hard to establish a certain food's GI.

    A friend--who happens to be a nutritionist--told me that the GI of a food can vary depending on
    factors hard to measure. For example, she said that a green banana is much lower on the GI index
    than one that is ripe. And the riper the banana, the higher GI it has. So, what is the GI of a
    banana? Well, hard to say.

    She told me that the best thing to do is to be aware of the GI index and try to eat foods low on
    the list but not to take the list as a bible.

    Hope this helps.

    Kate

    Yes, for example I think that dried pasta cooked al dente has a lower GI than dried pasta cooked
    longer which has a lower GI than fresh pasta. Oh, and of course whole wheat pasta has a lower GI
    than white pasta.

    “People think that a food has a definitive glycemic index, but it depends on how the food is
    processed, stored, ripened, cut, and cooked,” says Xavier Pi-Sunyer, an obesity expert at Columbia
    University College of Physicians and Surgeons in New York.
    (cspinet.orgcover.pdf)

    --
    jmk in NC

  20. KateReynolds said:


    She told me that the best thing to do is to be aware of the GI index and try to eat foods low on
    the list but not to take the list as a bible.

    That's pretty much the conclusion I'd been coming to since learning about this. I didn't think I was
    asking a stupid question when I began the thread. It seemed so reasonable a thing to ask. After
    following the links people have recommended, I can see that it was almost like asking "which foods
    are good for children" and expecting one cohesive answer.

    --Lia

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