Getting people on Atkins

Yes, it can seem hopeless to convert people. There are tons(no pun intended)
of people that believe we are living a cult or matrix life style by eating
the way we do and worshiping Atkins like a God.
Tom
210/180/180
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"Vile" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Well I have had great success with Atkins. I lost 75lbs and I am at
my ACE. Took only 4 months alltogether from the point I did not need
to lose anymore weight. I am trying to get other people on this diet
that need it. People would be impressed with me, ask me how I did it,
and then mention the "A" word. How can something so simple to do be
so hard to get across to other people? I went on the diet to help my
mother who needs to lose a lot of weight after a brain injury. She is
200 lbs+ and is only about 5'5''. Losing the weight would help her
move easier I figure and for help for my dad for moving her around. I
convienced my dad to lift weights and treadmill every morning but not
the diet. What is with people and eating their crappy foods? Like
pizza and candy. I think people are stuck in the Matrix like trance.
"Those in the Matrix for too long have a harder time coming out of
it." I just want to make a simple arguement that will convience
people to do the Atkins diet or something similar if anything. I show
people before and after pictures and shock them but will they diet?
No... Even now I can't get my dad to tell those brainless Dr's at the
nursing home to change up her diet. Not sure what to do. Any tips
are welcome...but I think that unless they are taught at an early age,
or are people who are open to new things, I think it is going to be a
hopeless arguement.

Thanks

You cannot make anyone do anything.

You can only be an example.

Jennifer

Vile said:

Well I have had great success with Atkins. I lost 75lbs and I am at
my ACE. Took only 4 months alltogether from the point I did not need
to lose anymore weight. I am trying to get other people on this diet
that need it. People would be impressed with me, ask me how I did it,
and then mention the "A" word. How can something so simple to do be
so hard to get across to other people? I went on the diet to help my
mother who needs to lose a lot of weight after a brain injury. She is
200 lbs+ and is only about 5'5''. Losing the weight would help her
move easier I figure and for help for my dad for moving her around. I
convienced my dad to lift weights and treadmill every morning but not
the diet. What is with people and eating their crappy foods? Like
pizza and candy. I think people are stuck in the Matrix like trance.
"Those in the Matrix for too long have a harder time coming out of
it." I just want to make a simple arguement that will convience
people to do the Atkins diet or something similar if anything. I show
people before and after pictures and shock them but will they diet?
No... Even now I can't get my dad to tell those brainless Dr's at the
nursing home to change up her diet. Not sure what to do. Any tips
are welcome...but I think that unless they are taught at an early age,
or are people who are open to new things, I think it is going to be a
hopeless arguement.

Thanks

No kidding. I've been showing people how to shed excess fat here for over a
year now, and look how many still don't get it.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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"Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You cannot make anyone do anything.

You can only be an example.

Jennifer

Vile said:

Well I have had great success with Atkins. I lost 75lbs and I am at
my ACE. Took only 4 months alltogether from the point I did not need
to lose anymore weight. I am trying to get other people on this diet
that need it. People would be impressed with me, ask me how I did it,
and then mention the "A" word. How can something so simple to do be
so hard to get across to other people? I went on the diet to help my
mother who needs to lose a lot of weight after a brain injury. She is
200 lbs+ and is only about 5'5''. Losing the weight would help her
move easier I figure and for help for my dad for moving her around. I
convienced my dad to lift weights and treadmill every morning but not
the diet. What is with people and eating their crappy foods? Like
pizza and candy. I think people are stuck in the Matrix like trance.
"Those in the Matrix for too long have a harder time coming out of
it." I just want to make a simple arguement that will convience
people to do the Atkins diet or something similar if anything. I show
people before and after pictures and shock them but will they diet?
No... Even now I can't get my dad to tell those brainless Dr's at the
nursing home to change up her diet. Not sure what to do. Any tips
are welcome...but I think that unless they are taught at an early age,
or are people who are open to new things, I think it is going to be a
hopeless arguement.

Thanks

There are lots who do though. There's no shortage of success stories
posted here, and at least some percentage of the lukers are probably doing
well too. Your advice has certainly helped me plenty.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

No kidding. I've been showing people how to shed excess fat here for over a
year now, and look how many still don't get it.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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"Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You cannot make anyone do anything.

You can only be an example.

Jennifer

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--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

Good points.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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There are lots who do though. There's no shortage of success stories
posted here, and at least some percentage of the lukers are probably doing
well too. Your advice has certainly helped me plenty.

In article <[email hidden]>,

JC Der Koenig said:

No kidding. I've been showing people how to shed excess fat here for

over a

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

year now, and look how many still don't get it.

--

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

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"Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You cannot make anyone do anything.

You can only be an example.

Jennifer

Quoted message said:

--
Michelle Levin
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick

I have only 3 flaws. My first flaw is thinking that I only have 3 flaws.

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"Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You cannot make anyone do anything.

You can only be an example.

JC:

Quoted message said:

No kidding. I've been showing people how to shed excess fat here
for over a year now, and look how many still don't get it.

Quoted message said:

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

When the student is ready the teacher will appear. He may be
killfiled and therefore invisible to the student, but he'll appear.
;-)

Take care,
Carmen

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"Jennifer" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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You cannot make anyone do anything.

You can only be an example.

JC:

Quoted message said:

No kidding. I've been showing people how to shed excess fat here
for over a year now, and look how many still don't get it.

Quoted message said:

Eat less, exercise more. -- MFW

When the student is ready the teacher will appear. He may be
killfiled and therefore invisible to the student, but he'll appear.
;-)

Most people don't seem to be able to use a killfile that effectively anyway.

Just stay focused on yourself and keeping the weight off. Just cause
you lost it doensn't mean your work is done. I'm down 75 pounds now,
but there is still work for me--some to lose and to learn how to
maintain... forever.

You're also assuming in a major way that virtually everyone in the
world will react to the diet exactly as you have and have the same
success--this is a ridiculous notion--and you need to realize that.
One square peg does not fit every hole. Atkins has worked for you
because your bodychemistry responded well to the change. Another
person could do exactly what you did and lose 10 pounds in that same 4
months--and feel miserable doing it!!

The more an example you set for the longer you do it the more people
will be convinced and keep asking you. However if they aren't really
looking for this solution they may never want it.

Also the fact that traditional physicians would outright tell you the
diet you are on is dangerous, unhealthy and stupid--certainly isn't
going to help convince people. But the medical community mocked Lister
when he came up with the radical idea of washing your hands before you
perform surgery on a patient... so quite a few brilliant ideas were
mocked and attacked by the professionals who "knew better".

(Vile) said:

Well I have had great success with Atkins. I lost 75lbs and I am at
my ACE. Took only 4 months alltogether from the point I did not need
to lose anymore weight. I am trying to get other people on this diet
that need it. People would be impressed with me, ask me how I did it,
and then mention the "A" word. How can something so simple to do be
so hard to get across to other people? I went on the diet to help my
mother who needs to lose a lot of weight after a brain injury. She is
200 lbs+ and is only about 5'5''. Losing the weight would help her
move easier I figure and for help for my dad for moving her around. I
convienced my dad to lift weights and treadmill every morning but not
the diet. What is with people and eating their crappy foods? Like
pizza and candy. I think people are stuck in the Matrix like trance.
"Those in the Matrix for too long have a harder time coming out of
it." I just want to make a simple arguement that will convience
people to do the Atkins diet or something similar if anything. I show
people before and after pictures and shock them but will they diet?
No... Even now I can't get my dad to tell those brainless Dr's at the
nursing home to change up her diet. Not sure what to do. Any tips
are welcome...but I think that unless they are taught at an early age,
or are people who are open to new things, I think it is going to be a
hopeless arguement.

Thanks

DiGiTAL_ViNYL (no email)
350/276/Jun-273/200
Atkins since Jan 12, 2004
OWL-40 carbs/day (CCLL=50-60)

Many people are absolutely fascinated with the idea of losing weight, but
until they are SICK of the way they look, they will remain unconvinced and
unwilling to change/sacrifice those tasty, high sugary sweets, breads,
etc, and to start the Atkins diet or any LC diet.

As soon as I've mentioned, "no sugar", no bread, rice, etc, many faces
drop, just as if I had taken away their favorite pasttime.

But sometimes people have to get used to the idea, anyway. Give them time,
be an example, and you can't make others lose weight. They will just begin
to avoid you if you are always preaching at them about it. The desire must
be inside of them, unless they are being force fed or do live at an
institution where others control what they are given.

Becky P.

I am enjoying this thread. It took me to be so sick and tired, physically. Then
sick and tired of being fat to make the change.

It's hard here in the UK as Atkins is derrided almost everywhere you go and
supermarkets don't stock even a fraction of the LC stuff available in the
US. It's do-able though (as my OH and myself are proving) and he's had
quite a lot of interest from some of his colleagues who are now also LCing.
Most people here (thanks to the media) still believe that its all about
eating fat and no veg.

At the end of the day we can only lead by example and so far so good 🙂

Dee

(Vile) said:

Well I have had great success with Atkins. I lost 75lbs and I am at
my ACE. Took only 4 months alltogether from the point I did not
need to lose anymore weight. I am trying to get other people on
this diet that need it. People would be impressed with me, ask me
how I did it, and then mention the "A" word. How can something so
simple to do be so hard to get across to other people?

It's always hard for people to believe something that sounds too good
to be true. Conventional wisdom (we call it "peer pressure" when kids
bend to it) is also a powerful force.

I've told this story before: A friend told me she was scheduled for
carpal tunnel surgery in two weeks. It was going to cost $2000, make
it difficult for her to do her job for a while, cause considerable
pain until it healed, and probably (according to her doctors) only
relieve the problem for 5-10 years. Sounds great, huh? I suggested
that she see a chiropractor first, since my own carpal tunnel had been
cured (and has never come back in 12 years since) by a $25 adjustment
to my shoulders and elbows. I said that I couldn't guarantee the
chiropractor could help, of course, but wouldn't it be worth $25 to
try, if there were even a small chance of avoiding all the pain and
expense she had been promised with surgery?

She declined, and went with the surgery. Had she taken my advice and
been successful, she would have had to face the fact that her doctor
was either a scammer or about as knowledgeable as the pad he wrote
his prescriptions on. And if her doctor was clueless or corrupt, who
else might be: teachers, politicians, even news anchors?

I know I'm being melodramatic and exaggerating, but I think the basic
point is valid. You can't convince people to go against conventional
wisdom; they have to reach a breaking point inside themselves where
they say, "Dammit, something about this just isn't right. I know
everyone seems to believe XYZ, but I can't pretend it makes sense
anymore." All you can do is provide an example of the truth, so when
people are ready for it, they'll think of you. I try to never
"encourage" people to go LC. I let people know I'm doing it, and let
them draw their own conclusions from my shrinking size. When they
ask, I'm only too happy to answer questions.

--
Aaron -- [email hidden] -- 285/225/200
"[I]f we elect a government that subverts or weakens or ends our war
against terrorism, we can count on this: We will soon face enemies
that will make 9/11 look like stubbing our toe, and they will attack
us with the confidence and determination that come from knowing that
we don't have the will to sustain a war all the way to the end." --
Orson Scott Card

My dog as a puppy went through a process of trying to eat a lot of the wrong
things, like buttons, extension cords, and dog [censored]. Now as an adult dog he
is a very picky eater. He has no interest in dogfood that is different than
I gave him as a puppy. The pattern of eating was learned at an early age.
I suspect people are a lot like that too. Asking someone to make a
permanent change of diet runs against the grain.

Cubit
311/228.5/165
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"Vile" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Well I have had great success with Atkins. I lost 75lbs and I am at
my ACE. Took only 4 months alltogether from the point I did not need
to lose anymore weight. I am trying to get other people on this diet
that need it. People would be impressed with me, ask me how I did it,
and then mention the "A" word. How can something so simple to do be
so hard to get across to other people? I went on the diet to help my
mother who needs to lose a lot of weight after a brain injury. She is
200 lbs+ and is only about 5'5''. Losing the weight would help her
move easier I figure and for help for my dad for moving her around. I
convienced my dad to lift weights and treadmill every morning but not
the diet. What is with people and eating their crappy foods? Like
pizza and candy. I think people are stuck in the Matrix like trance.
"Those in the Matrix for too long have a harder time coming out of
it." I just want to make a simple arguement that will convience
people to do the Atkins diet or something similar if anything. I show
people before and after pictures and shock them but will they diet?
No... Even now I can't get my dad to tell those brainless Dr's at the
nursing home to change up her diet. Not sure what to do. Any tips
are welcome...but I think that unless they are taught at an early age,
or are people who are open to new things, I think it is going to be a
hopeless arguement.

Thanks

I think it is not so much a matter of not knowing how as it is succumbing to
temptation. Just like some people can't resist carby treats, some can't
resist getting drawn into an argument. They threaten to killfile to express
their anger but their curiosity keeps them from actually doing it.

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
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| Most people don't seem to be able to use a killfile that effectively
| anyway.

I'm much too interesting to killfile.

;-)

--
I wake up every morning and remember that I get to spend all day with me. It
doesn't get any better than that. -- MFW

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I think it is not so much a matter of not knowing how as it is succumbing

to

Quoted message said:

temptation. Just like some people can't resist carby treats, some can't
resist getting drawn into an argument. They threaten to killfile to

express

Quoted message said:

their anger but their curiosity keeps them from actually doing it.

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
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| Most people don't seem to be able to use a killfile that effectively
| anyway.

Yeah, nobody can quite figure out what makes you tick.

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
| I'm much too interesting to killfile.
|
| ;-)
|
| --
| I wake up every morning and remember that I get to spend all day with
| me. It doesn't get any better than that. -- MFW
|
|

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Yes, it can seem hopeless to convert people. There are tons(no pun intended)
of people that believe we are living a cult or matrix life style by eating
the way we do and worshiping Atkins like a God.
Tom
210/180/180

Well, if people sound like they are trying to 'convert' people ... I can't
blame them.
~Kat

"The early bird gets the worm, the second mouse gets the cheese."

How about saying that we should:

Eat more, exercise less.

FOB said:

Yeah, nobody can quite figure out what makes you tick.

In news:[email hidden],
JC Der Koenig <[email hidden]> stated
| I'm much too interesting to killfile.
|
| ;-)
|

Vile said:

and then mention the "A" word. How can something so simple to do be
so hard to get across to other people?

Send them to this group... They can learn how to have a low carb diet
that mimics their old diet, in everything from desserts, to potatoes, to
pancakes with "maple" syrup, to splenda on meat ....

<donning asbestos suit and running>