Get that man an 8 Freight!

"Mark McNeill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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or at least a decent set of panniers.

"Cameron's secret shoe chauffeur"

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1763537,00.html

http://tinyurl.com/r2e43

When questioned about the environmental impact of personal transport for
Mr Cameron's belongings, a Tory spokesman said: "If he could carry all
of the boxes of documents on his bike, then he would."

And a Bob Yak for his existing bike would cost a lot less than Cherie's
hairdos, so NuLabour couldn't complain...

Cheers, helen s

Jeremy Paxman pointed out how poor the cycling facilities are in London
on Newsnight last night, but I'm afraid I was barely listening because
I got the giggles after a po-faced Tory started speculating on the size
of David Cameron's box.

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:14:55 +0100, "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

"Mark McNeill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

or at least a decent set of panniers.

"Cameron's secret shoe chauffeur"

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1763537,00.html

http://tinyurl.com/r2e43

When questioned about the environmental impact of personal transport for
Mr Cameron's belongings, a Tory spokesman said: "If he could carry all
of the boxes of documents on his bike, then he would."

And a Bob Yak for his existing bike would cost a lot less than Cherie's
hairdos, so NuLabour couldn't complain...

Cheers, helen s

I think the Bob Yak although very good is overpriced. Many others
such as Zwei Plus Zwei Croozer Cargo will do the job at half the
price.

Mark McNeill said:

or at least a decent set of panniers.

"Cameron's secret shoe chauffeur"

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1763537,00.html

As I said in reply to this elsewhere:
And let's look at this stupid 'Dave the Chameleon' advert.
For the first time we get a leading politician who genuinely rides a
bike. And the likes of Two Shags, who is no racing snake, decide to
ridicule him for it.
We should be praising David Cameron for cycling at every opportunity,
independent of his political hue.
And let's look at this stupid 'Dave the Chameleon' advert.
For the first time we get a leading politician who genuinely rides a
bike. And the likes of Two Shags, who is no racing snake, decide to
ridicule him for it.
We should be praising David Cameron for cycling at every opportunity,
independent of his political hue.

Its appalling that the press ridicule David Cameron for riding a bike.
Look at the ministers and the PM from number 10 - I think they always take
limos for the short walk to Parliament.
We live in a democracy where our leaders are too afraid to walk in the
streets on a daily basis.

Ian Blake said:

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:14:55 +0100, "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

"Mark McNeill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

or at least a decent set of panniers.

"Cameron's secret shoe chauffeur"

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1763537,00.html

http://tinyurl.com/r2e43

When questioned about the environmental impact of personal transport for
Mr Cameron's belongings, a Tory spokesman said: "If he could carry all
of the boxes of documents on his bike, then he would."

And a Bob Yak for his existing bike would cost a lot less than Cherie's
hairdos, so NuLabour couldn't complain...

Cheers, helen s

I think the Bob Yak although very good is overpriced. Many others
such as Zwei Plus Zwei Croozer Cargo will do the job at half the
price.

I agree it is overpriced, but all the single wheel trailers (e.g. Monoporter) seem to be very expensive, shame as I would really like one. (I know EBC supply one, but seem to remember reading a review that said it had quite a few faults).

Bryan

Ian Blake said:

I think the Bob Yak although very good is overpriced. Many others
such as Zwei Plus Zwei Croozer Cargo will do the job at half the
price.

I'm not so sure. A two wheeled trailer isn't the same - it has separate
advantages and disadvantages. The cheap BoB copies (like the one
Edinburgh Bikes sell) are ok, but no-where near as well built. When
I saw one in the flesh I was a little disappointed.

Arthur

--
Arthur Clune

Mark McNeill said:

or at least a decent set of panniers.

"Cameron's secret shoe chauffeur"

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1763537,00.html

http://tinyurl.com/r2e43

When questioned about the environmental impact of personal transport for
Mr Cameron's belongings, a Tory spokesman said: "If he could carry all
of the boxes of documents on his bike, then he would."

I wonder when Westminster will move into the 20th Century (I'd
hate to speculate when they'd move into the 21st Century)
and start keeping these documents electronically rather than having
to cart around lumps of processed dead tree everywhere ?

Can't he keep a pair of shoes and some clean shirts in the office ?

Douglas

Mark McNeill said:

or at least a decent set of panniers.

<snip>

I have emailed Mr. Cameron and suggested an 8 Freight to him, along with
the review page in VeloVision and pointing out it's a flag-flying
British design and build...

Seeing him on one would be worth my personal loss of exclusivity points!

Pete.
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Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

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Quoted message said:

or at least a decent set of panniers.

"Cameron's secret shoe chauffeur"

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1763537,00.html

http://tinyurl.com/r2e43

When questioned about the environmental impact of personal transport for
Mr Cameron's belongings, a Tory spokesman said: "If he could carry all
of the boxes of documents on his bike, then he would."

I would also like to dispense with the chauffeur and Lexus. You just can't
get good people these days.

However the 8-Freight and other cargo bikes is of fixed length and can not
be taken on public transport. I've been looking at CarryFreedom's City and
Y-Frame trailers; the former can be taken on public transport, and the
latter can be fitted with an extra long arm for transporting long objects.
http://www.carryfreedom.com/

I mostly want to transport some sails and boat/camping stuff up to 20 km.
Since I'm looking at an hour's bike ride, and I already have a folding
Brompton bike, I'm attracted to using public transport with the folding
CarryFreedom City. I could easily make a form-fitting wood platform for it,
for carrying things you don't put in the 70 litre bag it comes with. It
would also be useful as a suitcase.

The Y-Frame can be fitted with a longer arm so I could transport things over
1m in length. It also takes 90kg, sufficient for a passenger (safety risk
yadda yadda) while the City only takes 40kg. Maybe 40kg is enough for most
purposes.

Then there is the Radical Design Cyclone trailer which looks similar to
the City, though the Radical Design website is not as informative as
CarryFreedom's is. Like the City it only takes 40kg, but again, maybe that's
enough. The Cyclone has two slots per wheel. Put the wheels in the rear
slots and it becomes a shopping stroller. Put the wheels in the front slots
and becomes a balanced bike trailer.
http://radicaldesign.nl/en/products/trailers/cyclone.html

I would be delighted to hear your opinions, and especially experiences.

--
Erik Sandblom
my site is EriksRailNews.com
for those who don't believe, no explanation is possible
for those who do, no explanation is necessary

wafflycat said:

And a Bob Yak for his existing bike would cost a lot less than Cherie's
hairdos, so NuLabour couldn't complain...

I just think it's a shame BLiar doesn't use those left over Star Trek
costumes from the Election campaign "to boldly go"

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

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wafflycat said:

And a Bob Yak for his existing bike would cost a lot less than Cherie's
hairdos, so NuLabour couldn't complain...

I just think it's a shame BLiar doesn't use those left over Star Trek
costumes from the Election campaign "to boldly go"

Where Prescott has not gone before ;-)

Cheers, helen s

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Ian Blake said:

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 11:14:55 +0100, "wafflycat"

w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com said:

"Mark McNeill" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> or at least a decent set of panniers.
>
> "Cameron's secret shoe chauffeur"
>
>

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1763537,00.html

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>
> http://tinyurl.com/r2e43
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> When questioned about the environmental impact of personal transport

for

Quoted message said:

> Mr Cameron's belongings, a Tory spokesman said: "If he could carry

all

Quoted message said:

> of the boxes of documents on his bike, then he would."
>

And a Bob Yak for his existing bike would cost a lot less than

Cherie's

Quoted message said:

hairdos, so NuLabour couldn't complain...

Cheers, helen s

I think the Bob Yak although very good is overpriced. Many others
such as Zwei Plus Zwei Croozer Cargo will do the job at half the
price.

I agree it is overpriced, but all the single wheel trailers (e.g.
Monoporter) seem to be very expensive, shame as I would really like
one. (I know EBC supply one, but seem to remember reading a review that
said it had quite a few faults).

Bryan

I am very happy with my BOB Yak trailer (it was £235 from Gearshift last
December). I had a look-see at the EBC one and I was not filled with
enthusiasm . I had the good fortune to try a BOB Yak last year, for a day,
while cycling down the Danube and was very impressed -- a simple and
effective hitch too!. Huge improvement in handling my velo without its 4
panniers!
When I get back from my 2006 Rhein/Mosel Tour ( starting in 3 weeks time) I
will tell you what I think of it after 2000 kms on the clock. So far on
training runs I am doing virtually full load runs of about 20 miles a day
and the trailer has behave impeccably.

I would not consider a two wheeled trailer at all.

Trevor A Panther
In South Yorkshire,
England, United Kingdom.

Pinky said:

I would not consider a two wheeled trailer at all.

It would be very hard for me to fit a bed on a bob yak. So that'll be a
two wheel trailer for John Prescott then.[1]

...d

[1] but who would tow it?

Douglas Steel said:

I wonder when Westminster will move into the 20th Century (I'd
hate to speculate when they'd move into the 21st Century)
and start keeping these documents electronically rather than having
to cart around lumps of processed dead tree everywhere ?

Because paper is easier to deal with in the back of a car/on
a train etc?

I'm like everyone I know and print out any big document I have
to read seriously. When display resolutions and convience get
up there with paper then I'll change. I think that will take
at least 5 years.

Arthur

--
Arthur Clune

Arthur Clune said:

Because paper is easier to deal with in the back of a car/on
a train etc?

I'm like everyone I know and print out any big document I have
to read seriously. When display resolutions and convience get
up there with paper then I'll change. I think that will take
at least 5 years.

And not even then. Paper like displays are already available (see e-Ink
for example) but they lack the ability to flick through and turn over
pages. Think of finding a passage you are looking for in a book. You
can flick through the pages to roughly the right place and then search
by context. Trying to do that, or flick between pages to compare parts
of a document, or even scribble notes on the margin just isn't there
with electronic media.

I do the same as Arthur.

--
Tony

"The best way I know of to win an argument is to start by being in the
right."
- Lord Hailsham

Tony Raven said:

Arthur Clune said:

Because paper is easier to deal with in the back of a car/on
a train etc?

I'm like everyone I know and print out any big document I have
to read seriously. When display resolutions and convience get
up there with paper then I'll change. I think that will take
at least 5 years.

And not even then. Paper like displays are already available (see e-Ink
for example) but they lack the ability to flick through and turn over
pages. Think of finding a passage you are looking for in a book. You
can flick through the pages to roughly the right place and then search
by context. Trying to do that, or flick between pages to compare parts
of a document, or even scribble notes on the margin just isn't there
with electronic media.

I do the same as Arthur.

<aol>

Print to read. You don't need to lug a big screen/laptop around. You
can stuff it happily into panniers etc as you wish. No batteries to run
down.

And much less eye strain. I like to be able to read the whole page at
hi res. No screen is good enough for that yet.

...d

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Quoted message said:

Arthur Clune said:

Because paper is easier to deal with in the back of a car/on
a train etc?

I'm like everyone I know and print out any big document I have
to read seriously. When display resolutions and convience get
up there with paper then I'll change. I think that will take
at least 5 years.

And not even then. Paper like displays are already available (see e-Ink
for example) but they lack the ability to flick through and turn over
pages. Think of finding a passage you are looking for in a book. You
can flick through the pages to roughly the right place and then search
by context. Trying to do that, or flick between pages to compare parts
of a document, or even scribble notes on the margin just isn't there
with electronic media.

Usually a passage will have a certain word you can search for. That's
quicker. Adobe Acrobat and most word processors have features for "scribble
comments/notes".

Both have their advantages and disadvantages.

--
Erik Sandblom
my site is EriksRailNews.com
for those who don't believe, no explanation is possible
for those who do, no explanation is necessary

Arthur Clune said:

Douglas Steel said:

I wonder when Westminster will move into the 20th Century (I'd
hate to speculate when they'd move into the 21st Century)
and start keeping these documents electronically rather than having
to cart around lumps of processed dead tree everywhere ?

Because paper is easier to deal with in the back of a car/on
a train etc?

Yes, but he's not reading them on his bike is he (I hope) ?

Quoted message said:

I'm like everyone I know and print out any big document I have
to read seriously. When display resolutions and convience get
up there with paper then I'll change. I think that will take
at least 5 years.

I totally agree, I do that too - but does he really need to transport
a big box of papers back and forwards everyday ?

Suerely he could just print off the few he needs to read
when he needs to read them, rather than have a Lexus follow him
with everything you might need just in case.

With a bit of planning and thought (and a printer at home and in
the office) this should be straightforward.

Douglas

Douglas Steel said:

I wonder when Westminster will move into the 20th Century (I'd
hate to speculate when they'd move into the 21st Century)
and start keeping these documents electronically rather than having
to cart around lumps of processed dead tree everywhere ?

Ones cover-ups are MUCH more likely to succeed with a shred'n burn
policy. Electronic copies always seem to leave incriminating copies of
themselves...