Getting over the mighty log (jumping that is)



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"J'm Sm'th" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Alan McClure wrote:
> >
> > Well it seems that there is pretty much a concensus on how to do this.
So,
> > I'll to exactly what is suggested, by starting with small logs, and
working
> > my way up to larger ones. I don't have trouble with 6 inchers, so
maybe, it
> > would be good to start with them, just to get the motion down, and then
move
> > to bigger ones. Thanks for all the advice to everyone, I'll keep you
all
> > updated when I am finally able to clear a 6 foot tall redwood log. I'm thinking by as early as
> > next week. :)
> >
> > Oh, by the way, if anyone on here lives out in Missouri, specifically
near
> > Columbia, MO, and wouldn't mind riding sometime, I would enjoy it.
There
> > are of course, plenty of great trails all over the state, as long as it hasn't rained within the
> > past few days.
> >
> > Thanks, Alan
>
> Hey Alan,
>
> Have you done Berryman Trail recently? Would be interested to know what
kind
> of condition it is in.
>
> --
> J'm
>
>
> To Reply Direct, Remove Clothes. ...-.-

Nope, actually, I'm gonna try to make it out to St. Louis and St. Charles this weekend, but I
haven't made it any further south than Binder Lake in Jefferson City yet this season. So, I'm
thinking I'll try in the next couple of weeks. I'm gonna try to get an idea about it by talking to
some people in St. Louis. I'll let you know what I find out.

Alan
 
"Dave Stocker" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
> "Jon Bond" <[email protected]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:[email protected]...
> >
> >
> > Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle front, one
> of
> > the three largest rear. Rock backwards on the bike, pulling the bar
with
> > you, and get the front wheel on the very top of the log.
>
> I have seen Charlie's webpage and I remember this tip. I know that in principle, I should not need
> strength to loft the front wheel. In
practice
> I end up jerking the front up. Is there more to it? What are your legs doing? Is your butt moving
> horizontally or staying in place?

Basically, if you can get the front wheel up while your body is still forward over the bars (so you
have room to push out and down), then you're good.

> >Try to stay forward on the bike, over the bars, when you get to the log - if you're
> too
> > far back, then you'll simply run right into the log with the rear wheel
> and
> > fall. Ok, here's the important step - and its pretty hard to do without clipless. What you want
> > to do is pull up the rear wheel and put it on
top
> > of the log. At the same time, you want to throw the front of the bike forwards and down. This is
> > a VERY explosive move, you actually get both tires off the ground for a bit.
>
> Aha! This lift the back wheel up thing I can do smoothly. I will work on doing it directly
> following bring the front wheel up.
>
> >If you really do it well, and have enough speed, you can actually clear the whole log this way.
> >Usually,
especially
> > on bigger logs, you'll simply end up with the front wheel down on the ground, and the rear wheel
> > on top. If you had the speed perfect, and do
> it
> > right, then the wheel will come right off, and not even hit the top
hard.
> > If not, you can give a very small pedal stroke and just watch your
> balance.
> >
>
> I suspect that I approach too slow. This might be part of my problem.

I've gotten to the point where if I can get the front wheel on, I can actually stop, do a hop to
line myself up (read: keep myself from falling sideways), then do the lunge forward onto rear wheel
thing. I wouldn't do it this way by choice, but I've had to do it on a 6" log 8" in the air when the
guy in front of me on a group ride flubbed it. You don't need much speed, if you lunge hard enough,
the bike gets a good deal of momentum that way. If you can get the rear wheel onto the very very top
of the log, then the bike will either roll off, or just a little bit of a pedal stroke will do it
for you - just get that wheel up there, then you're golden!

> > Here's pretty much what I'm talking about, although Charlie doesn't
quite
> > get the rear wheel all the way on top. Give 'im some slack tho, he is
in
> > his mid 60s (and can still outpace me anyday, the guy's an animal!)
> > http://pages.prodigy.com/CharlieB/log.htm
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Jon Bond
> >
> >
>
> Thanks, -Dave
>

No problemo. Like I said, as soon as I have a mountain bike, and get used to the full suspension
timing, I'll take video of it on both small and large logs, and post it up. Should help a bunch
of people.

Jon "The log hoppa" Bond
 
>So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.
>
>Do You:
>
>1) get off and carry your bike over
>2) hop over it
>3)bunny hop over it
>4)Other
>
>
>You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only one that consistently stumps me.
>I can get over them most of the time(especially when they are smaller--heheheh), but it never feels
>smooth(rear wheel bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring, and 1/3 of the time I fall or get stuck. I
>am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out how to get over them easily after many, many
>times trying. Soooo, what do you all do when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you recommend me
>trying. I'll practice anything if it'll help.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Alan McClure
>

Lotsa good advice so far, but I'm surprised no one has suggested the cyclocross approach.

1) Approach the log at pretty high speed. (Middle ring, halfway down the cassette)

2) Clip out your right foot and swing your right leg around to the left side of your bike.

3) Pass your right foot between your left leg and the frame, clip out your left foot at the
same time.

4) Hit the ground running fast. Hoist your bike up onto your shoulder in the same motion as
jumping off.

5) Run/jump over the log

6) Get the bike off your shoulder and onto the ground, still running alongside

7) Leap back on without breaking stride.

8) Sprint away, leaving the guys who slowed down to ride over it in your dust.

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
"Alan McClure" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<dPLKa.27339$Ab2.51798@sccrnsc01>...
> So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.

Be very scared because anything dumping a log that big has to be huge.

JD
 
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 08:16:01 -0400, "Michael Dart" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"Jon Bond" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>>
>> "Alan McClure" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:dPLKa.27339$Ab2.51798@sccrnsc01...
>> > So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is
>8-12
>> > inches tall.
>> >
>> > Do You:
>> >
>> > 1) get off and carry your bike over
>> > 2) hop over it
>> > 3)bunny hop over it
>> > 4)Other
>> >
>> >
>> > You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only one
>that
>> > consistently stumps me. I can get over them most of the time(especially when they are
>> > smaller--heheheh), but it never feels smooth(rear wheel bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring,
>> > and 1/3 of the time I fall or get stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out
>> > how to get over them easily after many, many times trying. Soooo, what do you all
>do
>> > when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you recommend me trying.
>I'll
>> > practice anything if it'll help.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Alan McClure
>>
>> Hop it. If its under 6", and i've got speed, I'll just jump the sucker.
>I
>> don't have a great bunny hop, its more of a lift both wheels at once clipless cheating thing, so
>> anything bigger than that and I do my second technique, which is basically a slow motion bunnyhop
>> (I've done it on logs up to approx 26"/wheelsize) -
>>
>> Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle front, one
>of
>> the three largest rear. Rock backwards on the bike, pulling the bar with you, and get the front
>> wheel on the very top of the log. Try to stay forward on the bike, over the bars, when you get to
>> the log - if you're
>too
>> far back, then you'll simply run right into the log with the rear wheel
>and
>> fall. Ok, here's the important step - and its pretty hard to do without clipless. What you want
>> to do is pull up the rear wheel and put it on top of the log. At the same time, you want to throw
>> the front of the bike forwards and down. This is a VERY explosive move, you actually get both
>> tires off the ground for a bit. If you really do it well, and have enough speed, you can actually
>> clear the whole log this way. Usually, especially on bigger logs, you'll simply end up with the
>> front wheel down on the ground, and the rear wheel on top. If you had the speed perfect, and do
>it
>> right, then the wheel will come right off, and not even hit the top hard. If not, you can give a
>> very small pedal stroke and just watch your
>balance.
>>
>> Here's pretty much what I'm talking about, although Charlie doesn't quite get the rear wheel all
>> the way on top. Give 'im some slack tho, he is in his mid 60s (and can still outpace me anyday,
>> the guy's an animal!) http://pages.prodigy.com/CharlieB/log.htm
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Jon Bond
>>
>>
>
>Jons got it. Though it seems the number 4 option around here is to scrounge the woods for enoungh
>sticks to build a pile over the 8" log. Please don't do this. Use Jons technique, just start small
>6-8" to get the timing down then larger logs are easier. Works for big rocks too. If you get the
>timing right and your 'lunge' is strong enough your chainring will clear almost anything. I've even
>used it in the city for hopping up on 2 foot tall walls.
>
>Mike
>

Yep. This skill is quite handy indeed.
 
Alan McClure wrote:
>
>
> Nope, actually, I'm gonna try to make it out to St. Louis and St. Charles this weekend, but I
> haven't made it any further south than Binder Lake in Jefferson City yet this season. So, I'm
> thinking I'll try in the next couple of weeks. I'm gonna try to get an idea about it by talking to
> some people in St. Louis. I'll let you know what I find out.
>
> Alan

Where around here you going to go? I was out at Castlewood last week, and while the high trails
[Bluff/Lone wolf, Grotpeter] were in good shape, the lower ones were a mess. Brad [of Brad and Julie
Vaughn] reported that Chubb was pretty sloppy, too. With the Big Rain we had Wednesday, I would
expect things to be about the same.

Bring lots of mosquito repellant.

--
J'm

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"J'm Sm'th" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Alan McClure wrote:
> >
> >
> > Nope, actually, I'm gonna try to make it out to St. Louis and St.
Charles
> > this weekend, but I haven't made it any further south than Binder Lake
in
> > Jefferson City yet this season. So, I'm thinking I'll try in the next couple of weeks. I'm gonna
> > try to get an idea about it by talking to
some
> > people in St. Louis. I'll let you know what I find out.
> >
> > Alan
>
> Where around here you going to go? I was out at Castlewood last week, and while the high trails
> [Bluff/Lone wolf, Grotpeter] were in good shape, the lower ones were a mess. Brad [of Brad and
> Julie Vaughn] reported that
Chubb
> was pretty sloppy, too. With the Big Rain we had Wednesday, I would
expect
> things to be about the same.
>
> Bring lots of mosquito repellant.
>
> --
> J'm
>
>
> To Reply Direct, Remove Clothes. ...-.-

Hmmm....that's a shame...guess I'll have to wait a while then. I'm just gonna keep my hopes up that
the rain stays away this next week then.

Alan
 
Alan McClure wrote:
>
> "J'm Sm'th" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > Alan McClure wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Nope, actually, I'm gonna try to make it out to St. Louis and St.
> Charles
> > > this weekend, but I haven't made it any further south than Binder Lake
> in
> > > Jefferson City yet this season. So, I'm thinking I'll try in the next couple of weeks. I'm
> > > gonna try to get an idea about it by talking to
> some
> > > people in St. Louis. I'll let you know what I find out.
> > >
> > > Alan
> >
> > Where around here you going to go? I was out at Castlewood last week, and while the high trails
> > [Bluff/Lone wolf, Grotpeter] were in good shape, the lower ones were a mess. Brad [of Brad and
> > Julie Vaughn] reported that
> Chubb
> > was pretty sloppy, too. With the Big Rain we had Wednesday, I would
> expect
> > things to be about the same.
> >
> > Bring lots of mosquito repellant.
> >
> > --
> > J'm
> >
> >
> > To Reply Direct, Remove Clothes. ...-.-
>
> Hmmm....that's a shame...guess I'll have to wait a while then. I'm just gonna keep my hopes up
> that the rain stays away this next week then.
>
> Alan

Hey, don't get me wrong--I'm not saying it's *all* bad, just stick to the higher trails. Kathleen
might give us a report on Lost Valley if she's been out there lately. Unfortunately, I've got Field
Day this weekend, so no riding for me.

--
J'm

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On 27 Jun 2003 10:03:24 -0700, [email protected] (JD) wrote:

>"Alan McClure" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<dPLKa.27339$Ab2.51798@sccrnsc01>...
>> So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.
>
>Be very scared because anything dumping a log that big has to be huge.
>
>JD

I believe I shall laugh at this one.

Very good.

Bill The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a reflector, that is, the mind should
give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of the world.
:-]
 
Bill Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 00:01:13 GMT, "Alan McClure" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.
> >
> >Do You:
> >
> >1) get off and carry your bike over
> >2) hop over it
> >3)bunny hop over it
> >4)Other
> >
> >
> >You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only one that consistently stumps
> >me. I can get over them most of the time(especially when they are smaller--heheheh), but it never
> >feels smooth(rear wheel bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring, and 1/3 of the time I fall or get
> >stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out how to get over them easily after
> >many, many times trying. Soooo, what do you all do when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you
> >recommend me trying. I'll practice anything if it'll help.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >Alan McClure
>
> Do as I do not as I say.
>
> 1. Sometimes hitting the chain ring is unavoidable, sometimes desirable. I have a rock guard that
> I use to balance on sometimes.
>
> 2. If possible use moderate speed. From your description it's impossible to tell the complete
> situation. The following assumes you have ample time and space to use moderate speed.
>
> 3. As you approach pre-load and pop the front up onto the log. Timing and practice are critical.
>
> 4. When the front is on top of the log, push your bike (not your body) forward and down while
> lifting your rear wheel off the ground. At this point your body position should be similar to
> what follows. Arms extended, butt off the back of your seat and over the rear tire, feet 3 and
> 9 o-clock on the pedals. Your rear wheel will most likely contact the log, don't let that
> spook you. Again, timing and practice are critical.
>
> 5. Done right the front should contact the ground first, use your arms as shock absorbers, whether
> or not if have front suspension. As the rear wheel hits pull yourself back onto the bike in
> your normal riding position.
>
> 6. Practice this technique on small logs and gradually build up to bigger ones. It may feel weird
> but it's tried and true.
>
>
> Now I may have left something out so remember "Do as I do not as I say"
>
>
> Peace, Bill(works for me)Wheeler. The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a
> reflector, that is, the mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of
> the world.
> :-]

Good description, Bill, and if a guy stalls on top of the log, just start pedaling. Either the chain
ring will dig in and propel the rider forward, or the pedal will come down and do the same. Works
for me too.

Watch for a rockin RR where we had to jump and clear a few logs on our AMB-ID pre-ride
scouting trip.

Paladin
 
"Trentus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Jon Bond" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
> <snip>
>
> > Here's pretty much what I'm talking about
> <snip>
> > http://pages.prodigy.com/CharlieB/log.htm
>
> My problem with this trick, is the fact that while learning it I'm almost certainly going to come
> a gutser at least a couple of dozen times, and I just aint that keen on falling onto a hard log,
> or off one even for that matter (strange I know)
>
> I get the concept, I just aint got the guts to go try it out.
>
> Trentus

Here's a suggestion for you, Trentus. Get a couple riding buddies to spot for you while you
practice. Greatly increases your confidence and eliminates doctor bills from mtnbike stunts.

Paladin
 
Paladin thoughtfully penned:
> Bill Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > Watch for a rockin RR where we had to jump and clear a few logs on our
> AMB-ID pre-ride scouting trip.
>
> Paladin

sounds like they haven't cleared the trails yet?
 
Paladin wrote:
> Bill Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
...
> Good description, Bill, and if a guy stalls on top of the log, just start pedaling. Either the
> chain ring will dig in and propel the rider forward, or the pedal will come down and do the same.
> Works for me too.

Now I need to try it too :).

I use the lift/slam method: lift the front end like they do, as I go over, I shift forward
unweighting the rear, but I typically slam the chain-rings (tooth fairy) into logs over 1'.

What I do for the bigger one (like 1-1/2-2'), is to go slower and be prepared to unclip and give a
push with my foot to get over the top if I need it (if momentum + 1/2 pedal stroke don't get me
over). That way, I'm much less likely to end-up with me on one side of the log (the far side) and
the bike still on the near side :).

David
 
[email protected] (JD) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> "Alan McClure" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<dPLKa.27339$Ab2.51798@sccrnsc01>...
> > So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.
>
> Be very scared because anything dumping a log that big has to be huge.
>
> JD

I walked my trails just the other day to do some trimming. I saw where a flagman working on the
hiway had walked into my woods to dump a log right on my trail. At first I was ******, but I really
can't blame the guy. When you gotta go, ya gotta go. It has been raining ever since so I suspect
Mother Nature has taken care of things.

Rich (momentarily out of recluse mode)
 
"Penny S." <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Paladin thoughtfully penned:
> > Bill Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > > Watch for a rockin RR where we had to jump and clear a few logs on our
> > AMB-ID pre-ride scouting trip.
> >
> > Paladin
>
> sounds like they haven't cleared the trails yet?

We went to our favorite shop and asked about Bear Pete. The old coot owner looked us up and down for
a few seconds, then said, "depends how good you boys are..." So we told them what we'd been riding,
and he warmed up to us a little, and said we could probably survive, but that it is a very tough
trail, with a group from his shop having ridden it just Fri morning and had a tough time. We didnt'
get out to it, but Adam's gonna go ride it probably this week and give me the lowdown.

If Bear Pete is rideable, we may want to split up into two teams. 1 intermediate that does Loon
Lake, and another advanced/expert to do Bear Pete and we all meet up at the hot springs. For Sunday
a.m., we have to do the chairlift rides at Brundage. They put their hearts into those mtnbike
specific trails, and we rode one yesterday. I'd ridden it about 3x in the past, and it was still
awesome, when coupled with the views. I'll post some pictures maybe tomorrow or Monday.

I've gotta write up the jr-epic we did of around 24 amazing and tough miles on Friday, though. It
was fantastic.

Paladin
 
J'm Sm'th <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Alan McClure wrote:
> >
> > "J'm Sm'th" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> > news:[email protected]...
> > > Alan McClure wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Nope, actually, I'm gonna try to make it out to St. Louis and St.
> Charles
> > > > this weekend, but I haven't made it any further south than Binder Lake
> in
> > > > Jefferson City yet this season. So, I'm thinking I'll try in the next couple of weeks. I'm
> > > > gonna try to get an idea about it by talking to
> some
> > > > people in St. Louis. I'll let you know what I find out.
> > > >
> > > > Alan
> > >
> > > Where around here you going to go? I was out at Castlewood last week, and while the high
> > > trails [Bluff/Lone wolf, Grotpeter] were in good shape, the lower ones were a mess. Brad [of
> > > Brad and Julie Vaughn] reported that
> Chubb
> > > was pretty sloppy, too. With the Big Rain we had Wednesday, I would
> expect
> > > things to be about the same.
> > >
> > > Bring lots of mosquito repellant.
> > >
> > > --
> > > J'm
> > >
> > >
> > > To Reply Direct, Remove Clothes. ...-.-
> >
> > Hmmm....that's a shame...guess I'll have to wait a while then. I'm just gonna keep my hopes up
> > that the rain stays away this next week then.
> >
> > Alan
>
> Hey, don't get me wrong--I'm not saying it's *all* bad, just stick to the higher trails. Kathleen
> might give us a report on Lost Valley if she's been out there lately. Unfortunately, I've got
> Field Day this weekend, so no riding for me.

WEll, Grottpeter and the Bluff trail were both in excellent condition. Lost Valley however is
another issue. I really like the trail because of how scenic it is, but it is always so damn muddy.
I didn't even try to ride it. I'm thinking of heading down to Berryman, maybe two weekends from now,
so hopefully the weather will help me out with those plans. Also, do you know of any other must
rides in Missouri? I'm trying to hit everything I can this summer, and there are many places I've
never ridden. I still haven't managed any Kansas City Rides, although I hear that Landahl Trail is
pretty amazing. Anyway, have fun if you can manage to get out this coming week.

Alan
 
"David Kunz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Paladin wrote:
> > Bill Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:<[email protected]>...
> ...
> > Good description, Bill, and if a guy stalls on top of the log, just start pedaling. Either the
> > chain ring will dig in and propel the rider forward, or the pedal will come down and do the
> > same. Works for me too.
>
> Now I need to try it too :).
>
> I use the lift/slam method: lift the front end like they do, as I go over, I shift forward
> unweighting the rear, but I typically slam the chain-rings (tooth fairy) into logs over 1'.
>
> What I do for the bigger one (like 1-1/2-2'), is to go slower and be prepared to unclip and give a
> push with my foot to get over the top if I need it (if momentum + 1/2 pedal stroke don't get me
> over). That way, I'm much less likely to end-up with me on one side of the log (the far side) and
> the bike still on the near side :).
>
> David

Only problem with that technique is when you get to that 2' log, and you do an instant endo when the
rear wheel gets up (IF you can even get it up there without the hop) because your weight is way too
far forwards. Wheel sized logs make for very steep exit angles.

Jon Bond
 
Jon Bond wrote:
> "David Kunz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>
>>Paladin wrote:
>>
>>>Bill Wheeler <[email protected]> wrote in message
>
> news:<[email protected]>...
>
>>...
>>
>>>Good description, Bill, and if a guy stalls on top of the log, just start pedaling. Either the
>>>chain ring will dig in and propel the rider forward, or the pedal will come down and do the same.
>>>Works for me too.
>>
>>Now I need to try it too :).
>>
>>I use the lift/slam method: lift the front end like they do, as I go over, I shift forward
>>unweighting the rear, but I typically slam the chain-rings (tooth fairy) into logs over 1'.
>>
>>What I do for the bigger one (like 1-1/2-2'), is to go slower and be prepared to unclip and give a
>>push with my foot to get over the top if I need it (if momentum + 1/2 pedal stroke don't get me
>>over). That way, I'm much less likely to end-up with me on one side of the log (the far side) and
>>the bike still on the near side :).
>>
>>David
>
>
> Only problem with that technique is when you get to that 2' log, and you do an instant endo when
> the rear wheel gets up (IF you can even get it up there without the hop) because your weight is
> way too far forwards. Wheel sized logs make for very steep exit angles.

Yea, found that out :). The last time that I cut down a tree (I hate dutch elm disease) I saved a
couple of logs for practise in the back yard. I used the smaller ones to get my technique to the
point where I don't panic every time that I see a log (even though I always made them (almost :)),
but I haven't tried the last one yet -- it's over 2'. It's time :).

David
 
"Alan McClure" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:dPLKa.27339$Ab2.51798@sccrnsc01...
> So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.
>
> Do You:
>
> 1) get off and carry your bike over
> 2) hop over it
> 3)bunny hop over it
> 4)Other

5) Trip over it while walking and fall flat on my face! :)
 
[email protected] (Rich Touart) wrote in message
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> [email protected] (JD) wrote in message news:<[email protected]>...
> > "Alan McClure" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:<dPLKa.27339$Ab2.51798@sccrnsc01>...
> > > So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.
> >
> > Be very scared because anything dumping a log that big has to be huge.
> >
> > JD
>
> I walked my trails just the other day to do some trimming. I saw where a flagman working on the
> hiway had walked into my woods to dump a log right on my trail. At first I was ******, but I
> really can't blame the guy. When you gotta go, ya gotta go. It has been raining ever since so I
> suspect Mother Nature has taken care of things.
>
> Rich (momentarily out of recluse mode)

Leave it to my **** to draw out the real weirdos. He didn't have to use the middle of your trail, so
you have a right to be ******. Was there corn in it?

JD
 
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