Giro Atmos Helmet

I cannot believe that no one here on a bicycle Ng does not know the retail
cost of one of these ??? What da
"Victor" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Anyone know how much one of these helmets cost, and who stocks them in
Sydney ?

Cheers,

I was led to believe by a couple of bike shops in Brisbane that Giro helmets
were no longer imported to Australia because they did not meet Australian
safety regulations.

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Anyone know how much one of these helmets cost, and who stocks them in
Sydney ?

Cheers,

Victor said:

I cannot believe that no one here on a bicycle Ng does not know the retail
cost of one of these ??? What da
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Anyone know how much one of these helmets cost, and who stocks them in
Sydney ?

Cheers,

Have you tried ringing a bike shop and asking them?

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Nick

I don't think complying with our National Standard is a big enough deal for the big international helmet manufacturers. Australia in some cases make up to 0.1 - 0.5% of their market. So they just don't bother making the small changes necessary or just don't bother to submit the helmet for approval.

Do what I did and buy a new Bell helmet from Ebay in the US, shipping costs won’t bit,e because the item is lite:-)

powinc

powinc said:

I don't think complying with our National Standard is a big enough deal for the big international helmet manufacturers. Australia in some cases make up to 0.1 - 0.5% of their market. So they just don't bother making the small changes necessary or just don't bother to submit the helmet for approval.

Do what I did and buy a new Bell helmet from Ebay in the US, shipping costs won’t bit,e because the item is lite:-)

powinc

That's right, they don't meet Aust. Standards, but I did hear of some being sold for $425 AUS.

Do what I did and get one from eBay, $180 AUS arrived in a week or so. I just did a search and found them for $103 US being sold by a guy with a 2000+ ranking (usually a good sign).

Also, most roadies would prefer to wear an Italian helmet like Limar, Met or
LAS than a Chinese helmet.

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I was led to believe by a couple of bike shops in Brisbane that Giro
helmets were no longer imported to Australia because they did not meet
Australian safety regulations.

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Anyone know how much one of these helmets cost, and who stocks them in
Sydney ?

Cheers,

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powinc said:

I don't think complying with our National Standard is a big enough deal
for the big international helmet manufacturers. Australia in some cases
make up to 0.1 - 0.5% of their market. So they just don't bother making
the small changes necessary or just don't bother to submit the helmet
for approval.

Do what I did and buy a new Bell helmet from Ebay in the US, shipping
costs won't bit,e because the item is lite:-)

powinc

That's right, they don't meet Aust. Standards, but I did hear of some
being sold for $425 AUS.

Do what I did and get one from eBay, $180 AUS arrived in a week or so.
I just did a search and found them for $103 US being sold by a guy with
a 2000+ ranking (usually a good sign).

--
B.T.

You can't race in them unless they have the Australian Standards sticker.

Marty

Steve said:

Also, most roadies would prefer to wear an Italian helmet like Limar, Met or
LAS than a Chinese helmet.

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I was led to believe by a couple of bike shops in Brisbane that Giro
helmets were no longer imported to Australia because they did not meet
Australian safety regulations.

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Anyone know how much one of these helmets cost, and who stocks them in
Sydney ?

Cheers,

I had a discussion with the Australian importer of Giro about their helmets being sold here with a sticker which stated that the helmet to which it was attached was not legal for riding on Australian roads. Happened to be the top of the range at the time. Bottom line is that it costs big bucks (upwards of $20,000 if I recall accurately) for testing and certification fees. Doing the maths, if the importer makes 10% on a top end helmet that retails at $300, that's around 700 helmets that have to be sold before a profit is returned. Most restrict their range of helmets to those that appeal to the mass market more than the $300 items.

It must also be said that they are not tested against Australian Standards, rather than they do not meet Aussie Standards. They are usually certified to meet US standards however.

I tried on a very nice Met Ippogriffo for less than $100 in the LBS today but it did not fit comfortably. Bell seem to be the shape for my skull. I have a new top of the range Bell Ghisallo on its way from the US at the moment. It will cost me AUD$90 including freight.

SteveA

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You can't race in them unless they have the Australian Standards sticker.

Are you sure about that? When I bought my Giro Pneumo a few years ago,
I made a few enquiries. The international standards sticker was
recognised by the Australian government but not by the state
governments. It was not approved for road riding, but was approved for
racing.

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Regards.
Richard.

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You can't race in them unless they have the Australian Standards sticker.

Are you sure about that? When I bought my Giro Pneumo a few years ago,
I made a few enquiries. The international standards sticker was
recognised by the Australian government but not by the state
governments. It was not approved for road riding, but was approved for
racing.

--
Regards.
Richard.

Well I'm pretty sure (but I can't be bothered looking it up) that it's not
recognised as a legal helmet by the law without the Australian Standards
sticker, and if it's not accepted by the law then it's not accepted by the
cycling federation, because the federation says you must have a legal
cycling helmet. Secondly, since our road rules are,( or are becoming)
national, you'll find it will be Australia wide if it isn't already so. In
addition, I'm pretty sure the Cycling Federation has brought in rules that
ban aero helmets in racing whether they are Australian Standards approved or
not. ( I stand on pretty shakey ground here but i'm sure i read it in one of
their mailouts about a year or so ago. Anyone able to clarify things?)

Marty

Marty

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Marty Wallace said:

Well I'm pretty sure (but I can't be bothered looking it up) that it's not
recognised as a legal helmet by the law without the Australian Standards
sticker

And if you have an accident and you're wearing a helmet without the
sticker, you're giving insurance companies plenty of room to squirm.

--
Shane Stanley

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I cannot believe that no one here on a bicycle Ng does not know the retail
cost of one of these ??? What da

Lessee.. a MASSIVE two, count 'em '2' google hits
for this helmet in .au. Doesn't sound very popular does
it? Maybe that's why there's no peeps with info about
them..

hippy

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You can't race in them unless they have the Australian Standards sticker.

Incorrect. You can wear helmets with any recognised safety standard.

"Marty Wallace" <[email hidden]

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Well I'm pretty sure (but I can't be bothered looking it up) that it's not
recognised as a legal helmet by the law without the Australian Standards
sticker, and if it's not accepted by the law then it's not accepted by the
cycling federation, because the federation says you must have a legal
cycling helmet. Secondly, since our road rules are,( or are becoming)
national, you'll find it will be Australia wide if it isn't already so. In
addition, I'm pretty sure the Cycling Federation has brought in rules that
ban aero helmets in racing whether they are Australian Standards approved

or

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not. ( I stand on pretty shakey ground here but i'm sure i read it in one

of

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their mailouts about a year or so ago. Anyone able to clarify things?)

It seems you 'can' wear a helmet without Aus standards approval,
although I didn't think this was the case until I read the rules here.

Vic rules:
http://www.vic.cycling.org.au/About%20Us/2004MarchTechRegs.pdf

"All helmets must meet the requirements of the Australian Standards
Association or equivalent International Standard."

UCI rules:
http://www.vic.cycling.org.au/Rules%20and%20Officials/ucihelmets.htm

Not sure about the use of aero helmets in Aus, but the UCI did
ban the non-protective aero "fairings" used in TT's. There was a
rush of development by helmet makers before le tour in order to
produce aero helmets that actually offered some protection to
the rider's head.

hippy

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"Marty Wallace" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You can't race in them unless they have the Australian Standards

sticker.

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Incorrect. You can wear helmets with any recognised safety standard.

Ok, you've forced me to read the rules. (Bugger!)

http://www.cycling.org.au/Content/ContentGroups/Documents/2004MarchTechRegs.pdf

Page 15 of the Australian Cycling Federation Rules - Technical Regulations.

3.5 HELMETS

3.5.01 An approved hard shell helmet must be worn at all times during
competition, warming up for an event or when riding on the road at a race
meeting.

3.5.02 All helmets must meet the requirements of the Australian Standards
Association or equivalent International Standard.

Marty

hippy said:

"Marty Wallace" <[email hidden]

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Well I'm pretty sure (but I can't be bothered looking it up) that it's not
recognised as a legal helmet by the law without the Australian Standards
sticker, and if it's not accepted by the law then it's not accepted by the
cycling federation, because the federation says you must have a legal
cycling helmet. Secondly, since our road rules are,( or are becoming)
national, you'll find it will be Australia wide if it isn't already so. In
addition, I'm pretty sure the Cycling Federation has brought in rules that
ban aero helmets in racing whether they are Australian Standards approved

or

Quoted message said:

not. ( I stand on pretty shakey ground here but i'm sure i read it in one

of

Quoted message said:

their mailouts about a year or so ago. Anyone able to clarify things?)

It seems you 'can' wear a helmet without Aus standards approval,
although I didn't think this was the case until I read the rules here.

Vic rules:
http://www.vic.cycling.org.au/About%20Us/2004MarchTechRegs.pdf

"All helmets must meet the requirements of the Australian Standards
Association or equivalent International Standard."

UCI rules:
http://www.vic.cycling.org.au/Rules%20and%20Officials/ucihelmets.htm

Not sure about the use of aero helmets in Aus, but the UCI did
ban the non-protective aero "fairings" used in TT's. There was a
rush of development by helmet makers before le tour in order to
produce aero helmets that actually offered some protection to
the rider's head.

hippy

I believe that means as published by ASO OR the proper ISO and not just
any other "country X" standards, right?

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Well I'm pretty sure (but I can't be bothered looking it up) that it's not
recognised as a legal helmet by the law without the Australian Standards
sticker, and if it's not accepted by the law then it's not accepted by the
cycling federation, because the federation says you must have a legal
cycling helmet. Secondly, since our road rules are,( or are becoming)
national, you'll find it will be Australia wide if it isn't already so. In
addition, I'm pretty sure the Cycling Federation has brought in rules that
ban aero helmets in racing whether they are Australian Standards approved

or

Quoted message said:

not. ( I stand on pretty shakey ground here but i'm sure i read it in one

of

Quoted message said:

their mailouts about a year or so ago. Anyone able to clarify things?)

You're confusing the australian road rules with the rules of the UCI. In
all UCI races (including track) riders must wear an approved safety helmet.
This is why the older aero egg-shell tear-drop helmets can no longer be worn
in TT's, and have now been replaced by the aero egg-head bulbous (safety)
helmets!

From www.cycling.org.au, australian technical regulations 2004:
3.5 HELMETS
3.5.01 An approved hard shell helmet must be worn at all times during
competition, warming up for an event or when riding on the road at a race
meeting.
3.5.02 All helmets must meet the requirements of the Australian Standards
Association or equivalent International Standard

This is why you actually see riders in the Tour De France for example
wearing helmets now (except where the rule exempts them, on very difficult
hill top finishes they can dump them a few km from the top, where there's a
sign telling them they can!)

With regards to the Australian Road Rules, the rule 256 basically says you
must wear an approved helmet (unless exempt under another law). As far as I
know not every state has the same legal definition of approved helmet, nor
do they have the same exemptions. So the 'road rules' may be the same, but
the state legislation behind them is not!

Bicycle helmets are subject to a mandatory product standard under the Trade
Practices Act 1974, which makes it an offence for a company to supply goods
that are the subject of a mandatory standard which do not comply. However,
as I understand it, bike shops, importers etc made a case to the ACCC that
this was a restriction in their trade. That is why when you do buy a helmet
in Australia that does not comply with the ASNZ standard, it has to come
with a sticker saying it's for competition use only and does not meet the
standard, so if a consumer buys one they know full well what they're
getting. If the seller does not supply this sticker/information, they can
get in a bit of trouble, like here:
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/87783/fromItemId/378012.

Hope this helps!
Gemma

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Well I'm pretty sure (but I can't be bothered looking it up) that it's

not

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recognised as a legal helmet by the law without the Australian Standards
sticker, and if it's not accepted by the law then it's not accepted by

the

Quoted message said:

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cycling federation, because the federation says you must have a legal
cycling helmet. Secondly, since our road rules are,( or are becoming)
national, you'll find it will be Australia wide if it isn't already so.

In

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

addition, I'm pretty sure the Cycling Federation has brought in rules

that

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ban aero helmets in racing whether they are Australian Standards

approved

Quoted message said:

or

Quoted message said:

not. ( I stand on pretty shakey ground here but i'm sure i read it in

one

Quoted message said:

of

Quoted message said:

their mailouts about a year or so ago. Anyone able to clarify things?)

You're confusing the australian road rules with the rules of the UCI. In
all UCI races (including track) riders must wear an approved safety

helmet.

Quoted message said:

This is why the older aero egg-shell tear-drop helmets can no longer be

worn

Quoted message said:

in TT's, and have now been replaced by the aero egg-head bulbous (safety)
helmets!

From www.cycling.org.au, australian technical regulations 2004:
3.5 HELMETS
3.5.01 An approved hard shell helmet must be worn at all times during
competition, warming up for an event or when riding on the road at a race
meeting.
3.5.02 All helmets must meet the requirements of the Australian Standards
Association or equivalent International Standard

This is why you actually see riders in the Tour De France for example
wearing helmets now (except where the rule exempts them, on very difficult
hill top finishes they can dump them a few km from the top, where there's

a

Quoted message said:

sign telling them they can!)

With regards to the Australian Road Rules, the rule 256 basically says you
must wear an approved helmet (unless exempt under another law). As far as

I

Quoted message said:

know not every state has the same legal definition of approved helmet, nor
do they have the same exemptions. So the 'road rules' may be the same,

but

Quoted message said:

the state legislation behind them is not!

Bicycle helmets are subject to a mandatory product standard under the

Trade

Quoted message said:

Practices Act 1974, which makes it an offence for a company to supply

goods

Quoted message said:

that are the subject of a mandatory standard which do not comply.

However,

Quoted message said:

as I understand it, bike shops, importers etc made a case to the ACCC that
this was a restriction in their trade. That is why when you do buy a

helmet

Quoted message said:

in Australia that does not comply with the ASNZ standard, it has to come
with a sticker saying it's for competition use only and does not meet the
standard, so if a consumer buys one they know full well what they're
getting. If the seller does not supply this sticker/information, they

can

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get in a bit of trouble, like here:
http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/87783/fromItemId/378012.

Hope this helps!
Gemma

That's fine. The context of my comment was the use of a helmet in racing in
Australia.

Marty