Giro Route Question

Rebecca Smith said:

the symbols stand for? The first symbol is a blue square with an 'I'.

Intergiro. Inexplicable secondary classification.

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The second symbol is a red circle with an 'R'.

Feed zone.

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triangle with "GPM".

Mountain points for grabs: Gran Premio della Montagna.

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Rebecca Smith wrote:
The first symbol is a blue square with an 'I'. Surely

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that doesn't mean 'Information'. Can't quite see the peloton stopping

and

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asking "Which way do we go from here".

No, this is the Giro. . .not the Tour of Shenandoah

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Rebecca Smith said:

the symbols stand for? The first symbol is a blue square with an 'I'.

Intergiro. Inexplicable secondary classification.

I think it works like this: at the intergiro, there are points and bonus
seconds, just like an intermediary sprint at the tour. The points count for
the points classification, and the bonus seconds for the GC. But there is
also the intergiro classification, which is calculated by counting only the
bonus seconds gained at the intergiro, nothing else.

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Rebecca Smith said:

the symbols stand for? The first symbol is a blue square with an
'I'.

Intergiro. Inexplicable secondary classification.

I think it works like this: at the intergiro, there are points and
bonus seconds, just like an intermediary sprint at the tour. The
points count for the points classification, and the bonus seconds for
the GC. But there is also the intergiro classification, which is
calculated by counting only the bonus seconds gained at the
intergiro, nothing else.

I don't think there are any points at the Intergiro, just cash, real bonus
seconds (6,4,2) and Intergiro bonus seconds (30, 24,18 etc. unless they've
changed it). As you said, the real bonus seconds come off a rider's GC time,
while the Intergiro bonus seconds only count towards that competition.

The classifications I think are redundant are the Azzurri d'Italia and Most
combative classifcitions. The former is just based on top 3 in the stage
(like Points), and the latter is a combination of points and mountains, I
think. It's not a judged award like it is in the Tour. The Trofeo Fuga
piaggio is judged on the number of kilometres spent in a breakaway. And then
there are two types of team classifications and the Fair Play.

Why? I guess the Italians like podium time.

Jeff

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On Tue, 10 May 2005 05:40:46 -0700, Rebecca Smith wrote:
> the symbols stand for? The first symbol is a blue square with an
> 'I'.

Intergiro. Inexplicable secondary classification.

I think it works like this: at the intergiro, there are points and
bonus seconds, just like an intermediary sprint at the tour. The
points count for the points classification, and the bonus seconds for
the GC. But there is also the intergiro classification, which is
calculated by counting only the bonus seconds gained at the
intergiro, nothing else.

I don't think there are any points at the Intergiro, just cash, real bonus
seconds (6,4,2) and Intergiro bonus seconds (30, 24,18 etc. unless they've
changed it). As you said, the real bonus seconds come off a rider's GC

time,

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while the Intergiro bonus seconds only count towards that competition.

Cycling4all claims the first 6 finishers at the intergiro gain points and
mentions only one set of bonus seconds for the intergiro...

Jeff Jones said:

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I don't think there are any points at the Intergiro, just cash, real bonus
seconds (6,4,2) and Intergiro bonus seconds (30, 24,18 etc. unless they've
changed it). As you said, the real bonus seconds come off a rider's GC

time, while the Intergiro bonus seconds only count towards that competition.

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

Cycling4all claims the first 6 finishers at the intergiro gain points and
mentions only one set of bonus seconds for the intergiro...

Jeff's going to send the blimp to bomb you when he hears you've been
reading another cycling web site.

Donald Munro said:

Jeff's going to send the blimp to bomb you when he hears you've been
reading another cycling web site.

To activate Carnivore correctly, you should have mentioned anthrax as
well in your posting, as well as "bomb" and "blimp".

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

Cycling4all claims the first 6 finishers at the intergiro gain points
and mentions only one set of bonus seconds for the intergiro...

It's scored in seconds. There are no points.

Intergiro standings after stage 3

1 Sven Krauss (Ger) Gerolsteiner 7.49.04
2 Russel Van Hout (Aus) Selle Italia-Colombia 0.34
3 Paolo Bettini (Ita) Quick.Step 0.40
4 Stefano Zanini (Ita) Quick.Step
5 Bram Schmitz (Ned) T-Mobile Team
6 Alessandro Petacchi (Ita) Fassa Bortolo 0.46
7 Philippe Schnyder (Swi) Selle Italia-Colombia
8 Thorwald Veneberg (Ned) Rabobank
9 Francisco J. Ventoso Alberdi (Spa) Saunier Duval-Prodir 0.50
10 Leonardo Scarselli (Ita) Selle Italia-Colombia
11 Freddy Bichot (Fra) Francaise Des Jeux
12 Danilo Di Luca (Ita) Liquigas-Bianchi 0.55
13 Aurélien Clerc (Swi) Phonak Hearing Systems
14 Roy Sentjens (Bel) Rabobank
15 Moreno Di Biase (Ita) Selle Italia-Colombia 0.56

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

But there is
also the intergiro classification, which is calculated by counting only the
bonus seconds gained at the intergiro, nothing else.

I thought it also included actual race time to the Intergiro line.

JT

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On Tue, 10 May 2005 23:53:01 +1000, "Jeff Jones"

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The classifications I think are redundant are the Azzurri d'Italia and Most
combative classifcitions. The former is just based on top 3 in the stage
(like Points), and the latter is a combination of points and mountains, I
think. It's not a judged award like it is in the Tour. The Trofeo Fuga
piaggio is judged on the number of kilometres spent in a breakaway. And then
there are two types of team classifications and the Fair Play.

Why? I guess the Italians like podium time.

Isnt' there also something like the "grand prix of best hair"? I
don't know how to say it in Italian.

JT

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

But there is
also the intergiro classification, which is calculated by counting

only the

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bonus seconds gained at the intergiro, nothing else.

I thought it also included actual race time to the Intergiro line.

yes. it is another GC competition (i think, i'm not even sure).

the intergiro finish line is positioned so that sprinters can win (ie.
before the big climbs), but it is also possible for someone to win if
they get to the line first by being in an early break.

so it's a jacky durand competition.

but the cyclingnews reports only show the time for the winner of that
day's intergiro 'stage', so i'm not sure how it's scored.

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Isnt' there also something like the "grand prix of best hair"? I
don't know how to say it in Italian.

that's the intergiro.

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

On Tue, 10 May 2005 23:53:01 +1000, "Jeff Jones"

jeff@cyclingnews-punt-com said:

The classifications I think are redundant are the Azzurri d'Italia and Most
combative classifcitions. The former is just based on top 3 in the stage
(like Points), and the latter is a combination of points and mountains, I
think. It's not a judged award like it is in the Tour. The Trofeo Fuga
piaggio is judged on the number of kilometres spent in a breakaway. And then
there are two types of team classifications and the Fair Play.

Why? I guess the Italians like podium time.

Isnt' there also something like the "grand prix of best hair"? I
don't know how to say it in Italian.

JT

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If they don't, they should. Seems like what some of those dudes do
best. Or worst, in the case of Pozzato. Someone take a pair of
clippers to that. And quickly.

Jeff Jones said:

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

Cycling4all claims the first 6 finishers at the intergiro gain points
and mentions only one set of bonus seconds for the intergiro...

It's scored in seconds. There are no points.

Correcting myself here :-)

There are Intergiro seconds (30, 24 etc.)
There are real bonus sections (6, 4, 2)
There *are* points that count towards the points jersey (8, 6,4 ,2)
There is 1000 euros cash for first across the line.

That pretty much covers everything.

Jeff

Donald Munro said:

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Jeff's going to send the blimp to bomb you when he hears you've been
reading another cycling web site.

Stewart Fleming said:

To activate Carnivore correctly, you should have mentioned anthrax as
well in your posting, as well as "bomb" and "blimp".

They must have quite a file on me by now since I always use Al Qaeda as my
company or organization at websites that require registration.

I said:

Intergiro. Inexplicable secondary classification.

See other replies. What I tell ya?

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John Forrest Tomlinson said:

Jonathan v.d. Sluis said:

But there is
also the intergiro classification, which is calculated by counting

only the

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bonus seconds gained at the intergiro, nothing else.

I thought it also included actual race time to the Intergiro line.

yes. it is another GC competition (i think, i'm not even sure).

No, of it was, the time gaps in the intergiro classification would be
bigger.

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the intergiro finish line is positioned so that sprinters can win (ie.
before the big climbs), but it is also possible for someone to win if
they get to the line first by being in an early break.

so it's a jacky durand competition.

but the cyclingnews reports only show the time for the winner of that
day's intergiro 'stage', so i'm not sure how it's scored.

Jeff Jones said:

Why? I guess the Italians like podium time.

My understanding on this one is that doing what is essentially a
mid-race "finish line" is there to keep the speed up during the earlier
parts of the stage.

A problem that the Giro has traditionally had is with the riders taking
it comparatively slowly for much of a stage (not a lot of breakaways),
and serious racing not happening for much more than the last hour or so.
I suppose mid-stage sprint bonuses are an exception, but apparently
not enough to encourage breakaways that stay away.

Thus, the Intergiro classification is intended as another way of
encouraging a faster pace.

Smith