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  1. Well it's the first anniversary of my Giro. Here are some numbers. 3120 miles
    231.8 hours road time
    232.459 mph average.

    [While 13.459 mph doesn't seem all that fast. . I seldom go out for a ride and average less than
    15mph. I'm really curious if anyone else has miles vs accumilated riding time stats]

    This Giro was one of the early ones. I've replaced the bottom bracket, that died around the 1300
    mile point. So far nearly 2k miles on a new FSA with no problems. My original idler was badly
    grooved and replaced at 1900 miles with an improved model freebee from Bacchetta. So far it looks
    really good with over 1200 miles on it.

    I replaced the chain and cassette at 2300 miles. I tried taking the chain apart at a master link
    earlier in its life and not realizing it was not a reusable link weakened it. It eventually failed.
    The chain was a KMC. The new chain is a Sram pc-59 and the cassette is also a 9 speed Sram. They
    work well together, and the shifting is nice and crisp.

    I've had several tire combinations on the bike over the last year. The original were the 65 pound
    Kenda Kwests. They worked ok, but I over inflated the rear tire one too many times and it started to
    separate from the wire bead. When Kenda says 65 pounds they mean it. I also tried a Performance 1.25
    inch kevlar city tire, with good results. It was matched with a Primo comet kevlar and the
    durability and rolling resistance seemed acceptable. The current Tires are a set of Kenda Kwest 100
    psi 1.25 inch wide units. They roll nice and are quite durable. I've got about 1200 miles on them
    with only one flat. I believe I hit a piece of jagged metal on a bridge approach. There was a 1/4
    inch cut on the front tire and a pinhole in the tube. I replaced the tube and reinforced the tire on
    the inside of the cut and have ridden it more than 1000 miles since. One thing that impressed me
    about the Kenda Tire is the thickness of the rubber on the center of the tire. It feels quite thick,
    much thicker than any tire I have ever used. For my weight (250 pounds) 1200 miles is quite good for
    a rear tire. I usually don't get much more than 1400 miles before the rolling surface gets flat and
    the cords start to show. I think these will last quite a while longer. The rolling surface is just
    starting to wear flat.

    The Giro is my third main recumbent. I've owned a BikeE, Rans Vrex (still have it). I also own a
    EZ-1 that doesn't get much use. The Giro compares very favorably with the Vrex. Speed wise they are
    quite similar, my coast downs are just a tick faster with the Giro. I like the handling of the Giro
    better. The seat on the Giro fits me perfectly, and I prefer the superman posistion to the Hamster
    bars of the Vrex. The longer wheel base has some nice passive suspension, yet it doesn't have power
    robbing flex.

    I am very pleased with the bike it has a nice combination of comfort, handling and speed. It's my
    current ride of choice.

    Denny in Sayre, Pa "Bent but not Broken" Current Bacchetta owners or prospective owners are invited
    to Join the Bacchetta_Bikes egroup on Yahoo.com

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Well it's the first anniversary of my Giro. Here are some numbers. 3120 miles
    231.8 hours road time
    13.459 mph average.

    Coincidently, this happens to be my 1 year anniversary on the Giro. My mileage reads 3478. I have
    about an equal number of miles this year on the P-38 Voyager

    I have the numbers logged, you tempt me to go back and total the road time.

    Quoted message said:


    [While 13.459 mph doesn't seem all that fast. . I seldom go out for a ride and average less than
    15mph. I'm really curious if anyone else has miles vs accumilated riding time stats]

    This Giro was one of the early ones.

    Mine too.

    Quoted message said:

    I've replaced the bottom bracket, that died around the 1300 mile point. So far nearly 2k miles on
    a new FSA with no problems.

    I'm still running the original BB Probably needs to be lubed but it is still sounding good.

    Quoted message said:

    My original idler was badly grooved and replaced at 1900 miles with an improved model freebee
    from Bacchetta. So far it looks really good with over 1200 miles on it.

    My original idler lasted ~400 miles. Bacchetta was nice and prompt on the free replacement to
    correct the defect.

    Quoted message said:


    I replaced the chain and cassette at 2300 miles. I tried taking the chain apart at a master link
    earlier in its life and not realizing it was not a reusable link weakened it. It eventually
    failed. The chain was a KMC. The new chain is a Sram pc-59 and the cassette is also a 9 speed
    Sram. They work well together, and the shifting is nice and crisp.

    I have a new chain and SRAM 11-34 cassette Only because I got a new wheel I too replaced the OEM
    rear deraillerur with a SRAM X.0 (Also replaced the shifter to match the SRAM accuation.)

    After a couple of thousand miles on the Giro, The rear wheel started to creak. I first swapped it
    with a Velocity razor on a ChrisKing hub and later I used the old XT/Sun wheel that was on the P-38.
    I do not know what to do about the noisy OEM wheel that came with the Bacchetta. The noise comes
    from the spokes when the wheel flexes each revolution. The rim is probably OK and the Hub is too but
    does it need a rebuild?

    Quoted message said:


    I've had several tire combinations on the bike over the last year. The original were the 65 pound
    Kenda Kwests. They worked ok, but I over inflated the rear tire one too many times and it started
    to separate from the wire bead. When Kenda says 65 pounds they mean it.

    Over inflation must have been my problem too. My rear tires stared separating alonge the bead too.
    Since the Kenda Kwest, I have had (briefly) Schwalbe Stelvios and currently Vredestein S-Licks The
    S- Licks work best for commuting.

    Quoted message said:

    I also tried a Performance 1.25 inch kevlar city tire, with good results. It was matched with a
    Primo comet kevlar and the durability and rolling resistance seemed acceptable. The current Tires
    are a set of Kenda Kwest 100 psi 1.25 inch wide units. They roll nice and are quite durable. I've
    got about 1200 miles on them with only one flat. I believe I hit a piece of jagged metal on a
    bridge approach. There was a 1/4 inch cut on the front tire and a pinhole in the tube. I replaced
    the tube and reinforced the tire on the inside of the cut and have ridden it more than 1000 miles
    since. One thing that impressed me about the Kenda Tire is the thickness of the rubber on the
    center of the tire. It feels quite thick, much thicker than any tire I have ever used. For my
    weight (250 pounds) 1200 miles is quite good for a rear tire. I usually don't get much more than
    1400 miles before the rolling surface gets flat and the cords start to show. I think these will
    last quite a while longer. The rolling surface is just starting to wear flat.

    I found the Kendas heavy and therefore sluggish. IMO The Vreds do an better job for a wide tire to
    carry the weight, road surfaces and speed.

    Quoted message said:

    The Giro is my third main recumbent. I've owned a BikeE, Rans Vrex (still have it). I also own a
    EZ-1 that doesn't get much use. The Giro compares very favorably with the Vrex. Speed wise they
    are quite similar, my coast downs are just a tick faster with the Giro. I like the handling of the
    Giro better. The seat on the Giro fits me perfectly, and I prefer the superman posistion to the
    Hamster bars of the Vrex. The longer wheel base has some nice passive suspension, yet it doesn't
    have power robbing flex.

    --
    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -

  3. 4500 miles so far this year. average speed as kept by siesta software program 16.2 on TiGRR with
    sock, in SC., age 58. "Denny Voorhees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well it's the first anniversary of my Giro. Here are some numbers. 3120 miles
    231.8 hours road time
    13.459 mph average.

    [While 13.459 mph doesn't seem all that fast. . I seldom go out for a


    ride

    Quoted message said:

    and average less than 15mph. I'm really curious if anyone else has miles


    vs

    Quoted message said:

    accumilated riding time stats]

    This Giro was one of the early ones. I've replaced the bottom bracket,


    that

    Quoted message said:

    died around the 1300 mile point. So far nearly 2k miles on a new FSA with


    no

    Quoted message said:

    problems. My original idler was badly grooved and replaced at 1900 miles with an improved model
    freebee from Bacchetta. So far it looks really good with over 1200 miles on it.

    I replaced the chain and cassette at 2300 miles. I tried taking the chain apart at a master
    link earlier in its life and not realizing it was not a reusable link weakened it. It
    eventually failed. The chain was a KMC. The new chain is a Sram pc-59 and the cassette is also
    a 9 speed Sram.


    They

    Quoted message said:

    work well together, and the shifting is nice and crisp.

    I've had several tire combinations on the bike over the last year. The original were the 65 pound
    Kenda Kwests. They worked ok, but I over


    inflated

    Quoted message said:

    the rear tire one too many times and it started to separate from the wire bead. When Kenda says 65
    pounds they mean it. I also tried a Performance 1.25 inch kevlar city tire, with good results. It
    was matched with a Primo comet kevlar and the durability and rolling resistance seemed acceptable.
    The current Tires are a set of Kenda Kwest 100 psi 1.25 inch wide units. They roll nice and are
    quite durable. I've got about 1200 miles on them


    with

    Quoted message said:

    only one flat. I believe I hit a piece of jagged metal on a bridge approach. There was a 1/4 inch
    cut on the front tire and a pinhole in the tube. I replaced the tube and reinforced the tire on
    the inside of the cut and have ridden it more than 1000 miles since. One thing that impressed me
    about the Kenda Tire is the thickness of the rubber on the center of the tire. It feels quite
    thick, much thicker than any tire I have ever used. For my weight (250 pounds) 1200 miles is quite
    good for a rear tire. I usually don't get much more than 1400 miles before the rolling surface
    gets flat and the cords start to show. I think these will last quite a while longer. The rolling
    surface is just starting to


    wear

    Quoted message said:

    flat.

    The Giro is my third main recumbent. I've owned a BikeE, Rans Vrex (still have it). I also own a
    EZ-1 that doesn't get much use. The Giro compares very favorably with the Vrex. Speed wise they
    are quite similar, my coast downs are just a tick faster with the Giro. I like the handling of the
    Giro better. The seat on the Giro fits me perfectly, and I prefer the superman posistion to the
    Hamster bars of the Vrex. The longer wheel base has some nice passive suspension, yet it doesn't
    have power robbing flex.

    I am very pleased with the bike it has a nice combination of comfort, handling and speed. It's my
    current ride of choice.

    Denny in Sayre, Pa "Bent but not Broken" Current Bacchetta owners or prospective owners are
    invited to Join the Bacchetta_Bikes egroup on Yahoo.com

  4. VERY GOOD 1 year report Denny! Your overall health benefits are probably in the Great range due
    to all those miles on the Giro too. Also your Bacchetta Yahoo group is the BEST and a good source
    of knowledge and fun stuff, concerning Bacchetta's. EZ Biker :-) Pompano Beach, Fl. (Bacchetta
    Aero Pilot)

    "Denny Voorhees" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Well it's the first anniversary of my Giro. Here are some numbers. 3120 miles
    231.8 hours road time
    13.459 mph average.

    [While 13.459 mph doesn't seem all that fast. . I seldom go out for a


    ride

    Quoted message said:

    and average less than 15mph. I'm really curious if anyone else has miles


    vs

    Quoted message said:

    accumilated riding time stats]

  5. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Well it's the first anniversary of my Giro. Here are some numbers. 3120 miles
    231.8 hours road time
    13.459 mph average.

    Coincidently, this happens to be my 1 year anniversary on the Giro. My mileage reads 3478. I have
    about an equal number of miles this year on the P-38 Voyager

    I have the numbers logged, you tempt me to go back and total the road time.

    As a confirmed 'anal retentive' I have to report an average of 14.89 or 233.65 hours total
    road time.
    --

    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -

  6. Time wise you guys are neck and neck. Good to see two well loved bikes.

    I gave my Giro to my sweetheart and am riding a vr40 right now.

    I just do not like the Bacchetta steering set up, but for my right arm, USS really works a
    lot better.

    Some of the legfiets bikes seem to have a more usable OSS geometry, but sadly, the thing everyone
    else seems to love about the bike is the thing that causes me to charlie horse after 20 miles or so.
    I also would drive my thumbnail into my numb thigh, cutting it without noticing-- that was the kiss
    of death for the tweener bar.

    In every other respect it is the far superior bike, and as I told John S., when they make a USS
    bike, I will likely pawn my shoes and go buy one.

    By the way, Cat loves the new idler wheel set up that they sent to replace the one that split in
    half one mile from the end of a one hundred sixty five mile trip.

    Randy

  7. Cletus, as a confirmed anal retentive, (I'm confirmed Episcopal myself), what is your normal terrian
    like. I'm located at the gateway to the enless mountains of Pennsylvania, to give you an Idea of the
    terrain here. I know you commute daily, and overall you probably have twice the miles I do this year
    (just a bit under 2800). I think we probably differ in size too. If I were to loose say...oh 100
    pounds maybe I could get my average up
    1.3mph ya think? Denny "Cletus Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, > As a


    confirmed 'anal retentive' I have to report an average of 14.89 or 233.65 hours total road

    Quoted message said:

    time.
    --

    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:


    Cletus, as a confirmed anal retentive, (I'm confirmed Episcopal myself), what is your normal
    terrian like. I'm located at the gateway to the enless mountains of Pennsylvania, to give you an
    Idea of the terrain here. I know you commute daily, and overall you probably have twice the miles
    I do this year (just a bit under 2800). I think we probably differ in size too. If I were to loose
    say...oh 100 pounds maybe I could get my average up
    1.3mph ya think?

    If your rides end up where you start, then I'd say your rides are just like mine... Essentially
    flat. Since the up hills cancel the down hills. Right?

    Nearly two years ago, I dropped nearly 20 lbs. when that happened, my average speed increased about
    1.5 mph (1.3???).
    --

    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -

  9. I'm a 7th Day Ecumenical. Also, an anal retentive. I ride a GRR Ti Rush. "Denny Voorhees"
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Cletus, as a confirmed anal retentive, (I'm confirmed Episcopal myself), what is your normal
    terrian like. I'm located at the gateway to the enless mountains of Pennsylvania, to give you
    an Idea of the terrain here. I know you commute daily, and overall you probably have twice
    the miles I


    do

    Quoted message said:

    this year (just a bit under 2800). I think we probably differ in size too. If I were to loose
    say...oh 100 pounds maybe I could get my average up
    1.3mph ya think? Denny "Cletus Lee" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, > As a


    confirmed 'anal retentive' I have to report an average of 14.89 or 233.65 hours total road

    Quoted message said:

    time.
    --

    Cletus D. Lee Bacchetta Giro Lightning Voyager clee.orgclee.org
    - Bellaire, TX USA -

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