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  1. Hello,
    I am new here. I have recently been reading about going on a low-glycemic
    diet but I find so many differences in the food lists I have found. I am
    confused. Which list is right in choosing which fruits and vegetables are
    safe to eat? For instance one list says Cantaloupe are ok and another says
    its not. Same for yellow crookneck squash. I am still confused. Surely the
    science part of finding out how many carbs is in a food substance is more
    consistent than that.

    Can someone shed some light on this?

    Thank you,
    Paulette

  2. Mermaid said:


    I am new here. I have recently been reading about going on a low-glycemic
    diet but I find so many differences in the food lists I have found. I am
    confused. Which list is right in choosing which fruits and vegetables are
    safe to eat?

    "The man with one watch knows what time it is. The man with
    several is never sure." That old saying is becoming obsolete as
    more and more clocks use radio sync and stay within a few
    seconds of each other but the old intent still works: Pick one
    list and stick with it. Say goodbye to confusion.

    Quoted message said:

    For instance one list says Cantaloupe are ok and another says
    its not. Same for yellow crookneck squash. I am still confused.

    The measurement methods are not accurate enough for the lists
    to have much meaning at that level of detail. One certain way
    to make yourself confused without cause is to expect some
    measurement system to have moe accuracy than it actually
    does and then to try to get real information out of what is really
    noise.

    The best example of that principle is trying to get anything but
    trends out of daily weighings during your losing phases, but
    this is a good exmaple of that as well.

    Quoted message said:

    Surely the
    science part of finding out how many carbs is in a food substance is more
    consistent than that.

    No it is not.

    Quoted message said:

    Can someone shed some light on this?

    It''s called noise. Signal variation without any difference in the
    actual signal. Different numerical results in an experiment without
    any changes in any variable. Anything from small mistakes
    through measurements that aren't accurate on the scale they
    are used for.

    Glycemic index is simply not accurate enough for what you're
    trying to do. You're confused because you're trying to draw
    more meaning out of it than it actually has.

  3. The glycemic carb index is a bunch of [censored] and won't help you become less
    fat.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Mermaid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello,
    I am new here. I have recently been reading about going on a low-glycemic
    diet but I find so many differences in the food lists I have found. I am
    confused. Which list is right in choosing which fruits and vegetables are
    safe to eat? For instance one list says Cantaloupe are ok and another says
    its not. Same for yellow crookneck squash. I am still confused. Surely the
    science part of finding out how many carbs is in a food substance is more
    consistent than that.

    Can someone shed some light on this?

    Thank you,
    Paulette

  4. Glycemic index, while somewhat useful, is quite variable individual to
    individual and changes dramatically with combinations of foods. Thus
    the GI or cantalope with yogurt or cottage cheese will be quite
    different (likely much lower) than alone.

  5. Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I am new here. I have recently been reading about going on a low-glycemic
    diet but I find so many differences in the food lists I have found. I am
    confused. Which list is right in choosing which fruits and vegetables are
    safe to eat?


    glycemically speaking... pretty much any (whole) fruit or vegetable is
    OK to eat, even watermelon (BTW, did you know that they just recently
    discovered that the anti-cancer compound lypocene in watermelon is
    highly absorbale.. unusual for a 'raw' food... usually it better
    absored when cooked, such as tomato sauce).

    I think you might be confusing the 'glycemic index' with the 'glycemic
    load'. To start off with, just pay attention to the GL (glycemic
    load) and ignore the GI (glycemic index) for now.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Can someone shed some light on this?


    Dr. Thomas Wolever and Dr. Jennie Brand-Miller are they leading
    experts (and they have a book out) and/or David Mendosa (visit his
    website: http://www.mendosa.com/gi.htm ... but remember 'GL', not
    'GI'😉

  6. Thank you for your response,
    Whatever it is, since I have been watching carbs and not fats, I have at
    last started to lose some weight. I have lost 7 lbs so far. I read the
    Thyroid diet book and it opened my eyes to a lot of things. Since I am a
    thyroid patient, my metabolism is not the same as it used to be. What worked
    in the past does not now.

    Thank you for your help,
    Paulette

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    Quoted message said:

    Glycemic index, while somewhat useful, is quite variable individual to
    individual and changes dramatically with combinations of foods. Thus
    the GI or cantalope with yogurt or cottage cheese will be quite
    different (likely much lower) than alone.

  7. Mermaid said:


    Thank you for your response,
    Whatever it is, since I have been watching carbs and not fats, I have at
    last started to lose some weight. I have lost 7 lbs so far. I read the
    Thyroid diet book and it opened my eyes to a lot of things. Since I am a
    thyroid patient, my metabolism is not the same as it used to be. What worked
    in the past does not now.

    If you stay very low in carbs the T3 output tends to go down.
    For hypothroid folks it is very important to move up in the carb
    levels on schedule in accordance with the directions for whatever
    plan you're on. Don't get sucked into "If low carb is good, then
    lower carb must be better". Tempting as that simple-minded
    approach is, it isn't true. Low carbing is about right-sizing not
    about unbounded reduction.

    Using glycemic load/index to chose among types of carb
    sources is a great idea, but use it as a general guide not as a
    fine detail control.

  8. "Mermaid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello,
    I am new here. I have recently been reading about going on a low-glycemic
    diet but I find so many differences in the food lists I have found. I am
    confused. Which list is right in choosing which fruits and vegetables are
    safe to eat? For instance one list says Cantaloupe are ok and another says
    its not. Same for yellow crookneck squash. I am still confused. Surely the
    science part of finding out how many carbs is in a food substance is more
    consistent than that.

    Can someone shed some light on this?

    Thank you,
    Paulette

    I've had the same trouble in regards to GI lists but all that ended when I
    came across the book 'The GI Diet' by Rick Gallop.
    I simply eat the green light foods on the list and have lost close to 20
    pounds.(Much to the annoyance of the guy I am currently dating who happens
    to *love* big women but it's *my* body..not his.) His website is
    www.gidiet.com if you want to check it out. He has a food list on it there.
    I've even emailed him and received a reply a few days later. He is a very
    pleasant person to speak with and welcomes any questions you might have
    regarding the diet itself.
    I've also recently had to remove all gluten foods from my WOE when I was
    diagnosed with celiac disease last month.

  9. Losing 20 pounds out of 450 is not exactly a ringing endorsement.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

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    "Mermaid" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Hello,
    I am new here. I have recently been reading about going on a low-glycemic
    diet but I find so many differences in the food lists I have found. I am
    confused. Which list is right in choosing which fruits and vegetables are
    safe to eat? For instance one list says Cantaloupe are ok and another
    says
    its not. Same for yellow crookneck squash. I am still confused. Surely
    the
    science part of finding out how many carbs is in a food substance is more
    consistent than that.

    Can someone shed some light on this?

    Thank you,
    Paulette

    I've had the same trouble in regards to GI lists but all that ended when I
    came across the book 'The GI Diet' by Rick Gallop.
    I simply eat the green light foods on the list and have lost close to 20
    pounds.(Much to the annoyance of the guy I am currently dating who happens
    to *love* big women but it's *my* body..not his.) His website is
    www.gidiet.com if you want to check it out. He has a food list on it
    there. I've even emailed him and received a reply a few days later. He is
    a very pleasant person to speak with and welcomes any questions you might
    have regarding the diet itself.
    I've also recently had to remove all gluten foods from my WOE when I was
    diagnosed with celiac disease last month.

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