Getting over the mighty log (jumping that is)

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1) get off and carry your bike over

Still need to develop the skillz. 8-12" is a bit much for me, maybe in a year or so Ill have
the talent.

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So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.

Do You:

1) get off and carry your bike over
2) hop over it
3)bunny hop over it
4)Other

You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only one that consistently stumps me.
I can get over them most of the time(especially when they are smaller--heheheh), but it never
feels smooth(rear wheel bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring, and 1/3 of the time I fall or get
stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out how to get over them easily after
many, many times trying. Soooo, what do you all do when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you
recommend me trying. I'll practice anything if it'll help.

Thanks,

Alan McClure

Hop it. If its under 6", and i've got speed, I'll just jump the sucker. I don't have a great bunny
hop, its more of a lift both wheels at once clipless cheating thing, so anything bigger than that
and I do my second technique, which is basically a slow motion bunnyhop (I've done it on logs up to
approx 26"/wheelsize) -

Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle front, one of the three largest rear.
Rock backwards on the bike, pulling the bar with you, and get the front wheel on the very top of the
log. Try to stay forward on the bike, over the bars, when you get to the log - if you're too far
back, then you'll simply run right into the log with the rear wheel and fall. Ok, here's the
important step - and its pretty hard to do without clipless. What you want to do is pull up the rear
wheel and put it on top of the log. At the same time, you want to throw the front of the bike
forwards and down. This is a VERY explosive move, you actually get both tires off the ground for a
bit. If you really do it well, and have enough speed, you can actually clear the whole log this way.
Usually, especially on bigger logs, you'll simply end up with the front wheel down on the ground,
and the rear wheel on top. If you had the speed perfect, and do it right, then the wheel will come
right off, and not even hit the top hard. If not, you can give a very small pedal stroke and just
watch your balance.

Here's pretty much what I'm talking about, although Charlie doesn't quite get the rear wheel all the
way on top. Give 'im some slack tho, he is in his mid 60s (and can still outpace me anyday, the
guy's an animal!) pages.prodigy.comlog.htmOpen ↗

Hope that helps.

Jon Bond

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So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is

8-12

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inches tall.

Do You:

1) get off and carry your bike over
2) hop over it
3)bunny hop over it
4)Other

You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only one

that

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consistently stumps me. I can get over them most of the time(especially when they are
smaller--heheheh), but it never feels smooth(rear wheel bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring,
and 1/3 of the time I fall or get stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out
how to get over them easily after many, many times trying. Soooo, what do you all

do

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when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you recommend me trying.

I'll

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practice anything if it'll help.

Thanks,

Alan McClure

Hop it. If its under 6", and i've got speed, I'll just jump the sucker.

I

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don't have a great bunny hop, its more of a lift both wheels at once clipless cheating thing, so
anything bigger than that and I do my second technique, which is basically a slow motion bunnyhop
(I've done it on logs up to approx 26"/wheelsize) -

Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle front, one

of

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the three largest rear. Rock backwards on the bike, pulling the bar with you, and get the front
wheel on the very top of the log. Try to stay forward on the bike, over the bars, when you get to
the log - if you're

too

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far back, then you'll simply run right into the log with the rear wheel

and

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fall. Ok, here's the important step - and its pretty hard to do without clipless. What you want to
do is pull up the rear wheel and put it on top of the log. At the same time, you want to throw the
front of the bike forwards and down. This is a VERY explosive move, you actually get both tires
off the ground for a bit. If you really do it well, and have enough speed, you can actually clear
the whole log this way. Usually, especially on bigger logs, you'll simply end up with the front
wheel down on the ground, and the rear wheel on top. If you had the speed perfect, and do

it

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right, then the wheel will come right off, and not even hit the top hard. If not, you can give a
very small pedal stroke and just watch your

balance.

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Here's pretty much what I'm talking about, although Charlie doesn't quite get the rear wheel all
the way on top. Give 'im some slack tho, he is in his mid 60s (and can still outpace me anyday,
the guy's an animal!) pages.prodigy.comlog.htmOpen ↗

Hope that helps.

Jon Bond

Okay, between photos 3 and 4, is he surging forward using a pedal stroke that just hasn't been
photographed, or is he just shifting his weight forward (like in a bunny hop) explosively and
letting the momentum carry him up and over. I must say, that he makes it look super easy, and yet, I
can't imagine doing it myself. That is incredible.

Alan

Alan McClure said:

So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.

Do You:

1) get off and carry your bike over
2) hop over it
3)bunny hop over it
4)Other

You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only one that consistently stumps me.
I can get over them most of the time(especially when they are smaller--heheheh), but it never feels
smooth(rear wheel bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring, and 1/3 of the time I fall or get stuck. I
am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out how to get over them easily after many, many
times trying. Soooo, what do you all do when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you recommend me
trying. I'll practice anything if it'll help.

Thanks,

Alan McClure

Do as I do not as I say.

1. Sometimes hitting the chain ring is unavoidable, sometimes desirable. I have a rock guard that I
use to balance on sometimes.

2. If possible use moderate speed. From your description it's impossible to tell the complete
situation. The following assumes you have ample time and space to use moderate speed.

3. As you approach pre-load and pop the front up onto the log. Timing and practice are critical.

4. When the front is on top of the log, push your bike (not your body) forward and down while
lifting your rear wheel off the ground. At this point your body position should be similar to
what follows. Arms extended, butt off the back of your seat and over the rear tire, feet 3 and 9
o-clock on the pedals. Your rear wheel will most likely contact the log, don't let that spook
you. Again, timing and practice are critical.

5. Done right the front should contact the ground first, use your arms as shock absorbers, whether
or not if have front suspension. As the rear wheel hits pull yourself back onto the bike in your
normal riding position.

6. Practice this technique on small logs and gradually build up to bigger ones. It may feel weird
but it's tried and true.

Now I may have left something out so remember "Do as I do not as I say"

Peace, Bill(works for me)Wheeler. The mind serves properly as a window glass rather than as a
reflector, that is, the mind should give an immediate view instead of an interpretation of
the world.
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So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is

8-12

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inches tall.

Do You:

1) get off and carry your bike over
2) hop over it
3)bunny hop over it
4)Other

You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only one

that

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consistently stumps me. I can get over them most of the

time(especially

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when they are smaller--heheheh), but it never feels smooth(rear wheel bumps), sometimes I hit
my chainring, and 1/3 of the time I fall or

get

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stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out how to

get

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over them easily after many, many times trying. Soooo, what do you

all

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do

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when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you recommend me trying.

I'll

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practice anything if it'll help.

Thanks,

Alan McClure

Hop it. If its under 6", and i've got speed, I'll just jump the sucker.

I

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don't have a great bunny hop, its more of a lift both wheels at once clipless cheating thing, so
anything bigger than that and I do my second technique, which is basically a slow motion
bunnyhop (I've done it on

logs

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up to approx 26"/wheelsize) -

Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle front, one

of

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the three largest rear. Rock backwards on the bike, pulling the bar

with

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you, and get the front wheel on the very top of the log. Try to stay forward on the bike, over
the bars, when you get to the log - if you're

too

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far back, then you'll simply run right into the log with the rear wheel

and

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fall. Ok, here's the important step - and its pretty hard to do without clipless. What you want
to do is pull up the rear wheel and put it on

top

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of the log. At the same time, you want to throw the front of the bike forwards and down. This is
a VERY explosive move, you actually get both tires off the ground for a bit. If you really do it
well, and have

enough

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speed, you can actually clear the whole log this way. Usually,

especially

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on bigger logs, you'll simply end up with the front wheel down on the ground, and the rear wheel
on top. If you had the speed perfect, and do

it

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right, then the wheel will come right off, and not even hit the top

hard.

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If not, you can give a very small pedal stroke and just watch your

balance.

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Here's pretty much what I'm talking about, although Charlie doesn't

quite

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get the rear wheel all the way on top. Give 'im some slack tho, he is

in

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his mid 60s (and can still outpace me anyday, the guy's an animal!)
pages.prodigy.comlog.htmOpen ↗

Hope that helps.

Jon Bond

Okay, between photos 3 and 4, is he surging forward using a pedal stroke that just hasn't been
photographed, or is he just shifting his weight forward (like in a bunny hop) explosively and
letting the momentum carry

him

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up and over. I must say, that he makes it look super easy, and yet, I

can't

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imagine doing it myself. That is incredible.

Alan

Its mostly just pulling up with the feet and pushing forwards and down with the bars. I can't bunny
hop for [censored], like I said, but I have no problems getting over logs, and have taught 3 of my
friends to do it (2 with clipless, one with toe clips). Its easier if you see it done, so bug your
experienced mountain biking friends!

Jon Bond

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"Alan McClure" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:dPLKa.27339$Ab2.51798@sccrnsc01...
> So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is

8-12

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> inches tall.
>
> Do You:
>
> 1) get off and carry your bike over
> 2) hop over it
> 3)bunny hop over it
> 4)Other
>
>
> You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only

one

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that

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> consistently stumps me. I can get over them most of the

time(especially

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> when they are smaller--heheheh), but it never feels smooth(rear

wheel

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> bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring, and 1/3 of the time I fall or

get

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> stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out how to

get

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> over them easily after many, many times trying. Soooo, what do you

all

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do

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> when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you recommend me trying.

I'll

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> practice anything if it'll help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alan McClure

Hop it. If its under 6", and i've got speed, I'll just jump the

sucker.

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I

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don't have a great bunny hop, its more of a lift both wheels at once clipless cheating thing,
so anything bigger than that and I do my

second

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technique, which is basically a slow motion bunnyhop (I've done it on

logs

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up to approx 26"/wheelsize) -

Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle front,

one

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of

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the three largest rear. Rock backwards on the bike, pulling the bar

with

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you, and get the front wheel on the very top of the log. Try to stay forward on the bike, over
the bars, when you get to the log - if

you're

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too

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far back, then you'll simply run right into the log with the rear

wheel

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and

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fall. Ok, here's the important step - and its pretty hard to do

without

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clipless. What you want to do is pull up the rear wheel and put it on

top

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of the log. At the same time, you want to throw the front of the bike forwards and down. This
is a VERY explosive move, you actually get

both

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tires off the ground for a bit. If you really do it well, and have

enough

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speed, you can actually clear the whole log this way. Usually,

especially

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on bigger logs, you'll simply end up with the front wheel down on the ground, and the rear
wheel on top. If you had the speed perfect, and

do

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it

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right, then the wheel will come right off, and not even hit the top

hard.

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If not, you can give a very small pedal stroke and just watch your

balance.

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Here's pretty much what I'm talking about, although Charlie doesn't

quite

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get the rear wheel all the way on top. Give 'im some slack tho, he is

in

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his mid 60s (and can still outpace me anyday, the guy's an animal!)
pages.prodigy.comlog.htmOpen ↗

Hope that helps.

Jon Bond

Okay, between photos 3 and 4, is he surging forward using a pedal stroke that just hasn't been
photographed, or is he just shifting his weight forward (like in a bunny hop) explosively and
letting the momentum carry

him

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up and over. I must say, that he makes it look super easy, and yet, I

can't

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imagine doing it myself. That is incredible.

Alan

Its mostly just pulling up with the feet and pushing forwards and down

with

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the bars. I can't bunny hop for [censored], like I said, but I have no

problems

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getting over logs, and have taught 3 of my friends to do it (2 with clipless, one with toe clips).
Its easier if you see it done, so bug your experienced mountain biking friends!

Jon Bond

I think my problem with this stunt is I cant get my [censored] over my seat! I dunno if its my seat
(Specialized BG Milano) or my post it too high, or my short legs, probably the combination of all
three. If I could get my butt back there I would probably try this. Looks like fun!

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> > So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it

is

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8-12
> > inches tall.
> >
> > Do You:
> >
> > 1) get off and carry your bike over
> > 2) hop over it
> > 3)bunny hop over it
> > 4)Other
> >
> >
> > You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only

one

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that
> > consistently stumps me. I can get over them most of the

time(especially

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> > when they are smaller--heheheh), but it never feels smooth(rear

wheel

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> > bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring, and 1/3 of the time I fall

or

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get

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> > stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out how

to

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get

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> > over them easily after many, many times trying. Soooo, what do

you

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all

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do
> > when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you recommend me

trying.

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I'll
> > practice anything if it'll help.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Alan McClure
>
> Hop it. If its under 6", and i've got speed, I'll just jump the

sucker.

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I
> don't have a great bunny hop, its more of a lift both wheels at once clipless cheating
> thing, so anything bigger than that and I do my

second

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> technique, which is basically a slow motion bunnyhop (I've done it

on

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logs

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> up to approx 26"/wheelsize) -
>
> Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle front,

one

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of
> the three largest rear. Rock backwards on the bike, pulling the bar

with

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> you, and get the front wheel on the very top of the log. Try to

stay

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> forward on the bike, over the bars, when you get to the log - if

you're

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too
> far back, then you'll simply run right into the log with the rear

wheel

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and
> fall. Ok, here's the important step - and its pretty hard to do

without

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> clipless. What you want to do is pull up the rear wheel and put it

on

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top

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> of the log. At the same time, you want to throw the front of the

bike

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> forwards and down. This is a VERY explosive move, you actually get

both

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> tires off the ground for a bit. If you really do it well, and have

enough

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> speed, you can actually clear the whole log this way. Usually,

especially

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> on bigger logs, you'll simply end up with the front wheel down on

the

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> ground, and the rear wheel on top. If you had the speed perfect,

and

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do

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it
> right, then the wheel will come right off, and not even hit the top

hard.

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> If not, you can give a very small pedal stroke and just watch your
balance.
>
> Here's pretty much what I'm talking about, although Charlie doesn't

quite

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> get the rear wheel all the way on top. Give 'im some slack tho, he

is

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in

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> his mid 60s (and can still outpace me anyday, the guy's an animal!)
> pages.prodigy.comlog.htmOpen ↗
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Jon Bond
>
>

Okay, between photos 3 and 4, is he surging forward using a pedal

stroke

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that just hasn't been photographed, or is he just shifting his weight forward (like in a bunny
hop) explosively and letting the momentum

carry

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him

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up and over. I must say, that he makes it look super easy, and yet, I

can't

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imagine doing it myself. That is incredible.

Alan

Its mostly just pulling up with the feet and pushing forwards and down

with

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the bars. I can't bunny hop for [censored], like I said, but I have no

problems

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getting over logs, and have taught 3 of my friends to do it (2 with clipless, one with toe
clips). Its easier if you see it done, so bug

your

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experienced mountain biking friends!

Jon Bond

I think my problem with this stunt is I cant get my [censored] over my seat! I dunno if its my seat
(Specialized BG Milano) or my post it too high, or my short legs, probably the combination of all
three. If I could get my butt back there I would probably try this. Looks like fun!

Try starting with your seat all the way down. If your seat is too wide for you to get behind,
period, then a narrower saddle would really help - not only in log jumping, but also steeps (I know
I get behind my saddle on a lot of trail stuff).

Oh yeah, and for everybody - watch the boyz, the seat can get kinda close if you screw up 😉

Jon Bond

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> > > So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say

it

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is

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> 8-12
> > > inches tall.
> > >
> > > Do You:
> > >
> > > 1) get off and carry your bike over
> > > 2) hop over it
> > > 3)bunny hop over it
> > > 4)Other
> > >
> > >
> > > You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the

only

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one

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> that
> > > consistently stumps me. I can get over them most of the
time(especially
> > > when they are smaller--heheheh), but it never feels smooth(rear

wheel

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> > > bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring, and 1/3 of the time I fall

or

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get
> > > stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out

how

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to

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get
> > > over them easily after many, many times trying. Soooo, what do

you

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all
> do
> > > when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you recommend me

trying.

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> I'll
> > > practice anything if it'll help.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Alan McClure
> >
> > Hop it. If its under 6", and i've got speed, I'll just jump the

sucker.

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> I
> > don't have a great bunny hop, its more of a lift both wheels at

once

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> > clipless cheating thing, so anything bigger than that and I do my

second

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> > technique, which is basically a slow motion bunnyhop (I've done it

on

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logs
> > up to approx 26"/wheelsize) -
> >
> > Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle

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getting over logs, and have taught 3 of my friends to do it (2 with clipless, one with toe
clips). Its easier if you see it done, so bug

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experienced mountain biking friends!

Jon Bond

I think my problem with this stunt is I cant get my [censored] over my seat!

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short legs, probably the combination of all three. If I could get my

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back there I would probably try this. Looks like fun!

Try starting with your seat all the way down. If your seat is too wide

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you to get behind, period, then a narrower saddle would really help - not only in log jumping, but
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Jon Bond

OOF I hear ya there. I think I need to cut my post down maybe two inches. At its LOWEST (I have an
FSR so it does have a lowest point) my knee only bends very slightly while the pedal is extended. I
find on the road, raising the seat helps, but off road, lowering it helps as well. I have plenty of
post in the tube so I can stand to lose 2 inches, and I think that even 1 inch *might* let me get my
butt back. Still, I got this seat when I was still acclimating to riding and wanted to cushion my
butt. Its more of a touring seat, I am considering asking for a Sella Italia Flite Ti Gel (one with
the taint hole) for my birthday in a few months. Any other seat recommendations?

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you to get behind, period, then a narrower saddle would really help - not

This is absolutely critical. I endoed all the time because I couldn't get my thighs around my old
BMX saddle. In fact, I would endo randomly when I wasn't pedaling and standing completely still on
the ground. I would stop at a stoplight on the way to the trail, and suddenly, I would just flip
over forwards because my saddle was too wide.

Traffic was usually amused.

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Alan McClure said:

So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.

Do You:

1) get off and carry your bike over
2) hop over it
3)bunny hop over it
4)Other

Depends on the conditions. If you're on the ~flat with a nice run-in and run-out, anything under 12"
you should just bunny hop. Bends, uphills, ruts, etc, all make hitting a log at a decent speed
difficult, in which case, it's the up-and-over described by Jon.

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My problem with this trick, is the fact that while learning it I'm almost certainly going to come a
gutser at least a couple of dozen times, and I just aint that keen on falling onto a hard log, or
off one even for that matter (strange I know)

I get the concept, I just aint got the guts to go try it out.

Trentus

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So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is

8-12

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inches tall.

Do You:

1) get off and carry your bike over
2) hop over it
3)bunny hop over it
4)Other

You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only one

that

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consistently stumps me. I can get over them most of the time(especially when they are
smaller--heheheh), but it never feels smooth(rear wheel bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring,
and 1/3 of the time I fall or get stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out
how to get over them easily after many, many times trying. Soooo, what do you all

do

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when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you recommend me trying.

I'll

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practice anything if it'll help.

Thanks,

Alan McClure

Hop it. If its under 6", and i've got speed, I'll just jump the sucker.

I

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don't have a great bunny hop, its more of a lift both wheels at once clipless cheating thing, so
anything bigger than that and I do my second technique, which is basically a slow motion bunnyhop
(I've done it on logs up to approx 26"/wheelsize) -

Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle front, one

of

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the three largest rear. Rock backwards on the bike, pulling the bar with you, and get the front
wheel on the very top of the log. Try to stay forward on the bike, over the bars, when you get to
the log - if you're

too

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far back, then you'll simply run right into the log with the rear wheel

and

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fall. Ok, here's the important step - and its pretty hard to do without clipless. What you want to
do is pull up the rear wheel and put it on top of the log. At the same time, you want to throw the
front of the bike forwards and down. This is a VERY explosive move, you actually get both tires
off the ground for a bit. If you really do it well, and have enough speed, you can actually clear
the whole log this way. Usually, especially on bigger logs, you'll simply end up with the front
wheel down on the ground, and the rear wheel on top. If you had the speed perfect, and do

it

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right, then the wheel will come right off, and not even hit the top hard. If not, you can give a
very small pedal stroke and just watch your

balance.

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Here's pretty much what I'm talking about, although Charlie doesn't quite get the rear wheel all
the way on top. Give 'im some slack tho, he is in his mid 60s (and can still outpace me anyday,
the guy's an animal!) pages.prodigy.comlog.htmOpen ↗

Hope that helps.

Jon Bond

Jons got it. Though it seems the number 4 option around here is to scrounge the woods for enoungh
sticks to build a pile over the 8" log. Please don't do this. Use Jons technique, just start small
6-8" to get the timing down then larger logs are easier. Works for big rocks too. If you get the
timing right and your 'lunge' is strong enough your chainring will clear almost anything. I've even
used it in the city for hopping up on 2 foot tall walls.

Mike

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My problem with this trick, is the fact that while learning it I'm almost certainly going to come
a gutser at least a couple of dozen times, and I just aint that keen on falling onto a hard log,
or off one even for that matter (strange I know)

I get the concept, I just aint got the guts to go try it out.

Just start small to get the timing down until it becomes committed to 'muscle memory'. Then bigger
stuff really becomes a 'no brainer'. ;^)

Mike

Well it seems that there is pretty much a concensus on how to do this. So, I'll to exactly what is
suggested, by starting with small logs, and working my way up to larger ones. I don't have trouble
with 6 inchers, so maybe, it would be good to start with them, just to get the motion down, and then
move to bigger ones. Thanks for all the advice to everyone, I'll keep you all updated when I am
finally able to clear a 6 foot tall redwood log. I'm thinking by as early as next week. :-)

Oh, by the way, if anyone on here lives out in Missouri, specifically near Columbia, MO, and
wouldn't mind riding sometime, I would enjoy it. There are of course, plenty of great trails all
over the state, as long as it hasn't rained within the past few days.

Thanks, Alan

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So, when most of you come across a log on the trail--let's say it is 8-12 inches tall.

Do You:

1) get off and carry your bike over

More often than not, yes.

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2) hop over it

Sometimes, and if it is bigger than 6-8", I catch up on my chainring and it is not a pretty sight.

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3)bunny hop over it

Only the small stuff.

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4)Other

You see, out of all the obstacles I come across, this is the only one that consistently stumps me.
I can get over them most of the time(especially when they are smaller--heheheh), but it never
feels smooth(rear wheel bumps), sometimes I hit my chainring, and 1/3 of the time I fall or get
stuck. I am so frustrated because I can't seem to figure out how to get over them easily after
many, many times trying. Soooo, what do you all do when you see a log up ahead? And, what do you
recommend me trying. I'll practice anything if it'll help.

Thanks,

Alan McClure

I gots the same problem.

-Dave

Alan McClure said:

I don't have trouble with 6 inchers, so maybe, it would be good to start with them, just to get
the motion down, and then move to bigger ones.

My nomination for 'Freudian Post of the Month' award.

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Approach log fairly slowly, but not superslow. Figure middle front, one

of

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the three largest rear. Rock backwards on the bike, pulling the bar with you, and get the front
wheel on the very top of the log.

I have seen Charlie's webpage and I remember this tip. I know that in principle, I should not need
strength to loft the front wheel. In practice I end up jerking the front up. Is there more to it?
What are your legs doing? Is your butt moving horizontally or staying in place?

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Try to stay forward on the bike, over the bars, when you get to the log - if you're

too

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far back, then you'll simply run right into the log with the rear wheel

and

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fall. Ok, here's the important step - and its pretty hard to do without clipless. What you want to
do is pull up the rear wheel and put it on top of the log. At the same time, you want to throw the
front of the bike forwards and down. This is a VERY explosive move, you actually get both tires
off the ground for a bit.

Aha! This lift the back wheel up thing I can do smoothly. I will work on doing it directly following
bring the front wheel up.

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If you really do it well, and have enough speed, you can actually clear the whole log this way.
Usually, especially on bigger logs, you'll simply end up with the front wheel down on the ground,
and the rear wheel on top. If you had the speed perfect, and do

it

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right, then the wheel will come right off, and not even hit the top hard. If not, you can give a
very small pedal stroke and just watch your

balance.

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I suspect that I approach too slow. This might be part of my problem.

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Here's pretty much what I'm talking about, although Charlie doesn't quite get the rear wheel all
the way on top. Give 'im some slack tho, he is in his mid 60s (and can still outpace me anyday,
the guy's an animal!) pages.prodigy.comlog.htmOpen ↗

Hope that helps.

Jon Bond

Thanks, -Dave

Alan McClure said:

Well it seems that there is pretty much a concensus on how to do this. So, I'll to exactly what is
suggested, by starting with small logs, and working my way up to larger ones. I don't have trouble
with 6 inchers, so maybe, it would be good to start with them, just to get the motion down, and
then move to bigger ones. Thanks for all the advice to everyone, I'll keep you all updated when I
am finally able to clear a 6 foot tall redwood log. I'm thinking by as early as next week. :-)

Oh, by the way, if anyone on here lives out in Missouri, specifically near Columbia, MO, and
wouldn't mind riding sometime, I would enjoy it. There are of course, plenty of great trails all
over the state, as long as it hasn't rained within the past few days.

Thanks, Alan

Hey Alan,

Have you done Berryman Trail recently? Would be interested to know what kind of condition it is in.

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Alan McClure said:

I don't have trouble with 6 inchers, so maybe, it
would be good to start with them, just to get the motion down, and then

move

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to bigger ones.

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Okay, I'll even second that one.

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