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  1. http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html

    By Steve Dow

    Want to lose weight? Controversial research to be unveiled this week
    suggests your bad cholesterol levels could rise if you plump for a
    high-protein diet but ignore low-glycaemic index ("GI"😉 foods.

    Experts agree that either a diet high in carbohydrate but low in GI, or
    a diet high in protein, will help you shed kilograms. Low-GI foods are
    those that the body slowly digests and absorbs, such as muesli, pasta
    and green salad.

    But the authors of a new Sydney University study to be presented at the
    National Heart Foundation conference at the weekend suggest the low-GI
    approach is crucial for controlling your LDL, or "bad", cholesterol.

    The study, headed by PhD student Joanna McMillan-Price, examined 129
    men and women aged 18 to 35. They were split into four groups and put
    on a diet of varying glycaemic load for 12 weeks. All four diet groups
    lost body fat. But the group placed on a high-protein diet with reduced
    carbohydrates scored an average LDL cholesterol level 10 per cent
    higher than the other groups. Another diet group given just as much red
    meat - but combined with significant servings of low-GI carbohydrates -
    recorded falls in LDL cholesterol.

    Jennie Brand-Miller, a Sydney University professor of human nutrition
    and the study co-author, says if you choose low-GI carbs "you can be
    protected from any effects of red meat".

    High-GI diets, which include processed breads and potatoes, were
    associated with high cholesterol, according to the study findings, says
    Brand-Miller.

    The red meat itself was statistically "not the cause" of the high
    cholesterol in this study, although Brand-Miller says the "potential"
    for red meat to increase cholesterol is "definitely there" on a
    high-protein diet.

    The Meat and Livestock Corporation helped fund the study.

    The message, says Brand-Miller, is that "if you ignore the GI in your
    carbohydrates, then you might see adverse changes in your blood lipids
    [fats]".

    "Lowering glycaemic load by reducing the GI of carbohydrates is the
    most effective mechanism of promoting body fat loss, as well as
    improvements in cholesterol level," she says. "Reducing glycaemic load
    by increasing protein may also be effective, but it's doubly important
    to choose low-glycaemic carbohydrates."

    For most people, particularly women, a low glycaemic load "might be
    safer to achieve with a high-carbohydrate diet than a high-protein
    diet". The group that achieved the best body fat loss and cholesterol
    fall was on a high carbohydrate, low-GI diet (see breakout).

    The University of Sydney has a big interest in low-GI diets. Experts
    including Brand-Miller have authored books such as The New Glucose
    Revolution and The Low GI Diet, with sales of more than 2 million.

    In Adelaide, the CSIRO has questioned Sydney University's findings as
    "out of step". Manny Noakes, an associate professor in CSIRO's human
    nutrition department, says she has not seen the full study, but has
    heard Brand-Miller present the early stages.

    "The comments about high-protein diets are not supported by many other
    studies," she says. "Both our own studies and many others show that LDL
    cholesterol goes down with these diets."

    Noakes is co-author of The CSIRO Total Wellbeing Diet book, which
    emphasises more protein from red meat and fish but also includes
    wholegrains, vegetables, fruit and milk.

    "All of the studies that have been published on moderately high protein
    diets that are not like the [highest protein] Atkins diet, all of them
    have shown a reduction in LDL, and that's pretty obviously because they
    were lean protein foods," says Noakes. "Unless you're on something like
    the Atkins diet, in which case there's no change [in LDL].

    "And there wasn't necessarily any attention given to GI in those
    studies, mostly because the amount of carbohydrate is relatively low
    anyway."

    Noakes says there are additional benefits of higher protein diets for
    weight loss, such as improved levels of iron, zinc and vitamin B12.

    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18588951%255E23289,00.html

    http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=4459

  2. [email hidden] wrote:
    ::
    http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html
    ::
    :: By Steve Dow
    ::
    :: Want to lose weight? Controversial research to be unveiled this week
    :: suggests your bad cholesterol levels could rise if you plump for a
    :: high-protein diet but ignore low-glycaemic index ("GI"😉 foods.
    ::
    :: Experts agree that either a diet high in carbohydrate but low in GI,
    :: or a diet high in protein, will help you shed kilograms. Low-GI
    :: foods are those that the body slowly digests and absorbs, such as
    :: muesli, pasta and green salad.

    Aren't most pasta just starch? Those will have a big imact on BG.

    ::
    :: But the authors of a new Sydney University study to be presented at
    :: the National Heart Foundation conference at the weekend suggest the
    :: low-GI approach is crucial for controlling your LDL, or "bad",
    :: cholesterol.
    ::
    :: The study, headed by PhD student Joanna McMillan-Price, examined 129
    :: men and women aged 18 to 35. They were split into four groups and put
    :: on a diet of varying glycaemic load for 12 weeks. All four diet
    :: groups lost body fat. But the group placed on a high-protein diet
    :: with reduced carbohydrates scored an average LDL cholesterol level
    :: 10 per cent higher than the other groups. Another diet group given
    :: just as much red meat - but combined with significant servings of
    :: low-GI carbohydrates - recorded falls in LDL cholesterol.
    ::
    :: Jennie Brand-Miller, a Sydney University professor of human nutrition
    :: and the study co-author, says if you choose low-GI carbs "you can be
    :: protected from any effects of red meat".
    ::
    :: High-GI diets, which include processed breads and potatoes, were
    :: associated with high cholesterol, according to the study findings,
    :: says Brand-Miller.
    ::
    :: The red meat itself was statistically "not the cause" of the high
    :: cholesterol in this study, although Brand-Miller says the "potential"
    :: for red meat to increase cholesterol is "definitely there" on a
    :: high-protein diet.
    ::
    :: The Meat and Livestock Corporation helped fund the study.
    ::
    :: The message, says Brand-Miller, is that "if you ignore the GI in your
    :: carbohydrates, then you might see adverse changes in your blood
    :: lipids [fats]".
    ::
    :: "Lowering glycaemic load by reducing the GI of carbohydrates is the
    :: most effective mechanism of promoting body fat loss, as well as
    :: improvements in cholesterol level," she says. "Reducing glycaemic
    :: load by increasing protein may also be effective, but it's doubly
    :: important to choose low-glycaemic carbohydrates."
    ::
    :: For most people, particularly women, a low glycaemic load "might be
    :: safer to achieve with a high-carbohydrate diet than a high-protein
    :: diet". The group that achieved the best body fat loss and cholesterol
    :: fall was on a high carbohydrate, low-GI diet (see breakout).
    ::
    :: The University of Sydney has a big interest in low-GI diets. Experts
    :: including Brand-Miller have authored books such as The New Glucose
    :: Revolution and The Low GI Diet, with sales of more than 2 million.
    ::
    :: In Adelaide, the CSIRO has questioned Sydney University's findings as
    :: "out of step". Manny Noakes, an associate professor in CSIRO's human
    :: nutrition department, says she has not seen the full study, but has
    :: heard Brand-Miller present the early stages.
    ::
    :: "The comments about high-protein diets are not supported by many
    :: other studies," she says. "Both our own studies and many others show
    :: that LDL cholesterol goes down with these diets."
    ::
    :: Noakes is co-author of The CSIRO Total Wellbeing Diet book, which
    :: emphasises more protein from red meat and fish but also includes
    :: wholegrains, vegetables, fruit and milk.
    ::
    :: "All of the studies that have been published on moderately high
    :: protein diets that are not like the [highest protein] Atkins diet,
    :: all of them have shown a reduction in LDL, and that's pretty
    :: obviously because they were lean protein foods," says Noakes.
    :: "Unless you're on something like the Atkins diet, in which case
    :: there's no change [in LDL].
    ::
    :: "And there wasn't necessarily any attention given to GI in those
    :: studies, mostly because the amount of carbohydrate is relatively low
    :: anyway."
    ::
    :: Noakes says there are additional benefits of higher protein diets for
    :: weight loss, such as improved levels of iron, zinc and vitamin B12.
    ::
    ::
    http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,18588951%255E23289,00.html
    ::
    :: http://www.commonvoice.com/article.asp?colid=4459

  3. On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:46:46 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.cardiology,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes
    :

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    ::
    http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html
    ::
    :: By Steve Dow
    ::
    :: Want to lose weight? Controversial research to be unveiled this week
    :: suggests your bad cholesterol levels could rise if you plump for a
    :: high-protein diet but ignore low-glycaemic index ("GI"😉 foods.
    ::
    :: Experts agree that either a diet high in carbohydrate but low in GI,
    :: or a diet high in protein, will help you shed kilograms. Low-GI
    :: foods are those that the body slowly digests and absorbs, such as
    :: muesli, pasta and green salad.

    Aren't most pasta just starch? Those will have a big imact on BG

    Pastas have a fairly low GI. It's a FAQ on www.glycemicindex.com...
    Q: Why does pasta have a low GI?
    A: Pasta has a low GI because of the physical entrapment of
    ungelatinised starch granules in a sponge-like network of protein
    (gluten) molecules in the pasta dough. Pasta is unique in this regard.
    As a result, pastas of any shape and size have a fairly low GI (30 to
    60). Asian noodles such as hokkein, udon and rice vermicelli also have
    low to intermediate GI values.
    ===============================================

    X'Posted to: alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.cardiology,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes

  4. Enrico C said:

    On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:46:46 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote in
    <news:[email hidden]> on
    alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.cardiology,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes
    :

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] wrote:
    ::
    http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html
    ::
    :: By Steve Dow
    ::
    :: Want to lose weight? Controversial research to be unveiled this week
    :: suggests your bad cholesterol levels could rise if you plump for a
    :: high-protein diet but ignore low-glycaemic index ("GI"😉 foods.
    ::
    :: Experts agree that either a diet high in carbohydrate but low in GI,
    :: or a diet high in protein, will help you shed kilograms. Low-GI
    :: foods are those that the body slowly digests and absorbs, such as
    :: muesli, pasta and green salad.

    Aren't most pasta just starch? Those will have a big imact on BG

    Pastas have a fairly low GI. It's a FAQ on www.glycemicindex.com...
    Q: Why does pasta have a low GI?
    A: Pasta has a low GI because of the physical entrapment of
    ungelatinised starch granules in a sponge-like network of protein
    (gluten) molecules in the pasta dough. Pasta is unique in this regard.
    As a result, pastas of any shape and size have a fairly low GI (30 to
    60). Asian noodles such as hokkein, udon and rice vermicelli also have
    low to intermediate GI values.
    ===============================================

    Dreamfields pasta has patented various ways of increasing the stability
    of the network of protein molecules which inhibit the digestion of the
    carbohydrates in the pasta.

    This is the basic secret of their version of "Low Carb" pasta which is
    still based on wheat as the prime ingredient, and no soy or other low
    carb ingredients to "dilute" the carbohydrate content which the body can
    digest in the time available in the stomach and small intestine.

    I wonder if I can write a longer sentence?

    --
    1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
    2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
    3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
    book
    4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

  5. Jbuch wrote:
    :: Enrico C wrote:
    ::: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:46:46 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote in
    ::: <news:[email hidden]> on
    :::
    alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.cardiology,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes
    ::::
    :::
    :::
    :::: [email hidden] wrote:
    ::::::
    ::::
    http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html
    ::::::
    :::::: By Steve Dow
    ::::::
    :::::: Want to lose weight? Controversial research to be unveiled this
    :::::: week suggests your bad cholesterol levels could rise if you
    :::::: plump for a high-protein diet but ignore low-glycaemic index
    :::::: ("GI"😉 foods.
    ::::::
    :::::: Experts agree that either a diet high in carbohydrate but low in
    :::::: GI, or a diet high in protein, will help you shed kilograms.
    :::::: Low-GI foods are those that the body slowly digests and absorbs,
    :::::: such as muesli, pasta and green salad.
    ::::
    :::: Aren't most pasta just starch? Those will have a big imact on BG
    :::
    :::
    ::: Pastas have a fairly low GI. It's a FAQ on www.glycemicindex.com...
    ::: Q: Why does pasta have a low GI?
    ::: A: Pasta has a low GI because of the physical entrapment of
    ::: ungelatinised starch granules in a sponge-like network of protein
    ::: (gluten) molecules in the pasta dough. Pasta is unique in this
    ::: regard. As a result, pastas of any shape and size have a fairly low
    ::: GI (30 to 60). Asian noodles such as hokkein, udon and rice
    ::: vermicelli also have low to intermediate GI values.
    ::: ===============================================
    ::
    :: Dreamfields pasta has patented various ways of increasing the
    :: stability of the network of protein molecules which inhibit the
    :: digestion of the carbohydrates in the pasta.
    ::
    :: This is the basic secret of their version of "Low Carb" pasta which
    :: is still based on wheat as the prime ingredient, and no soy or other
    :: low carb ingredients to "dilute" the carbohydrate content which the
    :: body can digest in the time available in the stomach and small
    :: intestine.
    ::
    :: I wonder if I can write a longer sentence?

    You can if you try. 🙂

    Now that you bring up Dreamfields, don't a lot of folks report that they get
    elevated BGs at later times from this so-called low carb pasta? If that's
    the case, a pasta which doesn't make such claims would probably not be as
    good as Dreamfields, even.

    ::
    ::
    :: --
    :: 1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the
    :: book 2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins
    :: book 3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23
    :: title, Atkins book
    :: 4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or
    :: Other)

  6. Roger Zoul said:

    Jbuch wrote:
    :: Enrico C wrote:
    ::: On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 17:46:46 -0500, Roger Zoul wrote in
    ::: <news:[email hidden]> on
    :::
    alt.support.diet.low-carb,sci.med.cardiology,sci.med.nutrition,alt.support.diabetes
    ::::
    :::
    :::
    :::: [email hidden] wrote:
    ::::::
    ::::
    http://smh.com.au/news/nutrition/gi-gets-a-callup/2006/03/22/1142703438642.html
    ::::::
    :::::: By Steve Dow
    ::::::
    :::::: Want to lose weight? Controversial research to be unveiled this
    :::::: week suggests your bad cholesterol levels could rise if you
    :::::: plump for a high-protein diet but ignore low-glycaemic index
    :::::: ("GI"😉 foods.
    ::::::
    :::::: Experts agree that either a diet high in carbohydrate but low in
    :::::: GI, or a diet high in protein, will help you shed kilograms.
    :::::: Low-GI foods are those that the body slowly digests and absorbs,
    :::::: such as muesli, pasta and green salad.
    ::::
    :::: Aren't most pasta just starch? Those will have a big imact on BG
    :::
    :::
    ::: Pastas have a fairly low GI. It's a FAQ on www.glycemicindex.com...
    ::: Q: Why does pasta have a low GI?
    ::: A: Pasta has a low GI because of the physical entrapment of
    ::: ungelatinised starch granules in a sponge-like network of protein
    ::: (gluten) molecules in the pasta dough. Pasta is unique in this
    ::: regard. As a result, pastas of any shape and size have a fairly low
    ::: GI (30 to 60). Asian noodles such as hokkein, udon and rice
    ::: vermicelli also have low to intermediate GI values.
    ::: ===============================================
    ::
    :: Dreamfields pasta has patented various ways of increasing the
    :: stability of the network of protein molecules which inhibit the
    :: digestion of the carbohydrates in the pasta.
    ::
    :: This is the basic secret of their version of "Low Carb" pasta which
    :: is still based on wheat as the prime ingredient, and no soy or other
    :: low carb ingredients to "dilute" the carbohydrate content which the
    :: body can digest in the time available in the stomach and small
    :: intestine.
    ::
    :: I wonder if I can write a longer sentence?

    You can if you try. 🙂

    Now that you bring up Dreamfields, don't a lot of folks report that they get
    elevated BGs at later times from this so-called low carb pasta? If that's
    the case, a pasta which doesn't make such claims would probably not be as
    good as Dreamfields, even.

    I remember reading this very long patent at http://www.uspto.gov after
    searching for the patent.

    I think the idea was to delay digestion until elimination or at least
    until the large intestine was reached.

    I think I remember reading in the patent that different people might be
    able to break down the treatment earlier than others. So that for a few
    people the product would be pretty much like regular pasta.

    That would go along with what you had heard of elevated BG's in some people.

    Then, it was almost a year ago when I read it, or struggled trying to
    read it to put it more accurately.

    There is good reason to suspect that only the general gist of the above
    is a good approximation to accuracy.

    The box says 42 carbs per serving, of which 37 are "Protected Carbs",
    leaving 5 net Carbs per serving.

    "Protected" evidently means that the carbs have been made to digest
    outside the range of biological absorption -- or eliminated undigested.

    Anyone can probably find the patent with determination -- and then more
    determination is needed to read the whole thing.

    I think I googled and got the name of the inventor of the process
    somehow, and may have used the inventor name to locate the patent at
    www.uspto.gov, rather than Dreamfields as the assignee. The assignee or
    patent owner need not actually be Dreamfields, but could be a person or
    another corporate entity with which Dreamfields has an agreement.

    --
    1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
    2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
    3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
    book
    4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

  7. Roger Zoul said:

    Jbuch wrote:

    Quoted message said:

    Now that you bring up Dreamfields, don't a lot of folks report that they get
    elevated BGs at later times from this so-called low carb pasta? If that's
    the case, a pasta which doesn't make such claims would probably not be as
    good as Dreamfields, even.

    To look up the patent info at http://www.uspto.gov, the inventor's name
    is in the following along with some claims about the product.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------

    One carbohydrate expert speculated that the Dreamfields Pasta must
    contain a large amount of resistant starch or other kinds of dietary
    fiber. No, that isn’t they way they did it, says Dr. Jon Anfinsen, the
    inventor of the process.

    The technology behind Dreamfields Pasta results in most of the
    carbohydrate grams becoming “protected” or non-digestible, Dr. Anfinsen
    tells me. It “involves molecular interactions that help block the enzyme
    from attacking the carbohydrate starch granule. It is not encapsulated.
    We have basically creating the situation where there is a matrix more or
    less that has a tendency to attract the enzyme to the matrix and not the
    carbohydrate.”

    These non-digestible carbohydrates aren’t counted as fiber, but they
    “start to act as fiber in the colon,” Dr. Anfinsen says. “They perform
    just like any other fiber in the colon; whether it be a soluble or an
    insoluble fiber that is fermented, it acts the same.”

    Tim Dodd, CEO of Dakota Growers Pasta Company in Carrington, North
    Dakota, another partner in the Dreamfields venture, describes the
    process somewhat differently. He says they make the pasta in four shapes
    — spaghetti, elbows, penne rigate, and linguine — from enriched durum
    semolina, the coarse flour made from durum wheat. A 52-gram (2 ounce)
    serving of Dreamfields Pasta still includes 42 grams of total
    carbohydrates, he says, but 37 are rendered non-digestible by a “fiber
    blend” process for which a patent is pending. The process leaves only 5
    digestible carbs per serving, Dodd says.

    -----------------------------

    There was speculation that this process could be adopted to other foods,
    and potatoes was one of the speculations.

    Quoted message said:


    --
    1) Eat Till SATISFIED, Not STUFFED... Atkins repeated 9 times in the book
    2) Exercise: It's Non-Negotiable..... Chapter 22 title, Atkins book
    3) Don't Diet Without Supplemental Nutrients... Chapter 23 title, Atkins
    book
    4) A sensible eating plan, and follow it. (Atkins, Self Made or Other)

  8. Jbuch wrote:
    :: Roger Zoul wrote:
    ::: Jbuch wrote:
    ::
    :::
    :::
    ::: Now that you bring up Dreamfields, don't a lot of folks report that
    ::: they get elevated BGs at later times from this so-called low carb
    ::: pasta? If that's the case, a pasta which doesn't make such claims
    ::: would probably not be as good as Dreamfields, even.
    ::
    :: To look up the patent info at http://www.uspto.gov, the inventor's
    :: name is in the following along with some claims about the product.
    :: ----------------------------------------------------------------
    ::
    :: One carbohydrate expert speculated that the Dreamfields Pasta must
    :: contain a large amount of resistant starch or other kinds of dietary
    :: fiber. No, that isn’t they way they did it, says Dr. Jon Anfinsen,
    :: the inventor of the process.
    ::
    :: The technology behind Dreamfields Pasta results in most of the
    :: carbohydrate grams becoming “protected” or non-digestible, Dr.
    :: Anfinsen tells me. It “involves molecular interactions that help
    :: block the enzyme from attacking the carbohydrate starch granule. It
    :: is not encapsulated. We have basically creating the situation where
    :: there is a matrix more or less that has a tendency to attract the
    :: enzyme to the matrix and not the carbohydrate.”
    ::
    :: These non-digestible carbohydrates aren’t counted as fiber, but they
    :: “start to act as fiber in the colon,” Dr. Anfinsen says. “They
    :: perform just like any other fiber in the colon; whether it be a
    :: soluble or an insoluble fiber that is fermented, it acts the same.”
    ::
    :: Tim Dodd, CEO of Dakota Growers Pasta Company in Carrington, North
    :: Dakota, another partner in the Dreamfields venture, describes the
    :: process somewhat differently. He says they make the pasta in four
    :: shapes — spaghetti, elbows, penne rigate, and linguine — from
    :: enriched durum semolina, the coarse flour made from durum wheat. A
    :: 52-gram (2 ounce) serving of Dreamfields Pasta still includes 42
    :: grams of total carbohydrates, he says, but 37 are rendered
    :: non-digestible by a “fiber blend” process for which a patent is
    :: pending. The process leaves only 5 digestible carbs per serving,
    :: Dodd says.
    ::
    ::
    :: -----------------------------
    ::
    :: There was speculation that this process could be adopted to other
    :: foods, and potatoes was one of the speculations.

    Interesting. Thanks for the effort!

  9. Jbuch said:

    I think the idea was to delay digestion until elimination or at least
    until the large intestine was reached.

    Hm. Leaving all the carbohydrates for E.coli and friends to process.
    How kind.

    Anyone thought of the social side effects??

    or perhaps, they should provide some instruments for the user to play
    with the air pressures from farts when E.coli processing is at top.
    Like tuba for huge males etc.

    :-)

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